4 Nations Cup Discussion - Canada Wins

[Rare Jewel]

She couldn't bring herself to discuss the following tweet so went on rambling about "things..." LMAO

I'm surprised he has the time in his day to tweet when he should be blaming foreigners for all the snow we've been getting or whatever he does with himself nowadays.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I'd still pay him whatever he wants.

The question is... should he? He's been pretty invisible these past two games. I don't think he's looked good, and based on that ice time, Cooper agrees.

 

[ACC1224]

Ice time isn’t really an indication of anything. The game was over early and they pretty much rolled the lines.
Amount of shifts is more telling than ice time. I’m guessing it’s pretty close to even or else we’d be hearing about it.

 

[thewave]

Marner with second least time on ice, 12:46, just a few seconds more than Konecny. Expected playing with Cirelli and Hagel but wow Marner certainly has fallen in Coopers eyes.

If you watch him closely in video when he doesn't have the puck, you really get why.

 

[ACC1224]

The question is... should he? He's been pretty invisible these past two games. I don't think he's looked good, and based on that ice time, Cooper agrees.

 

[Zybalto]

Threads kinda dying.

This should perk it up:

Top 5 team Canada forwards for 5v5 xGF% today:
1. Point
2. McDavid
3. Marner
4. MacKinnon
5. Crosby

Carry on.....

Ice time isn’t really an indication of anything. The game was over early and they pretty much rolled the lines.
Amount of shifts is more telling than ice time. I’m guessing it’s pretty close to even or else we’d be hearing about it.

Marner was tied for the lowest amount of shifts in the game with Konecny at 19 but its a little deceiving. MacKinnon and Crosby had 20 shifts and McDavid had 21, etc.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Cirelli has 20 goals this year…

Bob Probert scored 29 for the Wings in 1987-88, does that make him a good offensive player? Cirelli doesn't belong on this team and Marner was saddled with him this game.

Threads kinda dying.

This should perk it up:

Top 5 team Canada forwards for 5v5 xGF% today:
1. Point
2. McDavid
3. Marner
4. MacKinnon
5. Crosby

Carry on.....





Marner was tied for the lowest amount of shifts in the game with Konecny at 19 but its a little deceiving. MacKinnon and Crosby had 20 shifts and McDavid had 21, etc.

I don't think we should be looking at shifts, Marner had quite a few very short shifts. That line was changed quickly if there was a play stoppage.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Threads kinda dying.

This should perk it up:

Top 5 team Canada forwards for 5v5 xGF% today:
1. Point
2. McDavid
3. Marner
4. MacKinnon
5. Crosby

Carry on.....



Marner was tied for the lowest amount of shifts in the game with Konecny at 19 but its a little deceiving. MacKinnon and Crosby had 20 shifts and McDavid had 21, etc.

LOL. I refuse to say a bad word about any member of Team Canada including Marner. I'll just say that xGF% is a useless stat when it comes to player evaluation. It's good for giving stat nerds something to do with their time and that's about it.

 

[wingman75]

Mitch had the second lowest ice time of Canadian forwards.

Lowest 5-on-5 at 10:43. I don't know that he deserved more. He's not playing the same game as the top end players which is more straight line and hitting the open spaces, his slow circular dipsy-do play doesn't really work.

He will still be on PP2 and get some PK time. It's clear he is not a go to guy on this team, and I would say raises some questions about his validity for the Olympic team next season.

All that said, I didn't mind his game. Low impact. But at the end of the day I couldn't care less how the Leafs' players actually perform... just wanting a Canada win.

 

[Zybalto]

Bob Probert scored 29 for the Wings in 1987-88, does that make him a good offensive player? Cirelli doesn't belong on this team and Marner was saddled with him this game.


I don't think we should be looking at shifts, Marner had quite a few very short shifts. That line was changed quickly if there was a play stoppage.

In the end, all the lines were pretty effective 5v5 (until they stopped skating near the end).

It's probably what we are going to be rolling with.

 

[crump]

Putting Point with McDavid was a good change. More of a shooter, not afraid to hit on the forcheck and seems a better fit. No shade on Marner, he’s scored a game winning goal and has been important on the PK. His line has short shifts more of a defensive- shift munching group until the big guns can come out again. Loved the Shithead line of Bennet, Marchand and Konecny

 

[Zybalto]

LOL. I refuse to say a bad word about any member of Team Canada including Marner. I'll just say that xGF% is a useless stat when it comes to player evaluation. It's good for giving stat nerds something to do with their time and that's about it.

Heh, I know the 1 game samples are pretty bad but just trying to trigger some of the folks here trying to ruin the atmosphere. I wouldnt call the stat useless (pretty good to look at seasons) but its still fun to throw out there.

 

[LaPlante94]

Threads kinda dying.

This should perk it up:

Top 5 team Canada forwards for 5v5 xGF% today:
1. Point
2. McDavid
3. Marner
4. MacKinnon
5. Crosby

Carry on.....





Marner was tied for the lowest amount of shifts in the game with Konecny at 19 but its a little deceiving. MacKinnon and Crosby had 20 shifts and McDavid had 21, etc.

4 of those 5 names actually got points too. I don't think the ice time is really that deceiving either. We were winning 4-0 so the bottom 6 got to play more. That McDavid line was the only line to play more than 16 mins. I don't think Marner has been bad at all because he has made some nice defensive plays. I think people are angry because we make players like Matthews and Marner the highest paid players in the league and the only things in this tournament we can say good about them is the defensive plays they made or someone will post saying they were top 5 on the team in expected GF percentage every game when they keep putting up 0 points. We're about to pay Marner 14 million most likely and he can't even produce when he got the chance to play with McDavid playing against tough competition.

If you're just trolling then fair enough, a little trolling doesn't hurt anybody.

 

[arso40]

I'm surprised he has the time in his day to tweet when he should be blaming foreigners for all the snow we've been getting or whatever he does with himself nowadays.

leave cherry alone bud

 

[ToneDog]

Marner with second least time on ice, 12:46, just a few seconds more than Konecny. Expected playing with Cirelli and Hagel but wow Marner certainly has fallen in Coopers eyes.

This place will explode if Cooper sits him in the final. At this point Jarvis would be the better choice if you are playing him on the 3rd or 4th lines IMO.

 

[Kurtz]

A 3 on 3 goal from a weak shot ? Doesn’t make us feel better about the playoffs at all like that was a joke right?

Lol, "weak shot" after beating the guy blocker high. Some of you haters need to touch grass.

 

[arso40]

Lol, "weak shot" after beating the guy blocker high. Some of you haters need to touch grass.

That was a hater comment can’t believe it went unanswered for that long lol good shot

 

[wingman75]

In the end, all the lines were pretty effective 5v5 (until they stopped skating near the end).

It's probably what we are going to be rolling with.

I am putting some of that on the coach (I think). It looked like he changed up the lines after FIN scored their first goal. It made a complete mess of things. Guys not knowing where eachother were going to be... Just run the lines out to the end. That was nonsensical (if that was what happened, else it was just partial line changes that got caught out there).

I didn't like the first goal against Binnington (again), very stoppable. Allowed the Finns to get some unwarranted momentum that tripped up Canada for a couple minutes.

I would say though, if Canada play's like that on Thursday, they will be in a good position to come away with the win if the goaltending can hold up.

 

[ToneDog]

That was a hater comment can’t believe it went unanswered for that long lol good shot

So you are saying, you are trolling?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Heh, I know the 1 game samples are pretty bad but just trying to trigger some of the folks here trying to ruin the atmosphere. I wouldnt call the stat useless (pretty good to look at seasons) but its still fun to throw out there.

I just don't believe in it. Useless might be too harsh, I'll amend it to close to useless. Good for evaluating team play though. And if you're just trying to trigger people, I can respect that I guess.

 

[Zybalto]

I just don't believe in it. Useless might be too harsh, I'll amend it to close to useless. Good for evaluating team play though.

Even with team play, small samples are iffy.

Stepping it down to players gets more complicated as you have to look at quality of teammates/opposition, zone starts, etc. but is it really a shock that Matthews, Marner and Knies are at the top of the xGF% for the Leafs and Dewar, Reaves and Holberg are at the bottom? Looks pretty accurate.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I'm surprised he has the time in his day to tweet when he should be blaming foreigners for all the snow we've been getting or whatever he does with himself nowadays.

I remember he knocked Sundin when he was traded here. Called out the French players and Europeans for wearing visors. The guy should have been riding to the arena in a horse and buggy, he was the most controversial, "love or hate him" man involved in hockey.

That said, he has some good tidbits about hockey no doubt, he coached one of the greatest players in history and he wasn't shy about his opinions, believing in free speech.

I always felt he was excessively overrated though but I allowed him latitude because of his support for the military. I had to grudgingly respect him for his support of soldiers. I also believe that Ron threw him under the bus when in the past Cherry stood up for Ron in a response to CBC or Molson (I forget now), that "if he goes (Ron), I go (Cherry)". With pressure from Molson, they capitulated and Ron stayed. He also loves Canada as witnessed by his defense of the Canadian Juniors after they were goaded into a fight against the Russians which cost them a shot at the gold medal.

I'm not my brothers keeper. He has his controversies and also moments of patriotism one can't ignore.

In a poll by CBC I believe, he was ranked 7th greatest Canadian of all time. Imagine that. A sports commentator the 7th greatest Canadian ever? I mean, wow. That wasn't exactly a vote of confidence on our inventors, visionaries and civil right fighters (where they exists at all)...

 

[IPS]

LOL. I refuse to say a bad word about any member of Team Canada including Marner. I'll just say that xGF% is a useless stat when it comes to player evaluation. It's good for giving stat nerds something to do with their time and that's about it.

Every year I"m always asking these stat nerds to use their expected stats and give me some predictions about who some potential breakout players could be.

They never do. The stats have zero predictive ability because they're garbage. Using them to fluff up players who everybody already knows are some of the best in the league is useless.

The main usage of those stats (atleast on this board) is to attempt to artificially elevate players beyond what they actually are. Really encouraging that less and less posters are falling for this bullshit nowadays.

 

[NVious]

I'd still pay him whatever he wants.

-Paul

 

[ULF_55]

Threads kinda dying.

This should perk it up:

Top 5 team Canada forwards for 5v5 xGF% today:
1. Point
2. McDavid
3. Marner
4. MacKinnon
5. Crosby

Carry on.....





Marner was tied for the lowest amount of shifts in the game with Konecny at 19 but its a little deceiving. MacKinnon and Crosby had 20 shifts and McDavid had 21, etc.

He still had ice time.
It isn't like he was benched.
And he helped kill off their one penalty.
These are the best Canadian players so nothing to be concerned with, along with finding the right combin ations.