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Mr Spock said:
What kind of a game do you guys think the final would be if we had our three key centres and the Bäckström incident did'nt rock us just before the game? And I'm not saying that Canada was a worthy winner, to boot.
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Exact same result
 
Mr Spock said:
What kind of a game do you guys think the final would be if we had our three key centres and the Bäckström incident did'nt rock us just before the game? And I'm not saying that Canada was a worthy winner, to boot.
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So you're saying canada did not deserve to win? LOL. What would have happened was Price would have had to actually make a few tough saves but Canada still would of steamrolled them. Even if Sweden had all their players healthy they still dont match up good with Canada on paper, that defense is just too good,
 
Rendole said:
So you're saying canada did not deserve to win? LOL. What would have happened was Price would have had to actually make a few tough saves but Canada still would of steamrolled them. Even if Sweden had all their players healthy they still dont match up good with Canada on paper, that defense is just too good,
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I'm gonna go ahead and guess that that sentence was lost in translation.
 
That is a huge difference in puck possession-capability for Team Sweden. I'd say it would actually be an entertaining game, but Canada stepped up in that game and played a very dominant two-way game. The end result would have been the same, a silver.
 
Daniel Sedin, Erik Karlsson, Phil Kessel, Patrick Kane, Joe Pavelski, Thomas Vanek, Teemu Selanne.

Those are just some of the names of players that were completely shut down by Team Canada.

Losing their top 3 centers was definitely a big blow to Team Sweden, but considering how other players with equal or better offensive skill were unable to penetrate the Canadian defense, I find it highly unlikely that they'd change the score by 3+ goals.
 
Between St. Louis and Kunitz...


I'd like to know what the games would have looked like if Stamkos was the one getting the scoring chances..
 
MastuhNinks said:
Daniel Sedin, Erik Karlsson, Phil Kessel, Patrick Kane, Joe Pavelski, Thomas Vanek, Teemu Selanne.

Those are just some of the names of players that were completely shut down by Team Canada.

Losing their top 3 centers was definitely a big blow to Team Sweden, but considering how other players with equal or better offensive skill were unable to penetrate the Canadian defense, I find it highly unlikely that they'd change the score by 3+ goals.
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Sedin's been shutdown the whole 2014 year by every defense pairing he's played against.
 
Obviously the general consensus is that Sedins, Zetterbergsand Bäckströms precence would be irrelevant and mean nothing against the hockey empire. Ok, case closed, lets move on.
 
If we're gonna start to play the "if" game with the injuries then Finland with all healthy centers would have been playing against Canada in the final.
 
Jussi said:
If we're gonna start to play the "if" game with the injuries then Finland with all healthy centers would have been playing against Canada in the final.
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If Tuuka Rask wasn't sick, Finland would have been in the final.
 
Mr Spock said:
Obviously the general consensus is that Sedins, Zetterbergsand Bäckströms precence would be irrelevant and mean nothing against the hockey empire. Ok, case closed, lets move on.
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Would Sweden had a better team on paper than the one on the ice? yes.

Would it have mattered? Given Canada's dominance leading up the game, most likely not.
 
Mr Spock said:
What kind of a game do you guys think the final would be if we had our three key centres and the Bäckström incident did'nt rock us just before the game? And I'm not saying that Canada was a worthy winner, to boot.
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If Swedes were all healthy, and Canada had Stamkos and Tavares, i still see Canada winning. The US- was fully healthy and i thought they were as good or a better team on paper than Sweden. Canada shut them down as well. This is the best defensive team i ever seen play for Canada. Nothing was going to stop them. Also- if Rask was not sick, Finland could have been in the final as well. You can't play the "IF" game my friend. If Canada had Kariya, Sakic or Lemieux in 1998, i thought they could have beaten the Czechs. "If" the Swedes did not intentionally try to avoid Canada in the 2006 QF's by losing against the Slovaks, i thought Canada matched up better on paper against them then the Russians. If Canada had Kariya, Lemieux, Bourque, Macinnes, Francis, or Patrick Roy- they could have used those guys to beat the US in the 1996 World Cup. This accomplishes nothing. Congrats on the Silver. Canada was just too good in the end. The best defense i have ever seen play for Canada.
 
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vector209 said:
Come on... Give Sweden some credit. It would be a lot closer than that.

6-1 Canada.
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I would rather ask, what would the score and the game look like if Sweden had Backstrom, Zetterberg, H.Sedin and Franzen AND Canada Tavares and Stamkos. That sounds fair to me.

We can speculate all we want, but in my honest opinion, I think Canada would be the clear winner again.

We won 3-0 and we totally controlled the game, Swedish players looked totally lost. They tried to do something in the third period, but how many saves did Price have in the last 20 minutes ?....I think 3 or 5.

Our team would be definitely much stronger offensively with Tavares and mainly Stamkos, and in addition to that, we just dominated the tournament defensively. I have said this many times, this team played the best defensive hockey I've ever seen. The back-checking, defensive play, forechecking..... The opposite team didn't score more than 1 goal in a game against us. Price didn't allowed a single goal in the two most important games of the tournament.

So, to summ up, with Stamkos, Tavares, and H.Sedin, Zetterberg, Backstrom, I really don't think that the final result would be any different. Maybe 4-1. Maybe 5-2. Maybe 3-1. But we would still win.

Actually, it could have been 5-0 or 5-1 even this time.
 
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While we're playing the 'what if' game, what if Canada had their best 3 offensive players not named Sidney Crosby in the line up? I'm talking about Steven Stamkos, John Tavares and Claude Giroux of course.
 
TonsofPuppies said:
While we're playing the 'what if' game, what if Canada had their best 3 offensive players not named Sidney Crosby in the line up? I'm talking about Steven Stamkos, John Tavares and Claude Giroux of course.
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While these players are probably better then the swed trio it don't really dissmiss the fact that Sweden is more vurnerable by the fact that sweden don't have the depth that Canada has and missing your best three centers is just to much for Sweden. Canada would probably win still, but it would be a better game if they were there.
 
This is why I always get a nice chuckle out of "best on best" comments. Teams are very rarely ever at their very "best" and certainly every team will not be.
 
Mr Spock said:
What kind of a game do you guys think the final would be if we had our three key centres and the Bäckström incident did'nt rock us just before the game? And I'm not saying that Canada was a worthy winner, to boot.
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Overtime thriller.

Kunitz with the snipe for the golden goal.:)
 
Kresnik said:
While these players are probably better then the swed trio it don't really dissmiss the fact that Sweden is more vurnerable by the fact that sweden don't have the depth that Canada has and missing your best three centers is just to much for Sweden. Canada would probably win still, but it would be a better game if they were there.
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If I had it my way, both teams would have been fully healthy and picked properly (- Kunitz, + Giroux). It would have made for a much more exciting final. However, I still think Canada would have won. You could make the argument that a fully healthy Sweden is about on par with the US as far as the forwards go and Canada's smothering defending gave them fits. By the GMG, it just seemed like Canada's skaters were machines and nothing would deny them a victory.

I don't think it should just be dismissed that Sweden was missing a lot up front, but if we're going to play the "what if" game, I just think it should be done for both sides equally.
 
It's a bit closer, but Sweden was pretty thoroughly outplayed for the final 50 minutes. Maybe a different score but very likely the same result.
 
TonsofPuppies said:
While we're playing the 'what if' game, what if Canada had their best 3 offensive players not named Sidney Crosby in the line up? I'm talking about Steven Stamkos, John Tavares and Claude Giroux of course.
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Add Couture to that list, he would have been on the team if not for hand injury!
 
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