Post-Game Talk: #6 - 01/26/21 | RANGERS @ sabres

[egelband]

The forecheck is trash. Felt like we had no offensive zone pressure outside of powerplays and the last minute of the game. Really wanted to see Laf and Kakko do well on that line but they never had possession of the f***in puck.

Yes. And there’s kind of no excuse. I give the guys a pass on many things, since it’s early. But forechecking...gotta be able to forecheck. We have very little battle at this point. I don’t expect them to win every battle or race for a puck. But they’re barely engaging.

 

[pld459666]

I keep hearing about Gallant, but we do recognize that he has a shorter shelf life than Torts? Right?

As a HC at the NHL level, hes NEVER completed his 3rd season behind the bench.

Not sure how I feel about that potential hire. History has shown that it doesn't end well, but does end quick

 

[The S5]

I live down in Canes country, so I watch a lot of their games. They seem to be the antithesis of the Rangers. Yes, they have a few really good players in Aho, Svech and Slavin, but on a whole, the Rangers have more talent. What seems to separate them is their style of play. Rod isn't reinventing hockey with regard to their systems. What they do is compete all over the ice. Rod has the boys all in and it shows. Take a guy like Dougie. A bit of a misfit everywhere he went. He gets to Carolina and fits right in. Hell, even Skjei seems to have found himself in Raleigh.
I wish I could put all the blame on Quinn, since that would be an easy fix, but I can't. It's the veteran leadership who needs to take control of the room, but who is that? Who is the guy the young kids look up to? Who is the guy who works his ass off all of the time to set the example?
Its clear that this team needs leadership. Who or where is that going to come from?

 

[dccuse]

Maybe it’s time to move panarin off the half wall on the left side. It’s so predictable. Defenses are shifting to their right to black his shooting lines and offenses are collapsing to prevent the cross-ice pass. Why not park him behind the net a bit, at least in the power play. Let him look for some open cutters from there and maybe slip out for some shots from in close. The more he gets shadowed the farther out he shoots from and the mess that hit the net.

 

[leetch99]

Really seeing why there still isn't a captain

Gerard Gallant with this roster should sign a 1 year deal and cash in big next year.

If I am Turk I want 4 million a year or maybe 5 ....and a 5 year deal and some signing bonus Babcocklike money up front that makes me walk away from the remaining Vegas loot he is due until July ? or thereabouts . I'd love to be a fly on the wall at his home this morning and to hear the conversation after watching the highlites on TSN . I wonder who comes calling first...Rangers or Wings ?

 

[Larrybiv]

Well a good paycheck is an issue with NA players sometimes, I dont know why or have a good explanation for it.

Jacob Trouba 6 games 1 assist (-1) stat (too big salary/pay check) which Jets refuse to pay him and for good reasons.

You cant put all blames on our goalies, they need some help too. They are not Henrik Lundqvist who stood on his head on nightly basis.

Wonder if Hank is quietly snickering and saying "you see, you see? I told you so"

 

[HaNotsri]

You guys really out-Sabred the Sabres yesterday despite all the talent on your roster.
Gallant is available, just sayin'

 

[mas0764]

They are. They are 46.6% last year (second to last) with the same four centers. And yes it's second to last but it's minimal spread. You can't tell me there's a huge difference between winning 46.6% and 50% of faceoffs. It's a difference of 2 faceoff wins per game, on average. They actually should currently be better on faceoffs than they were last year with Chytil out as he's one of the worst in the league on them.

In terms of "important faceoffs" they are about average as Zibanejad takes those and he is average. Sometimes Strome takes them and he's a bit below average.

Yeah but yesterday it was 37 to 15 late in the third, that’s a big difference, it’s not 46%.

 

[Larrybiv]

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I live down in Canes country, so I watch a lot of their games. They seem to be the antithesis of the Rangers. Yes, they have a few really good players in Aho, Svech and Slavin, but on a whole, the Rangers have more talent. What seems to separate them is their style of play. Rod isn't reinventing hockey with regard to their systems. What they do is compete all over the ice. Rod has the boys all in and it shows. Take a guy like Dougie. A bit of a misfit everywhere he went. He gets to Carolina and fits right in. Hell, even Skjei seems to have found himself in Raleigh.
I wish I could put all the blame on Quinn, since that would be an easy fix, but I can't. It's the veteran leadership who needs to take control of the room, but who is that? Who is the guy the young kids look up to? Who is the guy who works his ass off all of the time to set the example?
Its clear that this team needs leadership. Who or where is that going to come from?

In a word..........this. great post.

 

[Larrybiv]

You guys really out-Sabred the Sabres yesterday despite all the talent on your roster.
Gallant is available, just sayin'

That's a pretty low blow. What team do you support? Btw, we all pretty much know that fact. As soon as this team decides it "hates to lose" then they will get it together. But as it is, we are looking at yet another lottery pick. Uggggh.

 

[Tob]

that broadcast last night was actually nuts man. Joe, Sam, and Vally were all extremely upset by what they were seeing the whole night.

 

[SA16]

Yeah but yesterday it was 37 to 15 late in the third, that’s a big difference, it’s not 46%.

Yes that is called variance. Even the best faceoff team in the league will have games like that.

 

[Kovalev27]

We have the worst head coach in the division that’s really all there is to it. Every other guy is a seasoned veteran.

our coach looks lost. As he has from the beginning. Not an X’s and O’s Guy? Coaching against a ton of great X’s and O’s Guys?

Uses last years power play success as his reason for not removing strome yet he’s buried DeAngelo who last year was probably the 2nd or 3rd best pp qb in the world?

refuses to see kakko is going and chomping at the bit and keeps him buried on the third line with no pp time?

has lost the top prospect in the world to the point he looks like he doesn’t belong in the nhl right now in lafreniere

continues to trot out jack johnson a player so bad that the league and its entire fan base is laughing at us?

serious changes need to be made. TODAY

 

[leetch99]

EDIT. TonyD playing like a dog who just had his nuts cut off by coach Quinn . It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out . As Tony goes....so goes the Rangers.....so either Tony goes or Quinn goes ! One or the other has to happen very soon . A BIG question is....can Tony be coached by Gallant or Martin if they are what we end up with ?

 

[dangsLITE]

I wasn't worried about Laf at first but realize now that he's actually shown less than KK last year at the same time so far... although team has also been worse overall.

 

[leetch99]

That's a really, really good observation. Nobody feeds off a crowd like Panarin.

First thing he needs is new glasses....him and Trouba will have every end boards in the league wore out .

 

[Blue Blooded]

DeAngelo for instant -5 now with 4 games
Jack Johnson -4 with 5 games.

Player development: How they perform on the ice and I know Lafs first season in NHL so I dont pay a lot of attention to his progression that much as other fans maybe, and Kakko with 2 points is fine.
But Strome with 1 point, DeAngelo 0 points -5 player. The whole top line is (-) stats with Zib, Kreider, so defensive issues for sure not only in the bottom lines.

New York Rangers Stats | 2020-2021 | New York Rangers (nhl.com)

Citing +/- in a 6 game sample (or in DeAngelo's case, a 4 game sample) is virtually meaningless due to variance in shooting and save percentage. DeAngelo has had a 5v5 on-ice Sv% of 68.42 so far which is absurdly low and by far the worst on the team (Lafreniere has the 2nd worst at 84.85%). In each of the past two seasons he's had some of the highest 5v5 on-ice Sv% percentages on the team, so this isn't something you'd expect based on track record. He was 4th (3rd among D) in 18-19 with 92.98 and 5th (2nd among D) in 19-20 with 92.53.

While it is still a minuscule sample, play driving metrics are much more stable than on-ice Sv% (perhaps the most random metric of all) and there DeAngelo has been our best defenceman despite playing 50% of his TOI with Johnson who has been our worst defenceman in that regard.

Hilariously, the side of the game DeAngelo has been most impactful so far is defensively which hasn't been the case previously and certainly doesn't line up with his reputation.

Tony D is — or at least was — one of our top 3 most important players. He is playing with zero confidence out there and does very little right now. What happened??

He's playing well, just has had unbelievably bad puck luck.

 

[Kovalev27]

Tony is making his 5 mil to run our PP and Quinn has removed him 1 game in. And we’ve gone 1-4-1 and Quinn doesn’t think maybe he should revisit that decision

he’s an awful coach.

 

[Daves a mess]

Tony is making his 5 mil to run our PP and Quinn has removed him 1 game in. And we’ve gone 1-4-1 and Quinn doesn’t think maybe he should revisit that decision

Quinn chances of getting fired now are maybe 10%. Chances of Gerard Gallant or other excellent but retread coach strolling down a red carpet into MSG is prob less than 5%.

But to clap along with the drumroll for Quinn scalp. This team is 1-8 in its last 9 games. Don't think for one second that Gorts and JD are still a bit twisted at that meek 3 and done broom in the ass from the Candy Canes. We can yell all we want about FIRE THE COACH and many may be right, but I have a feeling that "leadership" in the locker room is going to be the back and forth chatter between Quinn/ Martin and Gorts/JD today.

My both sides agreement sentence? If the Rangers are 30 or 31 in the league by game 20, Martin is getting the tap from Gorts. I'm rooting for the guy personally, but this Jack Johnson thing is just odd now. Why do I feel that Jacques has a huge say in EVERY D line up decision? Maybe complete decision making? Don't know. I'm have to be wrong here.

he’s an awful coach.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

The Rangers are floundering. What's with Panarin? He was playing pond hockey last night. I've never seen so many stretch passes. His first one almost connected, so he kept trying the entire game. Bear down for goodness sake. Weak team play is what I'm seeing. The horrific faceoff results and futile PK are indicative of lack of will. I see no leaders.

 

[Kovalev27]

Outside of the 5-0 win we’ve scored:

0
3
3
2
2

10 goals in 5 losses. It’s atrocious for this offense. And we have not adjusted the pp?? That’s the easiest quick fix to get you going shake things up.

 

[Larrybiv]

Tony is making his 5 mil to run our PP and Quinn has removed him 1 game in. And we’ve gone 1-4-1 and Quinn doesn’t think maybe he should revisit that decision

he’s an awful coach.

I might add that in the season opener he looked involved and was doing what he does. After the benching, he doesnt look quite the same. So, not only did we LOSE a winnable game vs Devils (he might have made a difference) but imo, has regressed a bit and is 2 games slower than mostly everyone else. That was a horrible decision for the team.

I get that we needed to add an experienced dman in JJ, to somewhat cover for Marc, and they had no inclination that k'Andre would be playing these minutes so soon. But that was a blessing. Just dont understand how they could think JJ is better than Smith and should EVER play over Tony.
Quinn is really pissing me off now.

 

[GigaChad]

Quinn..
Listen Quinn!
F##k off, please.

 

[alkurtz]

I have been a fan for 60 years and the second period last night was one of the poorest periods I have ever seen the Rangers play...at that is saying a lot. The lack of engagement, effort, and competitiveness was distressing. I have been a DQ supporter but unless something changes soon and before the season spirals out of control, a change may need to be made. There is simply no justification for how poorly this team is playing and for the lack of engagement we saw last night.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I might add that in the season opener he looked involved and was doing what he does. After the benching, he doesnt look quite the same. So, not only did we LOSE a winnable game vs Devils (he might have made a difference) but imo, has regressed a bit and is 2 games slower than mostly everyone else. That was a horrible decision for the team.

I get that we needed to add an experienced dman in JJ, to somewhat cover for Marc, and they had no inclination that k'Andre would be playing these minutes so soon. But that was a blessing. Just dont understand how they could think JJ is better than Smith and should EVER play over Tony.
Quinn is really pissing me off now.

Hey accountability, just like JJ last night.