Value of: A few Sabres

[dkollidas]

Buffalo needs to change their room. But they may not move a “core guy”. Instead they may move multiple guys who have been around through all this losing.

Girgensons. Larsson. McCabe. Lehner.

-What could these guys get in a trade from your team?

I’ll also throw in Nylander. He wasn’t Botterill’s guy and he could be in the block for a decent return.

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[dasaybz]

McCabe and Nylander I hold on to. The rest probably wouldn't get more than a 4th rounder.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I will give you Habs second round pick (38th) and Mccaron for Mccabe

 

[dkollidas]

McCabe and Nylander I hold on to. The rest probably wouldn't get more than a 4th rounder.

I understand that. I’d just like to make a move for a guy who’s in his early(22-23) to mid 20’s (24-25) for one of those two who can change up the room a bit.

Or what kind of player does a combo of Nylander and McCabe get us? Just curious what other teams think these guys are worth.

 

[Hockeyholic]

What is McCabes upside? If it's a stud top four, could he be had for Elias Lindholm?

 

[dkollidas]

What is McCabes upside? If it's a stud top four, could he be had for Hampus Lindholm?

Are you sure you’ve got the correct Lindholm? Anaheim’s Lindholm?

And regarding McCabe’s upside, I would say he still has the ability to become a #4. But I see him being a #5 on a really good team.

 

[57special]

I understand that. I’d just like to make a move for a guy who’s in his early(22-23) to mid 20’s (24-25) for one of those two who can change up the room a bit.

Or what kind of player does a combo of Nylander and McCabe get us? Just curious what other teams think these guys are worth.

I dunno, what is the market for two supposedly talented but disappointing (so far) players? Probably one, or two equally enigmatic players/prospects.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Are you sure you’ve got the correct Lindholm? Anaheim’s Lindholm?

And regarding McCabe’s upside, I would say he still has the ability to become a #4. But I see him being a #5 on a really good team.

Meant Elias. My bad.

 

[Meeqs]

You will get close to nothing for these guys, other than players in similar positions to swap for a "change of scenery". Every team has players like that and they are easily replicable.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

2019 3rd rounder for Girgensons? How much has his value fallen off?

 

[I Like Eich]

Buffalo needs to change their room. But they may not move a “core guy”. Instead they may move multiple guys who have been around through all this losing.

Girgensons. Larsson. McCabe. Lehner.

-What could these guys get in a trade from your team?

I’ll also throw in Nylander. He wasn’t Botterill’s guy and he could be in the block for a decent return.

Girgensons and Larsson are both worth very little at this point.
I can't see anybody giving up any type of asset just for Lehner's RFA rights, either.

If we wanted to move McCabe, we'd probably be looking for a pick and prospect. I'd rather hold onto him though, if we can build a solid top-4 ahead of him, he could thrive in a 5/6 role. He's still young, has a lot of NHL exp. already, on a good contract, with RFA status still after next season. I'd prefer to keep him

 

[dkollidas]

You will get close to nothing for these guys, other than players in similar positions to swap for a "change of scenery". Every team has players like that and they are easily replicable.

So do you have any offers from your team? Sometimes a change of scenery is exactly what those type of players need. And that’s exactly why I brought it up. Who are those guys on other teams across the league.

 

[dkollidas]

2019 3rd rounder for Girgensons? How much has his value fallen off?

Not bad. I was also thinking of moving him for a more veteran type player ala Hagelin? Maybe Buffalo adds a pick? Allows Pittsburgh to save some cap space.

 

[Bazeek]

I understand that. I’d just like to make a move for a guy who’s in his early(22-23) to mid 20’s (24-25) for one of those two who can change up the room a bit.

Or what kind of player does a combo of Nylander and McCabe get us? Just curious what other teams think these guys are worth.

This is Minnesota-centric of me, but the first comparable that comes to mind for Nylander is Niederreiter: both highly-drafted forwards that have been disappointing early on. The big difference is that the Islanders' handling of Nino prompted him to request a trade whereas Nylander doesn't have that push factor. Still, if you remove Nylander's draft position it's hard to justify giving up more than something like an okay-ish RFA forward + a 3rd. I know Buffalo's looking to improve it's bottom-6, but that doesn't seem like an ideal way to do it.

McCabe might be attractive to a team that already has a decent blueline but needs an inexpensive #4/5 LD. It's hard to bank on him getting a whole lot better than he has been, but he's only played like ~200-ish games on a struggling team so a change of scenery might do him some good. Again though, an okay-ish middle-6 forward is probably about what you'd expect to get back.

I'm not sure that they're guys you can package together to get a better piece back... Maybe a team like New Jersey would have interest in both? Or the Islanders? Or Carolina if they traded Hanifin? Dunno.

 

[I Like Eich]

2019 3rd rounder for Girgensons? How much has his value fallen off?

Probably a fair offer imo (a future middle-of-the draft pick).
His ceiling looks quite a bit lower than when he was drafted 14th OV... the offense just doesn't appear to be there. He's not worth a 2nd at all imo

 

[Meeqs]

So do you have any offers from your team? Sometimes a change of scenery is exactly what those type of players need. And that’s exactly why I brought it up. Who are those guys on other teams across the league.

I'd guess generally a mid 3rd or 4th would be the most common move.

 

[dkollidas]

I'd guess generally a mid 3rd or 4th would be the most common move.

Your value is probably close if not right on, but I’m looking more for roster player or prospect ideas as opposed to picks.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

This is Minnesota-centric of me, but the first comparable that comes to mind for Nylander is Niederreiter: both highly-drafted forwards that have been disappointing early on. The big difference is that the Islanders' handling of Nino prompted him to request a trade whereas Nylander doesn't have that push factor. Still, if you remove Nylander's draft position it's hard to justify giving up more than something like an okay-ish RFA forward + a 3rd. I know Buffalo's looking to improve it's bottom-6, but that doesn't seem like an ideal way to do it.

McCabe might be attractive to a team that already has a decent blueline but needs an inexpensive #4/5 LD. It's hard to bank on him getting a whole lot better than he has been, but he's only played like ~200-ish games on a struggling team so a change of scenery might do him some good. Again though, an okay-ish middle-6 forward is probably about what you'd expect to get back.

I'm not sure that they're guys you can package together to get a better piece back... Maybe a team like New Jersey would have interest in both? Or the Islanders? Or Carolina if they traded Hanifin? Dunno.

The scenario you've described for McCabe sort of sounds like Anaheim, where we have our top 4 set in stone but only some young D after that who have yet to truly establish themselves. We could use a #5 type and probably wouldn't want to spend heavily to do so, as we do have some intriguing options on the doorstep.

Maybe an inexpensive free agent could be found, but I really don't like our GM's track record signing veteran free agent D.

 

[57special]

It's a giant red flag that a D poor team like BUF wants to trade a young Dman like McCabe.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I as a Sabers fan say its not time to trade McCabe. Its a dumb move. We need defence, and the kid looked great and had one meh year. You don't just throw the towel in on a guy with one bad season. He stepped up his game in college. He stepped up his game in the AHL. And he stepped up his game 2 years ago in the NHL. There's a long list of players that need to be moved before you should even start worrying about McCabe.

 

[dkollidas]

It's a giant red flag that a D poor team like BUF wants to trade a young Dman like McCabe.

Well here’s my thing. I wouldn’t mind adding a defenseman, but I think that we have one group of guys who are “keepers”.

Scandella, Ristolainen, Guhle, And Dahlin are guys we plan on having here for the next 5+years (maybe excluding Scandella).

Then we have a group that we don’t want, Bogosian & Bealieu. Beaulieu might get us something truly minimal in a trade, but Bogosian with his injuries and cap hit won’t be able to be moved (and might be too injured to even buyout).

Then we have a tweeter group. That includes
Lawrence Pilut, 22yr old puck-mover, who won the best defenseman award in the SHL last year).

Will Borgen (college D-man who will start in Rochester, but has top-4 upside).

Casey Nelson, Who seems to be a late bloomer at 25 and looked really solid in Housley’s uptempo system when he came up last year.

And McCabe, who had a solid 16-17, but was derailed this past season with injuries.

So between the 4 we want to keep, the 2 we’re likely stuck with, and the 4 we’re not totally sure of, that’s 10 total defenseman. Scandella, Ristolainen (in my opinion), Dahlin, And Guhle will be in Buffalo. Nelson just signed a one way deal, he’ll be here. At least one of Beaulieu and Bogosian will be in Buffalo in the final 23. That’s 6. Borgen will be in Rochester. Pilut isn’t getting moved. If they want to change their “culture”, which we’ve heard about, bringing in a mid-low level free agent to be a 6th or 7th guy is an option, and that leaves McCabe as the odd man out.

 

[Chainshot]

It's a giant red flag that a D poor team like BUF wants to trade a young Dman like McCabe.

The team doesn't but, some fans do. The GM is on record talking about the difference a healthy McCabe (and don't laugh) a healthy Bogosian will make as a second pairing for the Sabres going forward. That was before winning the Dahlin Derby.

 

[Gabrielor]

What is McCabes upside? If it's a stud top four, could he be had for Elias Lindholm?

I'd do that deal, dk about Canes fans.

 

[tsujimoto74]

2019 3rd rounder for Girgensons? How much has his value fallen off?

Buffalo doesn't have the depth to move an NHL player for picks. Guys like Girgensons and McCabe only make sense as trade pieces if it's a change of scenery type swap.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Buffalo doesn't have the depth to move an NHL player for picks. Guys like Girgensons and McCabe only make sense as trade pieces if it's a change of scenery type swap.

Makes sense... I don’t think I have anyone that we’d move for Girgensons as a change of scenery move. Caggiula maybe but I’d want a decent sized add.