Value of: A Radko Gudas+Anthony Duclair package.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Now I believe Florida should be buy because Montreal has their 1st and I doubt they want to risk Montreal getting Bedard because of them.

But they look like sellers and I have no doubt Radko Gudas will find himself on a contender.

But I wonder if there is a contender out there that would try to pull off a package deal for Gudas and Duclair.

I know Duclair is hurt but will be back before the deadline and he's got top 6 skill we know that.

This strikes me as the type of move Tampa would make although I do wonder if Florida would want to do a deal with their state rival.

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[TheImpatientPanther]

A 1st + 2nd + good prospect for both.

Gudas retained + Duclair.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Gudas is garbage. I am sure there is a market for him because he hits people but he is terrible at hockey and is basically a #7 dman at this point of his career. I think his value is probably a 3rd round pick only due to reputation and GM's thinking he helps them in the playoffs.

Duclair is interesting. Had a great year last year, but hasn't played a game this year. When you look at players like Nylander and how they struggle coming in halfway through a season, I don't expect him to replicate last season. So I think this is a good idea for the Panthers to sell high on him if they can, but I personally wouldn't pay that price.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

A 1st + 2nd + good prospect for both.

Gudas retained + Duclair.

Uh.....

I dont think so brother.

 

[majormajor]

Duclair is a good player but won't be a deadline target because of his play style and playoff history. Including his salary just makes it harder for teams to add Gudas. Gudas is more likely a 2nd round return.

 

[Kaen]

A 1st + 2nd + good prospect for both.

Gudas retained + Duclair.

That is wildly optimistic. I know Gudas is the type of D that GM's overpay for come deadline time, but in no way is he worth either a 1st or 2nd + good prospect. I would also be pretty surprised if Duclair returned that sort of value without coming back and showing he is definitely 100%.

As for OP, it's much more likely that they get moved separately. I know most people would rather get one higher value asset by combining the two, but that generally isn't how buying GM's operate. Not impossible, just highly improbable.

 

[banks]

Gudas is garbage. I am sure there is a market for him because he hits people but he is terrible at hockey and is basically a #7 dman at this point of his career. I think his value is probably a 3rd round pick only due to reputation and GM's thinking he helps them in the playoffs.

Duclair is interesting. Had a great year last year, but hasn't played a game this year. When you look at players like Nylander and how they struggle coming in halfway through a season, I don't expect him to replicate last season. So I think this is a good idea for the Panthers to sell high on him if they can, but I personally wouldn't pay that price.

Took the words right out of my keyboard.

Gudas is garbage. I think some fans get a distorted opinion of him because he's been valuable in fantasy hockey with hits and penalties. Not sure what the excuse is for actual NHL GMs. But this guy is a waste of a roster spot.

He used to get suspended for a few games a year. And it seems to me like he enjoyed getting the time off, because now he's managed to get himself healthy scratched a few games a year. Gudas takes bad penalties, not even just tough-guy stuff. I think he's had only one fight this season, but still gets 1.5 PIM per game. Those aren't because he's unstoppable physically, they're because he can't keep up physically. So he gets a bunch of minor penalties.

Florida is only playing him 18+ minutes a game because they miss having a real physical difference maker in Weegar, and they constantly have to justify giving 2.5 million to Gudas.

 

[FinlandPanther]

If you think Gudas is garbage you should just say instead: “I don’t watch hockey”

 

[Fogelhund]

Now I believe Florida should be buy because Montreal has their 1st and I doubt they want to risk Montreal getting Bedard because of them.

But they look like sellers and I have no doubt Radko Gudas will find himself on a contender.

But I wonder if there is a contender out there that would try to pull off a package deal for Gudas and Duclair.

I know Duclair is hurt but will be back before the deadline and he's got top 6 skill we know that.

This strikes me as the type of move Tampa would make although I do wonder if Florida would want to do a deal with their state rival.

Who are you putting on waivers to accommodate Gudas? Benn or Timmins?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Took the words right out of my keyboard.

Gudas is garbage. I think some fans get a distorted opinion of him because he's been valuable in fantasy hockey with hits and penalties. Not sure what the excuse is for actual NHL GMs. But this guy is a waste of a roster spot.

He used to get suspended for a few games a year. And it seems to me like he enjoyed getting the time off, because now he's managed to get himself healthy scratched a few games a year. Gudas takes bad penalties, not even just tough-guy stuff. I think he's had only one fight this season, but still gets 1.5 PIM per game. Those aren't because he's unstoppable physically, they're because he can't keep up physically. So he gets a bunch of minor penalties.

Florida is only playing him 18+ minutes a game because they miss having a real physical difference maker in Weegar, and they constantly have to justify giving 2.5 million to Gudas.

Doesn't half the league have a Gudas like player?
Hits and blocks shots, willing to fight but isn't great at it.
Very limited offensively and plays 14-18 minutes a game?

He doesn't head hunt like he used to. He lays clean old time hits in open ice or at blue line to keep players humble and honest.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who are you putting on waivers to accommodate Gudas? Benn or Timmins?

First off I didn't even mention the Leafs in this thread, although yes I do want another D man, and I have always liked Gudas and would absolutely take him here.

2nd you don't need to waive anybody there are lots of teams with 8 or 9 D and they use them all come playoff time because they have to because guys play with injury they shouldn't play with but they do.

 

[Fogelhund]

First off I didn't even mention the Leafs in this thread, although yes I do want another D man, and I have always liked Gudas and would absolutely take him here.

2nd you don't need to waive anybody there are lots of teams with 8 or 9 D and they use them all come playoff time because they have to because guys play with injury they shouldn't play with but they do.

So you don’t understand the roster size rules then?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So you don’t understand the roster size rules then?

You have been very insistent that bringing in 1 more D man means somebody has to go and It's simply not true.

 

[Fogelhund]

You have been very insistent that bringing in 1 more D man means somebody has to go and It's simply not true.

. You don't get to keep as many people as you want on the roster, it's a maximum of 23. You can't just keep adding bodies, the max is still 23. If you add bodies, some must get sent down, and in this case, none of the D are waiver exempt. So you bringing on more depth, doesn't add more depth, it likely just changes who that depth are, as in all probability Benn and Timmins would get claimed, so suddenly, we don't have more depth... you've wasted assets on a marginal upgrade on depth... that's not very intelligent.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Duclair is returning from a surgery on his Achilles tendon, don't think his value is going to be nearly as high as what I've seen in here.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Duclair is returning from a surgery on his Achilles tendon, don't think his value is going to be nearly as high as what I've seen in here.

I agree and that's another thing that makes me wonder about this, will a contender like a Tampa see a chance to get a cost controlled asset who has top 6 skill for cheap and try to take advantage.

Because if it works you got a 20-30 goal guy for 3 million next year.

If it doesn't It's only 1 year

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Duclair is a good player but won't be a deadline target because of his play style and playoff history. Including his salary just makes it harder for teams to add Gudas. Gudas is more likely a 2nd round return.

His salary is why I think he could be a target.

20-30 goal guy for 3 million with another year.

You have to think There would be interest in that

 

[Dabeast]

I think Gudas is the poster child for this phenomenon where since guys who hit and don't provide a ton of offensive output have for a long time been overvalued by hockey guys, there has been this pushback where people assume that anybody who plays like that is just bad and is only employed because they can hit, even if it's not true. If guys like Chiarot, Edmundson, and Klingberg can be talked about, or even get, 1st round picks, there is no reason Gudas shouldn't be able to fetch that.

Took the words right out of my keyboard.

Gudas is garbage. I think some fans get a distorted opinion of him because he's been valuable in fantasy hockey with hits and penalties. Not sure what the excuse is for actual NHL GMs. But this guy is a waste of a roster spot.

He used to get suspended for a few games a year. And it seems to me like he enjoyed getting the time off, because now he's managed to get himself healthy scratched a few games a year. Gudas takes bad penalties, not even just tough-guy stuff. I think he's had only one fight this season, but still gets 1.5 PIM per game. Those aren't because he's unstoppable physically, they're because he can't keep up physically. So he gets a bunch of minor penalties.

Florida is only playing him 18+ minutes a game because they miss having a real physical difference maker in Weegar, and they constantly have to justify giving 2.5 million to Gudas.

This has never happened?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think Gudas is the poster child for this phenomenon where since guys who hit and don't provide a ton of offensive output have for a long time been overvalued by hockey guys, there has been this pushback where people assume that anybody who plays like that is just bad and is only employed because they can hit, even if it's not true. If guys like Chiarot, Edmundson, and Klingberg can be talked about, or even get, 1st round picks, there is no reason Gudas shouldn't be able to fetch that.


This has never happened?

Gudas will get something but not a 1st,the level of talent available is to much for him to get a 1st

 

[Dabeast]

Gudas will get something but not a 1st,the level of talent available is to much for him to get a 1st

I'm not saying he will get a 1st, but he's far better than the names I mentioned above who have either gotten, or been rumored to be getting 1sts, and he still brings the physicality and defensive ability and all that other crap gms love come deadline time

 

[Breakers]

Considering the new draft lottery rules they won’t get low enough.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Gudas will get something but not a 1st,the level of talent available is to much for him to get a 1st

Alone probably not, no. But if you did package him with Duclair, that you’d need a team who could need and fit both players (which is the hard part), but they’d absolutely fetch a first together.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Considering the new draft lottery rules they won’t get low enough.

They only need to get to the bottom 10.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Gudas is garbage. I am sure there is a market for him because he hits people but he is terrible at hockey and is basically a #7 dman at this point of his career. I think his value is probably a 3rd round pick only due to reputation and GM's thinking he helps them in the playoffs.

Duclair is interesting. Had a great year last year, but hasn't played a game this year. When you look at players like Nylander and how they struggle coming in halfway through a season, I don't expect him to replicate last season. So I think this is a good idea for the Panthers to sell high on him if they can, but I personally wouldn't pay that price.

Panthers fans will debate and tell you that Gouda’s is a top 4 dman on any NHL team.

 

[Czechboy]

Oilers would benefit from him big time! If he sucks and it backfires, he's UFA too. However, I thiink he'd imporove our D core. We need 2 guys realistically and he'd be the less expensive one.