GDT: #30 | Red Wings at Flyers | Thursday, December 12, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

Beef Invictus

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OK, so what? Do you think they are "sucky," as claimed in the post I was replying to?

Do you think they are underperforming?

They are indeed pretty sucky, yes. They're basically built to game the current system.

They're ranked right in the middle of the league on points...but for regulation wins? Their company is the bottom teams of the league. It's an alarming disparity and at a faulty and imprecise glance, seems unique. Good, average, and even many below average and bad teams finish games more effectively and at a higher rate, and there's a closer (often even) correlation with their points standings. Flyers are being outliers, and that's not a thing I bank on as sustainable.

I don't see that as encouraging. So far it's a clear downgrade on last season results on that front , and their negative goal differential relative to similarly ranked teams is also ominous. I am concerned they will go into the TDL with a too-high opinion of how theyre performing.

Like always, the tea leaves seem to say that the usual second half collapse can be expected.
 
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Beef Invictus

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Now watching them, I don't think "this is worse than last year" at all. Not on net; there are differences, but overall The Team seems about equivalent in the big picture sum. But we know numerous teams kind of flopped hard last year, so a dip in team results may be attributable to a bunch of those teams being more normal. Maybe. I don't know. I'm tired.

Edit: I think their 3 shootout wins has them tied with Calgary for most in league (a confusing phenomenon), and looking at the standings I think that's the big difference. This is beginning to make more sense to me, but I'm still not going to hang any faith on shootout-driven results.
 
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deadhead

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They are indeed pretty sucky, yes. They're basically built to game the current system.

They're ranked right in the middle of the league on points...but for regulation wins? Their company is the bottom teams of the league. It's an alarming disparity and at a faulty and imprecise glance, seems unique. Good, average, and even many below average and bad teams finish games more effectively and at a higher rate, and there's a closer (often even) correlation with their points standings. Flyers are being outliers, and that's not a thing I bank on as sustainable.

I don't see that as encouraging. So far it's a clear downgrade on last season results on that front , and their negative goal differential relative to similarly ranked teams is also ominous. I am concerned they will go into the TDL with a too-high opinion of how theyre performing.

Like always, the tea leaves seem to say that the usual second half collapse can be expected.
They were a playoff team going into the TDL last season and Briere still traded Walker.
I think he'll take the same approach this season, Torts has said they're still a few years from being a SC contender, and that seems to be the party line.

The collapse last year was a goalie collapse.
We'll see how Ersson/Kolosov play the rest of the way, but no reason Ersson will be overworked like last season.

They've been red hot at 5x5 since Vegas, when Torts put the current lines together.
PP, PK suck and goalies were below average during that stretch.
Easy schedule, but there's also a lot of potential for improvement.

The Avalanche and the Flyers are similar this year, so i'm told.
Colorado 16 in point % at .548, Flyers at 18 with .533.
Colorado goalies +0.49
Flyer goalies +0.39
So not that far apart this season, eh?
 

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They were a playoff team going into the TDL last season and Briere still traded Walker.
I think he'll take the same approach this season, Torts has said they're still a few years from being a SC contender, and that seems to be the party line.

The collapse last year was a goalie collapse.
We'll see how Ersson/Kolosov play the rest of the way, but no reason Ersson will be overworked like last season.

They've been red hot at 5x5 since Vegas, when Torts put the current lines together.
PP, PK suck and goalies were below average during that stretch.
Easy schedule, but there's also a lot of potential for improvement.


Colorado 16 in point % at .548, Flyers at 18 with .533.
Colorado goalies +0.49
Flyer goalies +0.39
So not that far apart this season, eh?

He only traded walker because he had no choice because walker wouldn't sign for an amount they could afford. They wanted to keep him. They bought, and signed or held all their other optional and valuable pieces. Then they missed the playoffs anyway. They whiffed on evaluation and their decisions.

They're in position to do so again. This troubles me. It will badly damage my current enjoyment, but for their own future good they'd be better off losing outright instead of in OT or winning SOs so that they don't have room to whiff.
 

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He only traded walker because he had no choice because walker wouldn't sign for an amount they could afford. They wanted to keep him. They bought, and signed or held all their other optional and valuable pieces. Then they missed the playoffs anyway. They whiffed on evaluation and their decisions.

They're in position to do so again. This troubles me. It will badly damage my current enjoyment, but for their own future good they'd be better off losing outright instead of in OT or winning SOs so that they don't have room to whiff.
How are they going to do the same approach as last year if they don’t have any UFA’s to be? So I guess that means they’re just going to do nothing at the trade deadline.

They could have had Hathaway but they couldn’t help themselves with that.
 

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