Post-Game Talk: #6 - 01/26/21 | RANGERS @ sabres

[Ori]

Well a good paycheck is an issue with NA players sometimes, I dont know why or have a good explanation for it.

Jacob Trouba 6 games 1 assist (-1) stat (too big salary/pay check) which Jets refuse to pay him and for good reasons.

You cant put all blames on our goalies, they need some help too. They are not Henrik Lundqvist who stood on his head on nightly basis.

 

[Fitzy]

I will say I feel pretty confident about this one.

I think if he vets pick up their play, it will open up space and create more opportunity for the young talent.

But neither Laf or Kakko look outmatched out there, and they’re getting their chances. If they weren’t, or they were getting beat all over the ice, I’d be concerned. But we’re not seeing that. The difference between the two of them having nicer HockeyDD.com numbers really isn’t huge pivot away from where they are currently. If they keep playing the way they are, and don’t fall off, the rest will follow for them.

I will say that they both look like actual competitive nhl players this season. Kakko looked like a random kid they brought in to skate for a few ceremonial shifts last year, it was on a whole different level.

I just want to see an indication that we are actually going to get a star player from one of the two of them. I realize we are getting spoiled with Fox and Miller, but I’d rather not have to deal with the long term optics of busting our first top two picks consecutively

 

[SnowblindNYR]

@Edge are you still not concerned about Jack Johnson and do you have an explanation why Quinn loves him so much? He sat TDA and Lemieux for bad penalties but Johnson didn't miss a shift. WTF is going on? I lost a lot of respect for JD and Gorton for this signing.

 

[duhmetreE]

We are terrible in transition and entering the zone.
We are terrible at dump and chase.
We are terrible at forechecking.
We are terrible at finishing checks.
We are terrible at crashing the net.
We are terrible with forcing 'hope' plays.
We are terrible at shooting the puck.
We are terribly inconsistent.

We lack urgency. We lack leadership. PLD would be proud of our effort.

 

[Kravtsov420]

The big problem is this team/coach is trying to do two things at the same time. You can't "develop kids" and try to make the playoffs at the same time. At this time, playoffs should not be the #1 priority, and if Quinn thinks it is, this is what you get.

BINGOOOOOO

 

[Edge]

I will say that they both look like actual competitive nhl players this season. Kakko looked like a random kid they brought in to skate for a few ceremonial shifts last year, it was on a whole different level.

I just want to see an indication that we are actually going to get a star player from one of the two of them. I realize we are getting spoiled with Fox and Miller, but I’d rather not have to deal with the long term optics of busting our first top two picks consecutively

I would say you’re probably only going to see flashes this season. I know that’s not the answer people want to hear, but it’s probably pretty accurate.

I think we’ve become so worried about players busting the last few years, that it’s really kind of steered the lens by which we view a lot of things.

As for Fox and Miller - yes they do have us a little spoiled. Though I would caution about keeping perspective if Miller comes back down to earth a little at some point.

But, here’s some food for thought: Fox is five years out from his draft, Miller is three. That’s a lot of time compared to Kakko and Laf.

More food for thought: Lafreniere hasn’t even played the equivalent of a full slate of NHL preseason games to this point.

These are noteworthy details worth considering.

 

[Edge]

@Edge are you still not concerned about Jack Johnson and do you have an explanation why Quinn loves him so much? He sat TDA and Lemieux for bad penalties but Johnson didn't miss a shift. WTF is going on? I lost a lot of respect for JD and Gorton for this signing.

I don’t know if concerned is the right word. Concerned would indicate I had some sort of expectations for him in the first place that he is not meeting.

I think they went out and got a guy they thought could demonstrate the system they wanted to implement. Six games in, I think he’s done that - by showing how not to play.

I’d be perfectly fine if he and Strome never played again. Though I can’t say I’m enthused about the alternative options at this time either.

 

[Kravtsov420]

The issue is this moronic imbecile of a coach that is supposed to be about development had the smart idea to have two different standards and a lack of consistency when players get benched.

And now what do we have? Our vets playing for themselves and setting a poor example for the youngins while also taking up ice time for said yougins, and the worst part being is showing that your so called standards only apply to the young kids when they don’t work hard but not the vets.

then the kids think? This is bullshit, it doesn’t matter if I work hard or not, the coach isn’t going to play me in front of these guys who clearly don’t give a f***. It’s how to lose a room 101.


what Quinn doing is downright embarrassing. He coaches to “win” so he can save his job. And it’s so obvious. Now when Panarin and Mika aren’t there to save his ass, he is reaping what he is sewing.

And p.s.
I’ve never seen someone play and literally care less about their team like Jacob Trouba. It’s actually incredible, like a straight up psychopath lack of empathy personality.

 

[BKGooner]

Just need to go on a streak of having the other team's starter injured in a freak accident and having a rookie goalie come in cold on an NHL debut to get this team back to .500

Except the Rangers make all of those guys look like Hasek Jr. Every time.

 

[GbgRanger]

First star of the night is clearly Sir Avgard. Best poster of all this subforum and one of the few that is not bipolar.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t know if concerned is the right word. Concerned would indicate I had some sort of expectations for him in the first place that he is not meeting.

I think they went out and got a guy they thought could demonstrate the system they wanted to implement. Six games in, I think he’s done that - by showing how not to play.

I’d be perfectly fine if he and Strome never played again. Though I can’t say I’m enthused about the alternative options at this time either.

His play demonstrates that perfectly

 

[Kravtsov420]

We weren't, we were hoping he'd perform at least at rookie Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Taylor Hall, Jack Eichel level. Not another Kaapo Kakko rookie year. The guy was touted for his NHL readiness.

Well bro why is the onus always on the prospect? It’s hilarious at this point.

hmmm... there seems to clearly be a pattern

1. Lias Anderson situation and how that was handled (who scored a goal btw)
2. Kravtsov rumors and interviews about how the team is being run and going back to Russia mid season
3. Kakko looking great for the first 20 games of the season last year until DQ got in his head.
4. And now the undisputed top overall since McDavid. Looked great in game one but has had a downward trend since.

I mean at what point are we going to stop with the childish nonsense blaming every single guy we draft (18 year olds at that) and maybe come to the logical conclusion that it’s the coaching and so called “development” that he implements ? It’s no secret that it does more harm than good up to this point. And that by itself is merit for him to go.

I mean the DQ defending and blaming of the prospects is just sickening at this point. Are you in love with him? Is that it? Just admit it already if that’s the case instead of choosing to turn off your brain and continuing to ignore common sense.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

 

[duhmetreE]

What worries me is players like Panarin are getting smothered and the middle of the ice is clogged. There's been no adjustments from the team. Strome is a blackhole but somehow everybody and their mother has changed positions/lines but Strome stays attached to Panarin. Hope plays are a given. Puck support and puck movement has always been suspect. We see flashes then it turns back to crap.

We have been 'trapped' since Carolina. We've had the same issues since the 'play-in'. When will the team be coached through it? Nothing has changed. Our PP has looked abysmal with 4 RHS and Strome. Nothing has changed. We continue to look lost and confused throughout the game.

If the Vets are not doing what Quinn wants, what does that mean? Is he in control?

You take on the personality of your coach. He at least had some fire and discipline the first 2 years. Thats gone now. We're lost, confused and insecure.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Someone brought up...26 M to Trouba Kreider and Panarin for THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE...

NONE of these moves made sense for our future window or current team needs. Enjoy their contracts in another 2 or 3 years HF.

No Fast... for Strome and JJ LOL

So many people cheered wildly for every one of these moves too and attacked anyone who voiced concern.

1st + more just for the right to pay Trouba. He had WPG's balls in a vice.

" LOL This is a move you make 10 times out of 10!" -about three or four dozen people who looked at Trouba's stat sheet but had never watched him play.

Being wrong? NBD. It's how aggressively condescending most of you are even when you have no clue. Those same people unironically crow about how we're the smartest fanbase on HF.

And I actually LIKE what I've seen from kakko and Laf for the most part...despite it being underwhelming compared even to my lowest expectations...

 

[egelband]

They are. They are 46.6% last year (second to last) with the same four centers. And yes it's second to last but it's minimal spread. You can't tell me there's a huge difference between winning 46.6% and 50% of faceoffs. It's a difference of 2 faceoff wins per game, on average. They actually should currently be better on faceoffs than they were last year with Chytil out as he's one of the worst in the league on them.

In terms of "important faceoffs" they are about average as Zibanejad takes those and he is average. Sometimes Strome takes them and he's a bit below average.

I also see them getting tossed from the circle a lot. Not sure if there’s something there or not tho.

 

[jay from jersey]

Got a big paycheck over the summer.

Or he is playing too cautious for fear of being scratched

 

[jay from jersey]

We are terrible in transition and entering the zone.
We are terrible at dump and chase.
We are terrible at forechecking.
We are terrible at finishing checks.
We are terrible at crashing the net.
We are terrible with forcing 'hope' plays.
We are terrible at shooting the puck.
We are terribly inconsistent.

We lack urgency. We lack leadership. PLD would be proud of our effort.

Not giving Jesper fast that extra was just plain dumb if you ask me. He did a lot of things on that list

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Not giving Jesper fast that extra was just plain dumb if you ask me. He did a lot of things on that list

I think Hank and Fast leaving plays a big role when it comes to overall leadership.

 

[TriFF51]

The forecheck is trash. Felt like we had no offensive zone pressure outside of powerplays and the last minute of the game. Really wanted to see Laf and Kakko do well on that line but they never had possession of the f***in puck.

 

[Smart Alek]

Panarin seems disinterested without fans in the stands.

That's a really, really good observation. Nobody feeds off a crowd like Panarin.

 

[GbgRanger]

Not giving Jesper fast that extra was just plain dumb if you ask me. He did a lot of things on that list

Yeah but people here were constantly whining about his offence.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Leadership is a big issue. And don’t anyone forget this when it once again comes out that the Rangers really aren’t interested in assigning a C to one of these guys.

They all kind of seem like they're off doing their own thing rather than as a cohesive unit. Not sure if it's a personality thing or what.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Someone brought up...26 M to Trouba Kreider and Panarin for THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE...

NONE of these moves made sense for our future window or current team needs. Enjoy their contracts in another 2 or 3 years HF.

No Fast... for Strome and JJ LOL

So many people cheered wildly for every one of these moves too and attacked anyone who voiced concern.

1st + more just for the right to pay Trouba. He had WPG's balls in a vice.

" LOL This is a move you make 10 times out of 10!" -about three or four dozen people who looked at Trouba's stat sheet but had never watched him play.

Being wrong? NBD. It's how aggressively condescending most of you are even when you have no clue. Those same people unironically crow about how we're the smartest fanbase on HF.

And I actually LIKE what I've seen from kakko and Laf for the most part...despite it being underwhelming compared even to my lowest expectations...

We were happy with the length and amount on Strome's contract. We dont have center prospects. He is insurance until Chytil proves hes ready for 2C and Strome can be exposed to expansion or traded.

Fast is like Hagelin. Everyone moans when you dont resign him when they hit UFA. Guess what? We should be developing and drafting grinders. You dont resign 3rd line Pkers after you lose team control. It doesnt work in the cap world.

JJ should be the 7th dman. He should have only been insurance if Miller or AdA on the left didn't work.

Before Trouba, we were looking for a #1 RD for years since Girardi started to decline. They got Troubs who played very well in a contract year. Now he is showing that he is being exposed in the role we have him in.

The thought process on Kreider is everyone is looking for what Kreider provides comes playoff time and usually pay a premium for it. In reality we should have prolly traded him and targeted Josh Anderson.

 

[ETTER DE]

Quinn has been the only coach hired by Gorton.

No. He re-signed AV and fired him shortly after.

 

[egelband]

I will say that they both look like actual competitive nhl players this season. Kakko looked like a random kid they brought in to skate for a few ceremonial shifts last year, it was on a whole different level.

I just want to see an indication that we are actually going to get a star player from one of the two of them. I realize we are getting spoiled with Fox and Miller, but I’d rather not have to deal with the long term optics of busting our first top two picks consecutively

It’s weird that the defensemen, Miller, Lindgren, Fox...all emerged pretty quickly. Usually defensemen take longer to break through.