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Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick: Pavel Zacha

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DatBoyJPP said:
There's no loophole needed. If he's bought out from Europe then he doesn't apply to the CHL rules and would be AHL eligible
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good. He needs to play against men+is far far too big to play in the juniors. He won't learn anything from shoving people out of his way and steamrolling down the ice unopposed
 
i'm gonna be pretty worried if Zacha makes the team. He needs to go back to Juniors for sure, given his suspensions last year, he needs to have a clean season. i could care less about him being bigger than the other players, he'll grow and get stronger while in an easier league
 
Zubrus Coffee Maker said:
i'm gonna be pretty worried if Zacha makes the team. He needs to go back to Juniors for sure, given his suspensions last year, he needs to have a clean season. i could care less about him being bigger than the other players, he'll grow and get stronger while in an easier league
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I mean, I don't have a problem with someone arguing he needs to go back another year, but to use his suspensions as the reason why is....well yea :laugh:
 
I just want to see this kid put up 6th overall pick numbers where ever he plays next year. I would rather see him develop his offensive skill playing huge minutes in juniors. I mean the kid has only played in North America for 40 games or something like that, we have no reason to rush him.
 
According to this interview (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=774807&navid=nhl:topheads) Pavel believes that if he does not make the NHL team, he will play in Sarnia. So either he is sure of it or he is as confused as we are.

Another point on his scoring last year in juniors, I believe they were low because he was adjusting to a two-way style of play as opposed to being a purely offensive player. He said he watched Getzlaf and that he wants to focus on his defensive ability, so I am not worried about his numbers at all.
 
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/j...which-could-have-ripple-effect-042557619.html

The timing and the means by which the Swift Current Broncos officially lost Julius Honka to the Dallas Stars organization goes beyond the typical breaks of the major junior game, though. Since Honka was ruled to be on loan while he played with the Western Hockey League team last season, that exempts him from the NHL-Canadian Hockey League agreement that forbids a draft pick from a Canadian junior team from playing in the minors full-time before his 20-year-old season.
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Zacha will 100% be able to play in the AHL
 
Marshal Rochambeau said:
According to this interview (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=774807&navid=nhl:topheads) Pavel believes that if he does not make the NHL team, he will play in Sarnia. So either he is sure of it or he is as confused as we are.

Another point on his scoring last year in juniors, I believe they were low because he was adjusting to a two-way style of play as opposed to being a purely offensive player. He said he watched Getzlaf and that he wants to focus on his defensive ability, so I am not worried about his numbers at all.
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In another article i believe Zacha or someone said he wasnt sure what his status was over seas because he had a different agent or something.

If he was truly on-loan then he will be able to play in the AHL or NHL and skip over Juniors.
 
maybe he can get his clean season in the AHL where he's not trying to dodge midgets out of fear of actually killing one of them
 
@TGfireandice: Don't know yet if Pavel Zacha is ready for NHL, but his personality is impressive. He seemed to have fun with everything this week.
 
If he isn't dominating a development camp, he shouldn't be on the team. That obviously doesn't mean he isn't doing good things or justifying his 6th overall status, but there is zero reason for him to be on the roster if it isn't in a scoring role.

I'd have to be really blown away in training camp to be on the throw him in the league train. I think people get mesmerized a little bit by his physical maturity, but the jump from junior to NHL is monumental. He had enough transition issues last season, injuries/suspensions notwithstanding.
 
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Jersey Fresh said:
If he isn't dominating a development camp, he shouldn't be on the team. That obviously doesn't mean he isn't doing good things or justifying his 6th overall status, but there is zero reason for him to be on the roster if it isn't in a scoring role.

I'd have to be really blown away in training camp to be on the throw him in the league train. I think people get mesmerized a little bit by his physical maturity, but the jump from junior to NHL is monumental. He had enough transition issues last season, injuries/suspensions notwithstanding.
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Kind of agree but at the same time it's sort of unfair. There is such a wide variety of players at these developmental camps, that an 18 year old freshly drafted not "dominating" should hardly be given the not ready distinction. He's going up against guys who have played in the NHL (Severson, Boosh), guys who have plenty of years of college under their belts and are much older (Coleman, Santini), among others. Not sticking out from a group with all those pieces doesn't mean he isn't ready.

And really, what is there to dominate? Today's scrimmage? It's one game, and by all accounts he played great despite not scoring. What else is there to dominate, the drills? I don't put much stock into that. 3 on 3? Kelleher was there star there, don't read much into that.
 
Cheddabombs said:
Kind of agree but at the same time it's sort of unfair. There is such a wide variety of players at these developmental camps, that an 18 year old freshly drafted not "dominating" should hardly be given the not ready distinction. He's going up against guys who have played in the NHL (Severson, Boosh), guys who have plenty of years of college under their belts and are much older (Coleman, Santini), among others. Not sticking out from a group with all those pieces doesn't mean he isn't ready.

And really, what is there to dominate? Today's scrimmage? It's one game, and by all accounts he played great despite not scoring. What else is there to dominate, the drills? I don't put much stock into that. 3 on 3? Kelleher was there star there, don't read much into that.
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Obviously we aren't privy to everything that goes on in this camp, but ultimately these guys are his peers. To me, if he's not showing he's a cut above here, what possible reason is there to throw him in the ring with bonafide NHLers?

Zacha is a tantalizing prospect because of his tools. Let him develop his game, we're not competing for anything next year. If there is a question of whether or not he can contribute scoring (i.e., the thing we drafted him for), there is no upside whatsoever to sticking him on the 3rd/4th line playing 9 minutes a night. Some of the comments I've read were complimentary of his speed, defense, etc. which is great. But we drafted a scorer, let him round out his game. He's 18.
 
Jersey Fresh said:
Obviously we aren't privy to everything that goes on in this camp, but ultimately these guys are his peers. To me, if he's not showing he's a cut above here, what possible reason is there to throw him in the ring with bonafide NHLers?

Zacha is a tantalizing prospect because of his tools. Let him develop his game, we're not competing for anything next year. If their is a question of whether or not he can contribute scoring (i.e., the thing we drafted him for), there is no upside whatsoever to sticking him on the 3rd/4th line playing 9 minutes a night. Some of the comments I've read were complimentary of his speed, defense, etc. which is great. But we drafted a scorer, let him round out his game. He's 18.
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I'm with you there, I don't want to rush him for the sake of rushing him. I was just saying that I don't think using this camp as a huge measurement is necessarily accurate. He's still got a few more months to train before training camp even begins, let's see where he's at by that time + preseason games. Just because he wasn't lighting the world on fire here doesn't mean he won't be ready.
 
Cheddabombs said:
I'm with you there, I don't want to rush him for the sake of rushing him. I was just saying that I don't think using this camp as a huge measurement is necessarily accurate. He's still got a few more months to train before training camp even begins, let's see where he's at by that time + preseason games. Just because he wasn't lighting the world on fire here doesn't mean he won't be ready.
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Of course. Ultimately, training camp will tell the tale.
 
Cheddabombs said:
I'm with you there, I don't want to rush him for the sake of rushing him. I was just saying that I don't think using this camp as a huge measurement is necessarily accurate. He's still got a few more months to train before training camp even begins, let's see where he's at by that time + preseason games. Just because he wasn't lighting the world on fire here doesn't mean he won't be ready.
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Have to consider it was just a scrimmage too and Hynes approached this whole week as a learning camp. Not a chance to make the team.

No reason to go out and make fools of people if you can. Severson was holding back. Zacha could of been too.

As you said. See what real camp and some preseason games show. Can't put to much stock in this.
 
I don't think this camp is/was the measurement, but it's definitely a huge one.

Blowing all of the other prospects of the water is the first box that needs to be checked.
 
Emperoreddy said:
Have to consider it was just a scrimmage too and Hynes approached this whole week as a learning camp. Not a chance to make the team.

No reason to go out and make fools of people if you can. Severson was holding back. Zacha could of been too.

As you said. See what real camp and some preseason games show. Can't put to much stock in this.
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I was with you up until the "make fools of people" thing. Zacha and Severson's situations are not analagous in any way. Severson isn't playing for a place on the team, he knows where he stands. Zacha better be trying to make fools of people if he wants to be on this team, as he's indicated.

The overall point of not being able to make the team here is correct, but making an impression never hurts.
 
If Zacha came out in development camp on full-throttle, hell bent on "domination", it would be a great sign that he isn't mature enough to be in the NHL.
 
ghoti said:
If Zacha came out in development camp on full-throttle, hell bent on "domination", it would be a great sign that he isn't mature enough to be in the NHL.
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I disagree. If he wants to be in the NHL as an 18-year old, at the very least he should be able to dominate a bunch of teenagers.

1. Dominate prospects
2. "Belong" in training camp
3. Produce something in preseason games

Shouldn't even be considered to make the team if he fails at any one of those three things.
 
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