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Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick: Pavel Zacha

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NJDevs26 said:
People have to get the short term thinking out of their heads, this season's not about making the playoffs at all costs or keeping the best short term patches at the expense of finding out what we have (or don't) on the roster.
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Exactly. This old mentality is down the toilet with the turds.

No one here knows what JJ can actually do when given real minutes with real linemates. He has never been consistently given that chance to prove himself past a 3rd/4th line role. Either do to injury or Pete doing what Pete does.

We saw what happened when you gave Lars a good partner and just let the kid play. JJ has talent, he was putting up points at World's. Let's see what he can do before you throw some stop gap that has nothing to do with our long term future in his way again.

We have a lot of kids that might just need an opportunity to shine.
 
Feed Me A Stray Cat said:
I'm all for the youth movement, I just think it's foolish to note bring Gomez back because they want Josefson to have an increased role. Josefson won't be a top nine player in my mind, so we're not wasting his development by bringing back Gomez.
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Then you and Shero don't think alike. Maybe Hynes and Shero think that Josefson can fit well into the new system they're going to implement, and his skillset may be useful as a top 6 forward.
 
Feed Me A Stray Cat said:
Except a player with "proper linemates" should be putting up more than 20 points. Josefson is a liability on a team that is hoping to make the playoffs in a couple years if he's getting second or third line minutes and only scoring 20 points.

I'm glad you brought up Kruger. His ESP/60 over the last three years is 1.28 compared to Josefson's 0.56. Kruger's most common linemates the last three years were Carcillo, Nordstrom, Smith and Bollig.
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Kruger hasn't had to deal with chronic major injuries and meager icetime. It shouldn't surprise you he regressed to 17 points this year after scoring 28 points last year.

There's major conditioning concerns when a guy like Josefson gets yo-yo'd in and out of the lineup and has health problems, compounded with Pete's personnel decisions.
 
Feed Me A Stray Cat said:
I'm all for the youth movement, I just think it's foolish to note bring Gomez back because they want Josefson to have an increased role. Josefson won't be a top nine player in my mind, so we're not wasting his development by bringing back Gomez.
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Yeah I agree, Josefson shows flashes but not often. He'll be lucky if he can make it to a 30 point player.
 
GhostofKenKlee said:
Considering they are moving away from Gomez. They believe JJ is ready to contribute points, he didn't say it in many words but his actions and what he has stated suggests that he believes that JJ and Zacha can outproduce Gomez and add as well.
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That's still doesn't prove that this is Shero and Hynes' actual thought process as far as thinking JJ can produce as much as Gomez. Perhaps they are just giving JJ an audition to see if he CAN be an NHL player long-term with the devils. :dunno:
 
One of Josefson's bigger problems has been creating time and space in the middle of the ice.

Rarely does he ever venture towards the center. Everything is always carried wide and continued into the corner or carried wide and dumped.

As a center you cannot play that way or very effectively that way.
 
AfroThunder396 said:
Kruger hasn't had to deal with chronic major injuries and meager icetime. It shouldn't surprise you he regressed to 17 points this year after scoring 28 points last year.

There's major conditioning concerns when a guy like Josefson gets yo-yo'd in and out of the lineup and has health problems, compounded with Pete's personnel decisions.
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Kruger and Josefon had virtually identical ice time last year. And ESP/60 adjusts for ice time anyway (Kruger at 1.12 v Josefson at 0.59).

Josefson is 2nd worst in the NHL in even strength scoring among forwards over the last three years. Worse than guys like Boll and Bollig and Carcillo.
 
whats the chances zacha makes the team? I say about 40 percent chance he does. I think they will give him the 9 game tryout tho
 
Feed Me A Stray Cat said:
Kruger and Josefon had virtually identical ice time last year. And ESP/60 adjusts for ice time anyway (Kruger at 1.12 v Josefson at 0.59).

Josefson is 2nd worst in the NHL in even strength scoring among forwards over the last three years. Worse than guys like Boll and Bollig and Carcillo.
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It's ok because we got a guy better than zack parise in palmieri in that same department. Save all the stats please. He is gonna get his chance he is a number one pick and he can skate. If he doesn't prove his worth they can let him walk.
 
Bcap88 said:
whats the chances zacha makes the team? I say about 40 percent chance he does. I think they will give him the 9 game tryout tho
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I think that's about right. I get the feeling they are figuring him in. I guess we will know more after free agency
 
Bcap88 said:
whats the chances zacha makes the team? I say about 40 percent chance he does. I think they will give him the 9 game tryout tho
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By making the team you mean the nine-game callup or actually being here long enough to burn an ELC year?

I think chances are pretty high he gets the nine-game tryout, and pretty low on him staying beyond that. It seems like they're committed to at least giving him that barring him having a bad camp.
 
captainscott said:
It's ok because we got a guy better than zack parise in palmieri in that same department. Save all the stats please. He is gonna get his chance he is a number one pick and he can skate. If he doesn't prove his worth they can let him walk.
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All the stats? The only stat I'm referencing here is points per 60 minutes of ice time. This isn't a very novel or new idea.

If Josefson is 2nd worst in the NHL, #376 out of 377, in a even strength point production per minute over the last three years. That is a bad signal, whether you like to admit or not. He's below names like Bollig, Rinaldo, Malhotra and Boll.

Take a look at the bottom of that list. The names that are there (Malhotra, Rinaldo, Glass, Pyatt, Cleary, Bollig, Boll, Hendricks, Adams, Clutterbuck, Greening, Neil, Thornton, Zubrus, etc.) should be there. The names at the top (Crosby, Getzlaf, Benn, Perry, Hall, Seguin, Nash, Tarasenko, Toews, Palat) should be at the top. You wouldn't use ESP/60 to say someone with 2.0 is better than someone with 1.8, however you would use it to say that someone with 1.5 is better than someone with 0.5.

How does it make people feel that Stephen Gionta has produced more at even strength than Jacob Josefson?
 
Feed Me A Stray Cat said:
Kruger and Josefon had virtually identical ice time last year. And ESP/60 adjusts for ice time anyway (Kruger at 1.12 v Josefson at 0.59).

Josefson is 2nd worst in the NHL in even strength scoring among forwards over the last three years. Worse than guys like Boll and Bollig and Carcillo.
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Because it's the freaking Blackhawks? Kruger is much better than a 4th line checker, yet was forced in that role because of Chicago's depth. Especially after they acquired Vermette and he was bumped down the depth chart.

I'm not saying that Josefson is as good a player as Kruger, I'm not sure why you seem think I am.

Josefson has been given every opportunity to fail and none to succeed. It's not like he was in the doghouse for a month, he's been a victim of lineup for years. His career shooting percentage under DeBoer is 4.95% (5/101) and his career shooting percentage under Lemaire '11 and Stevens/Oates '14 is 11.95% (8/69). Of course that's going to look bad on paper when the bulk of his career he was pigeonholed into a grinder hole.

He's played over 30 games in a season twice in his five year career. Lately he's been trending up. He played well after the coaching change last year and had a strong WC. You give him the shot he never got under the old regime. The point is that there are players with similar styles and also have limited production yet are effect NHL players, there's no reason Josefson can't do that as well.

But yeah, this is the Zacha thread.
 
He's gonna snipe some like Kovy, truck people like Ovy, and his controller might come disconnected a few times. All in all it should be fun to watch.
 
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