Prospect Info: 47OA: Brady Cleveland

[newfy]

I wouldn't want them to have to score 20, but I would want them to take a regular shift. They need to take 10-12 minutes a night without their shifts being white knucklers hoping they don't get routinely burned. If they can PK then all the better.

Thats the problem though, people would have this stance while trotting out Jacob de la rose,, Emmerton or whoever... despite those guys leaving you white knuckling without providing much of anything.

Like people this year saying Kostin isnt good enough at hockey, despite the fact that he had very good analytics and played well. If you can fight, half the people on ths board dont hold you to the same standard of other players

 

[letsgowings9999]

Raymond hat trick tonight

Side note just cause I heard his name... cant believe czarnik is here lmao f***en lalonde

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

The trade of.Andrew Gibson made me curious about Cleveland. Disappointing (but understandable) that he was not invited to USA Hockey's summer showcase following his freshman season at Wisconsin.

Will be interesting to see how things go for him at Colorado College.

Clearly he could have benefited from a year of.junior hockey before joining the Badgers.

But the competition level in the NCHC and a year of physical maturity and perhaps an opportunity to see more ice time could help him reach the potential Detroit scouts envisioned.

 

[heyfolks]

Brady should have spent another year in junior.* He went to Wisconsin to play for Granato and his asst, who were near immediately canned. He, and two others are now transferred.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/latest-news/prospect-roundup-brady-cleveland-seeking-larger-role-through-transfer-portal

https://badgerextra.com/sports/hockey/men/wisconsin-mens-hockey-transfer-portal-cleveland-lamaster/article_a7d23bf8-f07f-11ee-82fb-4f2ccc1cb563.html

CC hockey notebook: Tigers grab former Wisconsin defenseman in transfer portal; Serdachny had trouble making CC's main roster

Cleveland leaves Wisconsin for Colorado

gazette.com

* Very few 18 year olds play in the NCAA,.

Adultish NCAA hockey players - a problem?​

NCAA hockey has evolved tremendously over the past 20-30 years. The path for most college players now seems to be Junior A/B hockey, with many, many players playing Junior A until their eligibility runs out at age 20. Very few players go from a high school program directly into college.
This has led to significant age creep in NCAA players. There are currently only 36 NCAA players out of 3,875 who are 17 or 18 years old - the age when most students enter college, give or take. There are 106 who are 19 and 380 who are 20. Most players are 21 (945), 22 (936) and 23 (850). There are 507 players who are 24, 114 who are 25, and 1 who is 26 years old!
So it appears as though NCAA hockey players, on average, are about 4 years older than typical college students.

 

[Gniwder]

Brady should have spent another year in junior.* He went to Wisconsin to play for Granato and his asst, who were near immediately canned. He, and two others are now transferred.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/latest-news/prospect-roundup-brady-cleveland-seeking-larger-role-through-transfer-portal

https://badgerextra.com/sports/hockey/men/wisconsin-mens-hockey-transfer-portal-cleveland-lamaster/article_a7d23bf8-f07f-11ee-82fb-4f2ccc1cb563.html

CC hockey notebook: Tigers grab former Wisconsin defenseman in transfer portal; Serdachny had trouble making CC's main roster

Cleveland leaves Wisconsin for Colorado

gazette.com

* Very few 18 year olds play in the NCAA,.

Adultish NCAA hockey players - a problem?​

NCAA hockey has evolved tremendously over the past 20-30 years. The path for most college players now seems to be Junior A/B hockey, with many, many players playing Junior A until their eligibility runs out at age 20. Very few players go from a high school program directly into college.
This has led to significant age creep in NCAA players. There are currently only 36 NCAA players out of 3,875 who are 17 or 18 years old - the age when most students enter college, give or take. There are 106 who are 19 and 380 who are 20. Most players are 21 (945), 22 (936) and 23 (850). There are 507 players who are 24, 114 who are 25, and 1 who is 26 years old!
So it appears as though NCAA hockey players, on average, are about 4 years older than typical college students.

I'm guessing a lot of them are USHL or junior B players, like Hirose.

Still, it's disappointing for a second round pick to get healthy scratched and put up zero offense when he did get a chance to play. Didn't like the pick and still don't.

 

[heyfolks]

I'm guessing a lot of them are USHL or junior B players, like Hirose.

Still, it's disappointing for a second round pick to get healthy scratched and put up zero offense when he did get a chance to play. Didn't like the pick and still don't.

While I agree on the healthy scratch, he has never (and will never) put up points. What I don't like is this first step, because it indicates he is getting bad counsel. Everyone knew Granato was on his way out, but he signed anyway. Further, Hirose types at 22 are still a challenge for most 18 year-olds. He should have stuck in juniors. A tough course correct for a guy who needs every eligible game he can get to develop.

As for the pick, I have no idea why they drafted him at 47, when all indicators lead one to believe he would have been available at 147.

 

[Gniwder]

While I agree on the healthy scratch, he has never (and will never) put up points. What I don't like is this first step, because it indicates he is getting bad counsel. Everyone knew Granato was on his way out, but he signed anyway. Further, Hirose types at 22 are still a challenge for most 18 year-olds. He should have stuck in juniors. A tough course correct for a guy who needs every eligible game he can get to develop.

As for the pick, I have no idea why they drafted him at 47, when all indicators lead one to believe he would have been available at 147.

Yeah, at 147 this thread would have died pretty quick. This draft he waited until 144 to pick Whipple.

I don't think we're the only ones who've noticed Draper's picks (especially 2nd rounders) are putting up really low point numbers.

 

[heyfolks]

THIS is EXACTLY why Cleveland should have stayed in the USHL!

Fun Facts - Average Age​

	Team	Avg. Age​
1.	Stonehill	23y 2m​
2.	Lindenwood	23y 1m​
3.	St. Thomas	23y 0m​
4.	Niagara	22y 11m​
5.	Bowling Green	22y 10m​
6.	Bentley	22y 9m​
7.	Alaska-Anchorage	22y 8m​
8.	Long Island	22y 7m​
9.	Mercyhurst	22y 6m​
10.	Ferris State	22y 6m​
11.	Mass.-Lowell	22y 6m​
12.	Canisius	22y 6m​
13.	RIT	22y 6m​
14.	Army	22y 5m​
15.	Union	22y 5m​
16.	St. Lawrence	22y 5m​
17.	Augustana	22y 4m​
18.	Sacred Heart	22y 4m​
19.	Alaska	22y 4m​
20.	Colgate	22y 4m​
21.	American Int'l	22y 4m​
22.	Minnesota State	22y 4m​
23.	Northern Michigan	22y 3m​
24.	Robert Morris	22y 2m​
25.	Lake Superior	22y 2m​
26.	Clarkson	22y 2m​
27.	Bemidji State	22y 2m​
28.	New Hampshire	22y 1m​
29.	St. Cloud State	22y 0m​
30.	Brown	22y 0m​
31.	Miami	22y 0m​
32.	Rensselaer	21y 11m​
33.	Merrimack	21y 11m​
34.	Air Force	21y 11m​
35.	Vermont	21y 11m​
36.	Yale	21y 10m​
37.	Providence	21y 10m​
38.	Michigan Tech	21y 10m​
39.	Omaha	21y 10m​
40.	Holy Cross	21y 10m​
41.	Ohio State	21y 10m​
42.	Dartmouth	21y 9m​
43.	Princeton	21y 9m​
44.	Maine	21y 9m​
45.	Notre Dame	21y 8m​
46.	Wisconsin	21y 8m​
47.	Cornell	21y 8m​
48.	Western Michigan	21y 8m​
49.	Arizona State	21y 7m​
50.	Massachusetts	21y 7m​
51.	North Dakota	21y 6m​
52.	Connecticut	21y 6m​
53.	Northeastern	21y 5m​
54.	Minnesota-Duluth	21y 4m​
55.	Michigan	21y 3m​
56.	Harvard	21y 3m​
57.	Quinnipiac	21y 3m​
58.	Colorado College	21y 3m​
59.	Minnesota	21y 1m​
60.	Penn State	21y 1m​
61.	Boston University	20y 10m​
62.	Michigan State	20y 10m​
63.	Denver	20y 9m​
64.	Boston College	20y 7m​

Fun Facts - Team Average Age

Fun Facts - Team Average Age

www.collegehockeynews.com

 

[heyfolks]

BC has played in every game for Colorado College, is a +3, has 1 point, they are 9-2 and ranked #8.

I know, for some, the eulogy has been written, the grave dug and the head stone ordered but I still see this guy in Detroit. That move to Wisconsin was ill advised and he can ill afford a year's worth of development being only in practice, but that is behind him. He'll likely need all 3 years at CC and whatever remains as waiver exempt, contract, whatever in GR.

https://cctigers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/stats/2024-2025

“Cleveland shows as a bit of a solid but unspectacular defenseman who didn’t stand out in a positive or negative manner in this one. He saw very limited ice time as the team’s seventh defenseman, but still remained effective when hopping over the boards.”


“He’s a huge, long, mean, tough, and physical defenseman. He’s going to play in the NHL as a match, shut down that kills penalties and impacts games with his physicality and defending. He won’t be a guy that scores or points but he’s going to be a really valuable player in the NHL and will make highlights with his hitting.”

2023 NHL Draft Preview: Defenseman Brady Cleveland, USA

mayorsmanor.com

To use the famed language of former General Manager Dean Lombardi, Cleveland “checks a lot of boxes.” He plays left defense, has size, plays with grit, and provides a steadying presence on the blueline. While comparisons always need to be careful, it’s safe to consider roles a person is projected to play. In Cleveland’s case, there’s the potential he could grow into a left-handed version of Matt Greene.

2023 NHL Draft Preview: Defenseman Brady Cleveland, USA

mayorsmanor.com

 

[izlez]

BC has played in every game for Colorado College, is a +3, has 7 points, they are 9-2 and ranked #8.

While I'm a Brady supporter and am not overly concerned about his offense (there are plenty of defensive defenseman who only luck into points with cheap secondary assists and pucks bouncing off skates), our boy most certainly does not have 7 points this year.

 

[schuelma24]

While I'm a Brady supporter and am not overly concerned about his offense (there are plenty of defensive defenseman who only luck into points with cheap secondary assists and pucks bouncing off skates), our boy most certainly does not have 7 points this year.

Hey he was only off by 6! He does have A point.

 

[lilidk]

While I'm a Brady supporter and am not overly concerned about his offense (there are plenty of defensive defenseman who only luck into points with cheap secondary assists and pucks bouncing off skates), our boy most certainly does not have 7 points this year.

I could only wish Chiarot just played defense and not to carry the puck, or try to be offensive

 

[heyfolks]

While I'm a Brady supporter and am not overly concerned about his offense (there are plenty of defensive defenseman who only luck into points with cheap secondary assists and pucks bouncing off skates), our boy most certainly does not have 7 points this year.

You are correct. It is ONE 1 point. I corrected it. I was looking at SH in the stat colm.

 

[Gniwder]

While I'm a Brady supporter and am not overly concerned about his offense (there are plenty of defensive defenseman who only luck into points with cheap secondary assists and pucks bouncing off skates), our boy most certainly does not have 7 points this year.

Those secondary assists is an indication of being able to move the puck and pass. You know, skills a player needs to make the NHL. He needs to be putting up some points playing at a lower level, even the aforementioned Matt Greene put up 17 points in 40 games his D+2 season in college.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

So full disclosure: I know literally nothing about this prospect nor have I ever seen him play, and only know anything about based upon a quick scan of this thread

Looking at this kid, he's basically projected a 6'5+ 200+, 19yo Stay-At-Home with a nasty physical streak and likes to hit? So this is is a guy who should be what when he's 25? 230? And it sounds like he's a pretty good skater? Was part of the USNDP...which obviously he was chosen because of his defense and not that miserable point production...so his D must be pretty good?

This is not good...because why? Do we not want a giant, physical, stay-at-home?

 

[heyfolks]

I could only wish Chiarot just played defense and not to carry the puck, or try to be offensive

Ever since it was pointed out that he just does not think the game well, I see it on near every shift.

 

[heyfolks]

Those secondary assists is an indication of being able to move the puck and pass. You know, skills a player needs to make the NHL. He needs to be putting up some points playing at a lower level, even the aforementioned Matt Greene put up 17 points in 40 games his D+2 season in college.

Can we agree that his D+1 year was waste and this is his actual D+1? < He should have stayed in juniors for another year. I posted this up further ni the thread but less than 40 18 year olds play in the NCAA. He really doesn't have the skill set to be that exception. It was poor advise.

IF we can agree on that Matt had 4 points in his D+1.

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[norrisnick]

So full disclosure: I know literally nothing about this prospect nor have I ever seen him play, and only know anything about based upon a quick scan of this thread

Looking at this kid, he's basically projected a 6'5+ 200+, 19yo Stay-At-Home with a nasty physical streak and likes to hit? So this is is a guy who should be what when he's 25? 230? And it sounds like he's a pretty good skater? Was part of the USNDP...which obviously he was chosen because of his defense and not that miserable point production...so his D must be pretty good?

This is not good...because why? Do we not want a giant, physical, stay-at-home?

Because he has the puck handling of a goaltender. That's not going to cut it in the modern NHL. He'd fit right in to Lalonde's chip it out strategy... but that's not a winning strategy.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Because he has the puck handling of a goaltender. That's not going to cut it in the modern NHL. He'd fit right in to Lalonde's chip it out strategy... but that's not a winning strategy.

Got it, so he can't carry a puck. Is his passing equally as bad? Is it a lack of skill or acumen?

 

[norrisnick]

Got it, so he can't carry a puck. Is his passing equally as bad? Is it a lack of skill or acumen?

He may as well be using a goalie stick or no stick at all. He's a big body that hustles but that alone can only get you so far. Someone above posted Matt Greene in an attempt to raise hope for Brady but 1. Greene outproduced him at almost triple the rate in his draft year and 2. that was in 2002 when scoring was at almost half of what it is now for top end kids in Junior leagues and/or college.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

He may as well be using a goalie stick or no stick at all. He's a big body that hustles but that alone can only get you so far. Someone above posted Matt Greene in an attempt to raise hope for Brady but 1. Greene outproduced him at almost triple the rate in his draft year and 2. that was in 2002 when scoring was at almost half of what it is now for top end kids in Junior leagues and/or college.

What about Oleksiak? Hes huge and a stay at home and provides zero offense contribution. I remember him as a junior and he didn’t do anything offensively either? Or is Cleveland much like the real Cleveland - sad and broken beyond repair?

 

[Reddwit]

So full disclosure: I know literally nothing about this prospect nor have I ever seen him play, and only know anything about based upon a quick scan of this thread

Looking at this kid, he's basically projected a 6'5+ 200+, 19yo Stay-At-Home with a nasty physical streak and likes to hit? So this is is a guy who should be what when he's 25? 230? And it sounds like he's a pretty good skater? Was part of the USNDP...which obviously he was chosen because of his defense and not that miserable point production...so his D must be pretty good?

This is not good...because why? Do we not want a giant, physical, stay-at-home?

Who are we talking as a comp here? Gudas? Schenn? There aren’t many examples of that type in the NHL. Is it because they’re unicorns or is it that most guys that play this style just don’t make it in the bigs? I guess we’ll find out in a couple years.

 

[norrisnick]

What about Oleksiak? Hes huge and a stay at home and provides zero offense contribution. I remember him as a junior and he didn’t do anything offensively either? Or is Cleveland much like the real Cleveland - sad and broken beyond repair?

Oleksiak had 13 points in the NCAA the season before he was drafted.

People underestimate the offense of "no-offense" NHLers prior to getting to the show. To have a guy putting up goalie numbers in Juniors as a skater is hard to overcome as it shows a complete lack of any puck moving ability. Again, Gudas mentioned just above, 37 points his draft year.

 

[heyfolks]

So full disclosure: I know literally nothing about this prospect nor have I ever seen him play, and only know anything about based upon a quick scan of this thread

Looking at this kid, he's basically projected a 6'5+ 200+, 19yo Stay-At-Home with a nasty physical streak and likes to hit? So this is is a guy who should be what when he's 25? 230? And it sounds like he's a pretty good skater? Was part of the USNDP...which obviously he was chosen because of his defense and not that miserable point production...so his D must be pretty good?

This is not good...because why? Do we not want a giant, physical, stay-at-home?

If on were listening to the actions of the Wings management team for the past 25 years, the answer is yes, we do not want a giant, physical, stay-at-home defensemen.

Some of us fans, disagree. If he is in the corner, he can impact the dump and chase game. He can impact the pressure the D or forwards game. The big question is does he have the feet and stick skills (first pass) to play as you state. Some on here think he would be available in the 6th round, but that isn't where he was ranked. I don't know if he lasts until the 4th or 5th round, but the scouting reports I read didn't have him over 100. Yet, none of that matters today. He was drafted for the exact role you present. If that is 9-11 minutes a game on the PK and against the 4th line and keeping the flies off, it will have been a good pick.

 

[heyfolks]

Who are we talking as a comp here? Gudas? Schenn? There aren’t many examples of that type in the NHL. Is it because they’re unicorns or is it that most guys that play this style just don’t make it in the bigs? I guess we’ll find out in a couple years.

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