Post-Game Talk: #51| Maple Leafs at FLYERS | Sat., Jan. 31, 2015

[Jack Straw]

Because they are examples of teams that had good records but poor advanced stats. It is backing up my point that advanced stats provide important context to a team's wins and lose records. Something you don't seem to believe. Since you seem to weigh your opinion primarily on a team's record based on your statement "The only stat that really means anything is wins and losses."

"You are what your record says you are". (Bill Parcells)

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" (attributed to Vince Lombardi, who may or may not have actually said it)

At the end of the day what matters is wins, losses, championships. Depending on your job, sure, stats (whether advanced or unadvanced) are useful tools. Scouts, coaches... stats are probably pretty important to them in the course of doing their jobs. Team owners? They probably put just a bit more emphasis on the end result.

Don't take what you read on a message board so literally...

 

[SgtJoseph*]

The ice time whining is ridiculous. The team and its coaches are trying to win - and make the playoffs, as unlikely as that seems. They almost need to win out in order to catch a wildcard - and they will try. To do that they have to win, and also to conserve some of Voracek and Giroux's energy when they can. Berube has been spreading ice time out and they are winning. What's wrong with that? Then he can play G and JV more when they need to catch up in game.

For years all the whiners on here complained we didn't have depth and balance. Now finally we have a 4th line that is really playing well, despite the detractors. The 4th line is keeping it out of our end, getting forecheck and cycling pressure and scoring goals almost every night. Good for them and great that they can take pressure off the top lines and help save them for another day. Individual awards mean nothing. Jake doesn't care about the Ross. They need 25 more wins to make the playoffs and will try to do it until they are mathematically eliminated.

Berube and his assistants know exactly how much ice time each guy is getting - and their plan is working pretty well right now. Let the 4th line play 12-14 minutes as long as the team is winning.

If more ice time helps someone be persuaded Vinny or Umby is worth trading for, so much the better.

Well said Larry !

 

[Beef Invictus]

The amount of time G and V are playing isn't the issue. It's how it's spread out. They get minimal usage in the first two periods and then he wears them into the ice during the 3rd.

And then the usage of the 4th line is idiotic. They get far too many prime offensive zone starts; like, he loves putting them out when the other team ices it, even if G, V, or Couturier are rested.

His player usage makes winning harder than it should be.