A lost generation

[JackSlater]

[MOD]

A reasonable person notices the players didn't negotiate Olympic participation in the current CBA despite having done so previously (who cares if you're willing to go do something you want to and your employees doesn't want to give you the time off and you didn't negotiate for it when you had previously...to me that sounds like you're stupid, not hard done by); IMO supporting the players as innocent is asinine

You haven't given a reason why the players are to blame, just a firm lack of reasoning and consistency. The players didn't negotiate in the CBA to participate in 2014, and yet they still went. What has changed? The players are still willing to go. The owners are not willing. If they went last time and the position of the players didn't change, then the players are not the reason that NHL participation has ceased. The owners changed (in part initially due to the IOC) position, which is why participation is ending. Blaming the players for not forcing the NHL to participate is so obviously ridiculous that it's hard to believe anyone is gullible enough to do so.

Both A and B must agree to X for X to happen. A agrees to X. B does not agree to X. Who is to blame for X not happening? Obviously B. It makes literally no sense to say that A is to blame because it didn't force B.

 

[Nino33]

Both A and B must agree to X for X to happen. A agrees to X. B does not agree to X. Who is to blame for X not happening? Obviously B. It makes literally no sense to say that A is to blame because it didn't force B.

Logically it seems to me B is the employer, and A is wanting to do something on the employers time and wants the employer to cover the costs and alter their business opporations to accommodate A, and the employer said no...seems reasonable to me as A has no "right" to their request/desire

Every effort you make to explain yourself IMO shows how you're just logically wrong and wanting to blame someone that you don't get what you want

And I didn't blame the players over the owners, as I didn't make it an "either/or" argument, that's what you did...I simply disagreed with the idea the players were blameless

I think all involved are responsible, but since I don't care whether the NHL participates in the Olympics or not (fine if they do, no big deal if they don't) I personally don't really have a need to "blame" anyone


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[JackSlater]

Logically it seems to me B is the employer, and A is wanting to do something on the employers time and wants the employer to cover the costs and alter their business opporations to accommodate A, and the employer said no...seems reasonable to me as A has no "right" to their request/desire

Every effort you make to explain yourself IMO shows how you're just logically wrong and wanting to blame someone that you don't get what you want

Ignoring the factually wrong aspect of the situation you describe (the NHL is not expected to cover the costs) you are not focusing on what was said. You seem to believe that the players have no right to play. That is a different matter than who is to blame for the NHL not participating. You've already deviated from claiming that the NHL's offer was legitimate to claiming that the players are to blame to now saying that the players had no right in the first place to even want to go, so I expect that further deviation will come from you, probably backed up with lots of "IMO" and "I think" but with little evidence.

You haven't shown that my thinking is wrong, you've just shown a willful ignorance to the situation and an inability to accept what is obvious to most. Very simply:

The players want to go.

The owners don't want to go.

Therefore, the reason that the NHL is not participating is the owners.

If you want to blame the IOC as well then that is perfectly reasonable, but the players haven't changed their position from 2014, when the NHL did participate. The change is in the owners.

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[syc]

Logically it seems to me B is the employer, and A is wanting to do something on the employers time and wants the employer to cover the costs and alter their business opporations to accommodate A, and the employer said no...seems reasonable to me as A has no "right" to their request/desire

I agree 100% with you but NHL fans have come to embrace the socialist mindset and with that you get more entitlement.

The solution is for the IIHF to create a real world cup that will take place in the offseason. Will that happen? Probably when all parties come to the realization that best on best is whats best for hockey.

Unfortunately it might not happen until Bettman retires.