Post-Game Talk: #6 - 01/26/21 | RANGERS @ sabres

[Edge]

He's trying to make plays because nobody else is doing it.

There’s a certain zip that’s been missing from his game for a while now and I was hoping it was just a weird timing thing last playoffs. But he’s stuck in one section of the ice and he keeps trying to make the same plays that don’t work. Something is off there, and it’s not necessarily a recent development either.

 

[haveandare]

We're not winning, Laf looks lost. What the hell are we doing then?

Laf looks like a kid who players juniors months ago and has a half dozen NHL games under his belt, mostly with vets who are playing terribly.

The team should be growing and getting closer to competing. They were going from 1OA to winning a cup. That doesn’t happen

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Re: Quinn, I will say that the lack of response from the veterans over the last 10 months is concerning.

It’s funny, while some people are concerned that he is ruining the young talent, I actually think he’s more or less doing okay there.

It’s the veterans (among other issues like preparedness, and line jumbling, and reliance on shitty players) that has me shaking my head.

So while I don’t hate Quinn, I’m not without concern either. It just seems to be different than the concern expressed by some others.

Personally i just think they need a spark, something to wake them up. Its usually a trade then the coach so we'll see what happens.

 

[The New Russian Five]

He's trying to make plays because nobody else is doing it.

What's interesting to note is that Panarin often has the puck on the half boards and is looking to make a pass, but no one is moving. Last year players were moving around and he would thread the needle. I think a lot of Panarin's struggles are based on the whole team looking disjointed.

 

[mas0764]

so who is #1?

Clarke, Power, Beniers? All good players I’d like to have here.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Laf looks like a kid who players juniors months ago and has a half dozen NHL games under his belt, mostly with vets who are playing terribly.

The team should be growing and getting closer to competing. They were going from 1OA to winning a cup. That doesn’t happen

They weren't a typical 1OA, you make it sound like they had the worst record in the league. And I never thought we'd win the cup, but 1-4-1 is pathetic. And it's not fun to watch. Last year at least they were fun to watch. This year they're an eyesore.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There’s a certain zip that’s been missing from his game for a while now and I was hoping it was just a weird timing thing last playoffs. But he’s stuck in one section of the ice and he keeps trying to make the same plays that don’t work. Something is off there, and it’s not necessarily a recent development either.

He doesn't want to try and beat someone one on one, he'll skate right to the other side of the ice with it to avoid that and when you become that predictable you're easy to contain.

 

[Synergy27]

Since everyone is going to inevitably complain about faces here's your reminder that they do not matter shown over the last five years.

Let’s parse this chart a bit. I’m not sure what sample the data is representing, but I think the takeaway from this chart is that most teams vary between 45-55% on faceoffs and when that is the case there is next to zero correlation between FO% and W%. I’ll buy that.

The Rangers lost 70/30 in the dot tonight.

They lost 65/35 in the first Penguins game.

Faceoffs are definitely next to meaningless when you’re performing within the normal variance. They start to matter a lot more when you are off the charts bad at them.

 

[haveandare]

There’s a certain zip that’s been missing from his game for a while now and I was hoping it was just a weird timing thing last playoffs. But he’s stuck in one section of the ice and he keeps trying to make the same plays that don’t work. Something is off there, and it’s not necessarily a recent development either.

Exactly. Well put. He’s seems to only ever be stationary or slowly gliding between the middle of the circle and the point on the left side. When he breaks in, he quickly passes off, usually to Strome who is an utter black hole. Panarin needs to be more mobile and assertive. It’s concerning.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lafreniere is gonna be a really good player, i don't know why people think he should be Selanne right away.

 

[mas0764]

Andersson 7th overall
Kravtsov 9th overall
Kakko 2nd overall
Lafreniere 1st overall

none are having an impact for the New York Rangers whatsoever


how does a development coach keep his job with that track record?

Bingo.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Clarke, Power, Beniers? All good players I’d like to have here.

the point is, where would those 3 names have been drafted in 20 or 22? It’s a weak draft. This is not the year for a high lottery pick. They resigned Kreider, Strome and ADA not to play for lottery pick in a weak draft.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What the actual f***? I understood this mentality last season or the season before, but we’re supposed to be in the playoffs this year at the very least. Another high draft pick won’t fix this.

yeah I can't see how anyone could be rooting for another high pick. Unless we are extremely lucky in the lottery, another high pick would mean things have gone really wrong and that is not what we should be hoping for.

 

[haveandare]

They weren't a typical 1OA, you make it sound like they had the worst record in the league. And I never thought we'd win the cup, but 1-4-1 is pathetic. And it's not fun to watch. Last year at least they were fun to watch. This year they're an eyesore.

I don’t agree at all. Last year they were getting hemmed in their zone for long stretches and were either scoring pretty goals off a rush or, more often, getting a one and done trying to overpass. I think the way they’re playing overall is a lot better and more sustainable this year save for the first game and this one, they’re just not getting the production they need from top guys to outweigh fluky goaltending.

 

[Raspewtin]

Absolutely, Buch has been good. I have no problems with him thus far.

it's not like his stupid f*** of a center is giving him many options, to be honest.

 

[RGY]

Re: Quinn, I will say that the lack of response from the veterans over the last 10 months is concerning.

It’s funny, while some people are concerned that he is ruining the young talent, I actually think he’s more or less doing okay there.

It’s the veterans (among other issues like preparedness, and line jumbling, and reliance on shitty players) that has me shaking my head.

So while I don’t hate Quinn, I’m not without concern either. It just seems to be different than the concern expressed by some others.

Well said here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

F the lottery its time to make a march towards the playoff spot. Our stars need to take a look in the mirror and step up. Its all on Strome, Panarin, Mika, Kreider, and Deangelo. None of them are earing their paycheck.

 

[Edge]

He doesn't want to try and beat someone one on one, he'll skate right to the other side of the ice with it to avoid that and when you become that predictable you're easy to contain.

Agreed. That’s the “he looks like he is trying to social distance” aspect I am noticing.

What’s hard too is that he and Zibanejad are easy to contain right now and that’s not freeing up a lot of ice for others.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

yeah I can't see how anyone could be rooting for another high pick. Unless we are extremely lucky in the lottery, another high pick would mean things have gone really wrong and that is not what we should be hoping for.

Normally I'd agree but the schedule is so out of whack, we could be in the only division without any joke teams to beat up on (besides...ourselves)

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Normally I'd agree but the schedule is so out of whack, we could be in the only division without any joke teams to beat up on (besides...ourselves)

Right now we're the easy 2

 

[PuckLuck3043]

There’s a certain zip that’s been missing from his game for a while now and I was hoping it was just a weird timing thing last playoffs. But he’s stuck in one section of the ice and he keeps trying to make the same plays that don’t work. Something is off there, and it’s not necessarily a recent development either.

Panarin is the least of our problems quite frankly. While he hasn't played great and it's obvious he is rusty he still has made some plays and has 6 points in 6 games. He will be fine.

 

[will1066]

This is also why the Chytil injury couldn’t come at a worse time. Because now it (somewhat) forced into a situation where Quinn is going to almost have to roll Strome out there.

And you know what Strome is right now? A vortex. He literally sucks so hard that he pulls in other players. I damn near think he pulled that one shot by Lafreniere away from the net. That’s how unbelievably shitty he is.

But here’s the thing as well. The 19 and 21 year olds should not be the ones setting the tone and pulling the nose up. They aren’t there yet.

I expect that from the 27 year olds and the 29 year olds, and the 25/26 year olds.

IMO, those guys are a big reason why Kakko has two goals and not 3 or 4. I’ve literally watched Strome have a f***ing spasm while trying to get him the puck. It’s also why Laf doesn’t have a goal or a point at this stage.

I really don’t think it’s a development thing. Or a problem with these kids. I think the core veterans are like anchors right now in all the wrong ways.

Unfortunately, yes, Quinn will need to roll him out there because of Chytil's injury, but Quinn needs to send him a message by reducing his minutes and role. It is only fair if he talks about merit.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

What's interesting to note is that Panarin often has the puck on the half boards and is looking to make a pass, but no one is moving. Last year players were moving around and he would thread the needle. I think a lot of Panarin's struggles are based on the whole team looking disjointed.

Very good observation and I totally agree. The rest of the team is just looking at him to make a play but not helping either. I have said all year it will take 10 games for them to get in sync but I also didn't expect them to find ways to lose every night either.

 

[Kovalev27]

Currently has tied with Ottawa for the 1st pick, Owen Power/Matt Bieners/Kent Johnson come on down

It’s your time to play savior for the franchise

maybe you get a top 4 dman or a third line center out of those kids. None of them would be top 3 picks in any recent draft. Most likely not even top 5. This is a shit draft to Tank. And If were that bad it’s on Quinn not the talent here

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I don’t like Quinn at all, but if we dont start talking people off the ledge here, it’s going to give out from underneath them. Accountability, preparedness and honestly poor personnel decisions are hurting this team greatly. He’s in the position to be the person that fixes all of these things. So fix them or get lost DQ.