They have to beat Finland in regulation. So its not exactly like a game 7 or a semis. Even OT heroics means they are likely done as Sweden will beat the US if they are staring at that chance Monday night.
4 Nations Cup Discussion - Canada Wins
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They must win in regulation to control thier own fate if head to head the first tie breaker.
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Yep.
Should be a good game.
Tied late I wonder if both teams go all out for the regulation win?
I personally wont care at that point and will bash these dumb tournament rules before shifting back to the Marner threads :-0
Need that snipe back though. He missed on one glorious one-timer
CabanaBoy5
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These two teams are evenly matched. For all the talk of how much better the US team is, and all the complaints about lineup selection and performance of some players, a decent goaltender would have given us a win and there'd be more talk of how Canada is still a better team than the US. But when Binnington allowed that terrible goal when Canada and the arena was buzzing, it opened the team to all kinds of questioning. Even the second goal should have been saved by a world class goalie. Where is the Price, Brodeur, Luongo, that is being developed now? I do agree more injection of youth (Bedard, Celebrini) and less older slower players (Marchand, Stone) would have benefitted us more given the uneven goaltending.
It mirrors hockey Canada’s roster selection at the WJC. USA have the better team top to bottom, they chose their best players and made it work from there. Canada still have the deeper roster, had they brought the best players. Too hyper focused on roles, overthinking it again.
I'm just curious. They'll each have 5 pts if I remember correctly. They did play head to head, I'm not sure what the first time breaker is. Guess it'd be the same state as Canada, so even if Sweden wins it seems like they need an OT game to advance
Yeah the chart above explains best. This might be a fine tune for Bettman if he plans to continue these every so often.need do or die semis not all this math. Plus czechs and another team (maybe Russia one day) gets added. Dont need to play all teams if it doesnt work out that way.
Three thoughts.....not necessarily popular....
- If you think Matthews and Marner are going to somehow magically transform into playoff dogs, look at this series. Both relatively invisible most of the time, as usual. I still believe letting Marner walk is rhe best option. No, we do not get nothing for him. We get 11 million on the free agent market.
- Binnington was weak last night. First goal was awful. It makes a huge difference. What happened to development of Canadian goalies?
- Watched hockey for almost 70 years, Played it about 50. The beginning of that game was embarrassing and stupid. Old-school nonsense. If you think this is going to sell hockey to the masses, they are laughing derisively at it. It was phenomenally stupid, Please, NHL< fine them for the planning.
I thought Schef was injured ?
Otherwise that's a big bone head decision to keep him off the roaster
ToneDog
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Not only does Shanny think that, he thinks they can win a Cup. Seriously, how much more of these 3 amigos do they need to see to realize they are never getting it done as a threesome making all the money?
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I thought from the beginning that Canada/US would split the two games against each other, I still believe that to be true.
MacKinnon was the biggest disappointment for me, he needs to be much better.
For the Leafs, Nylander has been the biggest disappointment of the 3 participating. Looks like he’d rather be somewhere else.
Monday against Finland should be great, Sweden/US meaningless
Still think this tournament should have followed the Memorial Cup format
MacKinnon was the biggest disappointment for me, he needs to be much better.
For the Leafs, Nylander has been the biggest disappointment of the 3 participating. Looks like he’d rather be somewhere else.
Monday against Finland should be great, Sweden/US meaningless
Still think this tournament should have followed the Memorial Cup format
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Matthews looked 100% capable of playing a deep hard nosed playoff series. He was excellent vs Canada and the only thing is he didn't score. Hockey wise he was great.
Marner is a write off to me at this point and Nylander needs to be used tactfully
Racer88
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Ultimately yes but I will watch it nonetheless.
It is a relatively entertaining spectacle but in the scheme of things it has very little meaning.
Maybe if it sticks around for a number of years, expands and creates some history but limited to only 4 teams kind of reduces its relevance
Ya well let’s see how hard Matthews plays when he is back to the Leafs
Tough to win 2 games against the same opponent in a tournament like this
Max looks like he did early in his career. All the talent, but like his legs and head are on different pages
The only thing that truly mirrors leafdom for me is that in a tight game with evenly matched rosters - 2 things can become difference makers:
1) Goalies - Too often our recent tending has let us down and when it comes down to "one shot" (like last night's game and every game 7 we've ever had), you need your goalie to prevent a softie. Didn't happen for us. Didn't happen last nite.
2) Your depth needs to produce - Superstars get cookies here and there, but in tight-checking games with evenly matched teams - it comes down to depth scoring to be "difference makers". That Tampa line of Point, Hagel and Cirelli are a great shutdown trio, but Coop played them far too much once we were down by a goal. Every time they were on was a sawing off of minutes, where you're NOT going to get the next goal. If anything felt Leafy, it was the David Kampf, Jarnkrok, Holmberg-level impotence of that shutdown line. The match-up games gotta go when you're down in the contest - and either spread those guys out across the lines or just find ways to double up on your top 6 gamebreakers. Conversely for the USA, who did the damage?? Their depth guys, in Guentzel and Larkin, of all people. We need some adaptability from the coach in-game.
1) Goalies - Too often our recent tending has let us down and when it comes down to "one shot" (like last night's game and every game 7 we've ever had), you need your goalie to prevent a softie. Didn't happen for us. Didn't happen last nite.
2) Your depth needs to produce - Superstars get cookies here and there, but in tight-checking games with evenly matched teams - it comes down to depth scoring to be "difference makers". That Tampa line of Point, Hagel and Cirelli are a great shutdown trio, but Coop played them far too much once we were down by a goal. Every time they were on was a sawing off of minutes, where you're NOT going to get the next goal. If anything felt Leafy, it was the David Kampf, Jarnkrok, Holmberg-level impotence of that shutdown line. The match-up games gotta go when you're down in the contest - and either spread those guys out across the lines or just find ways to double up on your top 6 gamebreakers. Conversely for the USA, who did the damage?? Their depth guys, in Guentzel and Larkin, of all people. We need some adaptability from the coach in-game.
thewave
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Finland isn't to be taken lightly. They could easily upset us.
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Tom Wilson should have been on this team. Oh and I'll add Hyman and probably Scheifele. Unless they are battling something, you don't just go with an EA Sports lineup.
These matchups are similar to Russia vs Canada all those years. They had the flash and Team Canada had flash but enough power forwards sprinkled in to keep the Russians on their toes.
Credit to Hagel and Bennett for standing up to be counted. Credit to JT Miller for going after a much bigger man. Takes some stones to do that regardless of what country you are representing.
These matchups are similar to Russia vs Canada all those years. They had the flash and Team Canada had flash but enough power forwards sprinkled in to keep the Russians on their toes.
Credit to Hagel and Bennett for standing up to be counted. Credit to JT Miller for going after a much bigger man. Takes some stones to do that regardless of what country you are representing.
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