GDT: #30 | Red Wings at Flyers | Thursday, December 12, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[Flyerfan4life]

OK, so what? Do you think they are "sucky," as claimed in the post I was replying to?

Do you think they are underperforming?

so ur just gunna avoid making eye contact with 6 reg wins...

 

[Beef Invictus]

OK, so what? Do you think they are "sucky," as claimed in the post I was replying to?

Do you think they are underperforming?

They are indeed pretty sucky, yes. They're basically built to game the current system.

They're ranked right in the middle of the league on points...but for regulation wins? Their company is the bottom teams of the league. It's an alarming disparity and at a faulty and imprecise glance, seems unique. Good, average, and even many below average and bad teams finish games more effectively and at a higher rate, and there's a closer (often even) correlation with their points standings. Flyers are being outliers, and that's not a thing I bank on as sustainable.

I don't see that as encouraging. So far it's a clear downgrade on last season results on that front , and their negative goal differential relative to similarly ranked teams is also ominous. I am concerned they will go into the TDL with a too-high opinion of how theyre performing.

Like always, the tea leaves seem to say that the usual second half collapse can be expected.

 

[DancingPanther]

Look at the best teams in the league, then look at the Flyers

Does anyone see any similarities?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Look at the best teams in the league, then look at the Flyers

Does anyone see any similarities?

The Avalanche and the Flyers are similar this year, so i'm told.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Now watching them, I don't think "this is worse than last year" at all. Not on net; there are differences, but overall The Team seems about equivalent in the big picture sum. But we know numerous teams kind of flopped hard last year, so a dip in team results may be attributable to a bunch of those teams being more normal. Maybe. I don't know. I'm tired.

Edit: I think their 3 shootout wins has them tied with Calgary for most in league (a confusing phenomenon), and looking at the standings I think that's the big difference. This is beginning to make more sense to me, but I'm still not going to hang any faith on shootout-driven results.

 

[kudymen]

Look at the best teams in the league, then look at the Flyers

Does anyone see any similarities?

Both beat the Red Wings

 

[ponder719]

Look at the best teams in the league, then look at the Flyers

Does anyone see any similarities?

They all have at least one person as exciting to watch as Matvei Michkov. Not every team is so fortunate.

 

[deadhead]

They are indeed pretty sucky, yes. They're basically built to game the current system.

They're ranked right in the middle of the league on points...but for regulation wins? Their company is the bottom teams of the league. It's an alarming disparity and at a faulty and imprecise glance, seems unique. Good, average, and even many below average and bad teams finish games more effectively and at a higher rate, and there's a closer (often even) correlation with their points standings. Flyers are being outliers, and that's not a thing I bank on as sustainable.

I don't see that as encouraging. So far it's a clear downgrade on last season results on that front , and their negative goal differential relative to similarly ranked teams is also ominous. I am concerned they will go into the TDL with a too-high opinion of how theyre performing.

Like always, the tea leaves seem to say that the usual second half collapse can be expected.

They were a playoff team going into the TDL last season and Briere still traded Walker.
I think he'll take the same approach this season, Torts has said they're still a few years from being a SC contender, and that seems to be the party line.

The collapse last year was a goalie collapse.
We'll see how Ersson/Kolosov play the rest of the way, but no reason Ersson will be overworked like last season.

They've been red hot at 5x5 since Vegas, when Torts put the current lines together.
PP, PK suck and goalies were below average during that stretch.
Easy schedule, but there's also a lot of potential for improvement.

The Avalanche and the Flyers are similar this year, so i'm told.

Colorado 16 in point % at .548, Flyers at 18 with .533.
Colorado goalies +0.49
Flyer goalies +0.39
So not that far apart this season, eh?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

They were ripping Detroit and Montreal on The Power play on the NHL channel on Sirius XM

 

[Beef Invictus]

so ur just gunna avoid making eye contact with 6 reg wins...

7!

 

[Beef Invictus]

They were a playoff team going into the TDL last season and Briere still traded Walker.
I think he'll take the same approach this season, Torts has said they're still a few years from being a SC contender, and that seems to be the party line.

The collapse last year was a goalie collapse.
We'll see how Ersson/Kolosov play the rest of the way, but no reason Ersson will be overworked like last season.

They've been red hot at 5x5 since Vegas, when Torts put the current lines together.
PP, PK suck and goalies were below average during that stretch.
Easy schedule, but there's also a lot of potential for improvement.


Colorado 16 in point % at .548, Flyers at 18 with .533.
Colorado goalies +0.49
Flyer goalies +0.39
So not that far apart this season, eh?

He only traded walker because he had no choice because walker wouldn't sign for an amount they could afford. They wanted to keep him. They bought, and signed or held all their other optional and valuable pieces. Then they missed the playoffs anyway. They whiffed on evaluation and their decisions.

They're in position to do so again. This troubles me. It will badly damage my current enjoyment, but for their own future good they'd be better off losing outright instead of in OT or winning SOs so that they don't have room to whiff.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They were ripping Detroit and Montreal on The Power play on the NHL channel on Sirius XM

Good

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He only traded walker because he had no choice because walker wouldn't sign for an amount they could afford. They wanted to keep him. They bought, and signed or held all their other optional and valuable pieces. Then they missed the playoffs anyway. They whiffed on evaluation and their decisions.

They're in position to do so again. This troubles me. It will badly damage my current enjoyment, but for their own future good they'd be better off losing outright instead of in OT or winning SOs so that they don't have room to whiff.

How are they going to do the same approach as last year if they don’t have any UFA’s to be? So I guess that means they’re just going to do nothing at the trade deadline.

They could have had Hathaway but they couldn’t help themselves with that.

 

[deadhead]

How are they going to do the same approach as last year if they don’t have any UFA’s to be? So I guess that means they’re just going to do nothing at the trade deadline.

They could have had Hathaway but they couldn’t help themselves with that.

What were they offered for Hathaway?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What were they offered for Hathaway?

Why would you ask that question?

 

[deadhead]

Why would you ask that question?

Because those "viable pieces" probably weren't worth much.
If all you're offered is a 5th for example, player may have more value to provide a better environment for player development.
If you're offered a 2nd, that's a different story.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Because those "viable pieces" probably weren't worth much.
If all you're offered is a 5th for example, player may have more value to provide a better environment for player development.
If you're offered a 2nd, that's a different story.

You take any pick and then sign him again in the offseason if you really want him.

Same thing they could have done with Walker. Same thing they could have done with Laughton. Same thing they could have done with Giroux.

If Hathaway prices his way out of being a Flyer then so be it. It doesn’t matter.

That’s what a rebuilding team would do but instead the Flyers build from the bottom of the lineup out.

 

[deadhead]

You take any pick and then sign him again in the offseason if you really want him.

Same thing they could have done with Walker. Same thing they could have done with Laughton. Same thing they could have done with Giroux.

If Hathaway prices his way out of being a Flyer then so be it. It doesn’t matter.

That’s what a rebuilding team would do but instead the Flyers build from the bottom of the lineup out.

No, in the offseason there are 31 other teams that might sign that player, you can't assume you can resign them, it rarely happens.

Giroux was a special case.

Every rebuilding team has more over 30 players starting for them than the Flyers.
Partially so they don't have to rush prospects, partially to give prospects someone experienced with whom to play.

It doesn't make sense to trade Hathaway for a 5th, then sign some one like him in the offseason who might no be as good as a fit in the locker room. The return is too small to make it worthwhile.

You take that kind of return for a player you'd get rid of in any case (MacEwen, Hayes, TDA).

 

[freakydallas13]

They were a playoff team going into the TDL last season and Briere still traded Walker.

The "rebuilding" team brought in a rental at the deadline. Plus, they only traded Walker because they didn't have enough room to re-sign him; their first priority was clearly to try and bring Walker back.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No, in the offseason there are 31 other teams that might sign that player, you can't assume you can resign them, it rarely happens.

Giroux was a special case.

Every rebuilding team has more over 30 players starting for them than the Flyers.
Partially so they don't have to rush prospects, partially to give prospects someone experienced with whom to play.

It doesn't make sense to trade Hathaway for a 5th, then sign some one like him in the offseason who might no be as good as a fit in the locker room. The return is too small to make it worthwhile.

You take that kind of return for a player you'd get rid of in any case (MacEwen, Hayes, TDA).

No one is assuming that you can re-sign them.

A Hathaway or a Laughton isn’t the type of player that matters if they price themselves out and don’t want to come back. You move on. The fact that the Flyers view that type of players as being irreplaceable is part of the reason they’re where they are.

They’re rebuilding. Bring a league minimum or slightly above that player to fill their roles if it comes to that or sign a similar player and rinse and repeat.

The goal is to build a team for when Michkov is in his prime for the organization to compete.