Proposal: 3 way goalie carousel

[Canuck Luck]

The basis of this deal was to get Detroit out of their cap crunch all the while making sure Miller waives his NTC.

To Anaheim:
Ryan Miller (3M retained)

Cap in: 3M
Cap out: 3M (Bernier)

Why Anaheim does this: They get the best goalie in the deal. They also don't pick up any extra commitment in years or cap hit. The upgrade and stability in net costs them a measily 5th round pick for helping to facilitate the deal as Miller most likely would not waive to go to Detroit.

To Detroit:
Jonathan Bernier (1.15M retained)

Cap in: 3M
Cap out: 3.75M (Howard)

Why Detroit does this: They get out of most of that brutal Howard contract and replace him with a similar level goalie who's contract is up after this season. They currently have 4M in cap space after putting Franzen and Vitale on LTRI and calling up a 7th dman.

They still have to re-sign Mzarek still who should command most if not all of that cap space. This gives them some breathing room up against the cap with an additional 750k in cap space for this season. More importantly, it gives them 3.1M in cap space the following season after replacing Bernier with Coreau.

The cost? A first round pick. Not that high seeing how the cost of moving 1 year of Bickell was Teravainen (value 10-15th overall pick), while Chicago got back the 50th overall pick in an extremely weak draft, and what should be a late 3rd (their own) in this upcoming draft.

To Vancouver:
Jimmy Howard (1,541,667M retained)
Ducks 2016 5th round pick
Detroit 2016 1st round pick

Cap in: 3.75M
Cap out: 3M (Miller)

Why Vancouver does this: Although they lose 750k in cap space this season, they get a veteran back up for the next couple seasons at meh cap hit. They also can easily afford Jimmy Howard at 3.75M they still have 17M in cap space for next season with only Horvat and Hutton needing big raises. The following season gets even better cap wise for the Canucks as The Sedins (if they decide to return) will most likely need to take paycuts, and Sbisa is off the books which more than covers Hansen, Virtanen, and Baerstchi's raises.

It also allows them to slow cook Demko by not rushing him into the NHL after 1-2 years in the minors. This gives him 3 seasons in the minors unless he proves by the 3rd he deserves to be in the NHL. If that happens I'm sure a team would be willing to take Howard at 2M for one season if the Canucks retain 1.75M.

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[Jumptheshark]

Makes no sense for everyone to retain

 

[MMC]

I guess?

 

[Seatoo]

Uhhh sure? Dim Jim probably throws in a 2nd just because but sure!

 

[Canuck Luck]

Makes no sense for everyone to retain

Anaheim essentially isn't retaining anything, it's just done to make the transaction work cap wise fpr Detroit. Bernier costs Anaheim 4.15M. Miller + the retainment on bernier add up to 4.15M.

Only reason for Anaheim to even do this is because it doesn't affect their cap at all and the cost in assets to upgrade goalies is marginal. So salary on Miller has to be retained otherwise they say no.

No team is going to take on Howard's full contract without a huge +++ coming with it. It's 3 years of 5.2M for an average backup at this point. If 1 year of bickell at 4M cost the Hawks teravainen. I can only guess Howard's full contract costs Mantha + a 1st minimum. Detroit HAS to retain to make the cost in assets platable.

Now if Detroit retains salary on Howard, they can't afford a bigger cap hit coming in than the one going out which is why Anaheim has to retain on bernier. AGAIN it doesn't do anything to anaheims cap situation.

Vancouver retains to get the assets coming to them in the deal. If they don't, there's no way they move Miller.

 

[xxxx]

I don't see why this would be bad. Even if it might not be perfect (what is), it's definitely solid proposal.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Anaheim doesn't care about cap hits as they are a budget team anyways. All that actually matters is salary and they can't afford to invest any extra money in a goaltender with the big holes at forward. Bernier at 2.1 >>>>>>>>> Miller at 3 + retention on Bernier.

 

[Iceman]

Wait... what? Why are Detroit giving up a 1st?

 

[Vipers31]

With the Ducks concerns being focussed on the real money, spending $2M more in actual salaries to upgrade the backup spot isn't much of an option given the RFA signings and further hole-filling we have left to do.

 

[StevenDean]

There is really no reason for Anaheim to be in this trade. First they won't take on the extra salary so forget that, and second why not just do a Miller for Howard proposal? Detroit gets a better goalie and they dump the long term salary.



The only issue there is that Detroit needs to dump cap to afford Mrazek so Vancouver will have to eat half of Miller's contract which honestly is insane that Vancouver does this unless they really need Howard which I do not think they do. Also Detroit would have to throw in something significant to make Vancouver eat this salary which again may be more costly then just potentially losing Howard to expansion (which they probably prefer).

For Detroit unless Vancouver does Miller(50%) for Howard straight up I don't see this happening.

 

[Cor]

I wish the Leafs could have traded Bernier for Howard and a 1st.

Instead we got a conditional 5th

Almost like he isn't worth Howard and a 1st

 

[Exit Dose]

With the Ducks concerns being focussed on the real money, spending $2M more in actual salaries to upgrade the backup spot isn't much of an option given the RFA signings and further hole-filling we have left to do.

Yeah, there's just no reason for Anaheim to even consider this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The basis of this deal was to get Detroit out of their cap crunch all the while making sure Miller waives his NTC.

To Anaheim:
Ryan Miller (3M retained)

Cap in: 3M
Cap out: 3M (Bernier)

Why Anaheim does this: They get the best goalie in the deal. They also don't pick up any extra commitment in years or cap hit. The upgrade and stability in net costs them a measily 5th round pick for helping to facilitate the deal as Miller most likely would not waive to go to Detroit.

To Detroit:
Jonathan Bernier (1.15M retained)

Cap in: 3M
Cap out: 3.75M (Howard)

Why Detroit does this: They get out of most of that brutal Howard contract and replace him with a similar level goalie who's contract is up after this season. They currently have 4M in cap space after putting Franzen and Vitale on LTRI and calling up a 7th dman.

They still have to re-sign Mzarek still who should command most if not all of that cap space. This gives them some breathing room up against the cap with an additional 750k in cap space for this season. More importantly, it gives them 3.1M in cap space the following season after replacing Bernier with Coreau.

The cost? A first round pick. Not that high seeing how the cost of moving 1 year of Bickell was Teravainen (value 10-15th overall pick), while Chicago got back the 50th overall pick in an extremely weak draft, and what should be a late 3rd (their own) in this upcoming draft.

To Vancouver:
Jimmy Howard (1,541,667M retained)
Ducks 2016 5th round pick
Detroit 2016 1st round pick

Cap in: 3.75M
Cap out: 3M (Miller)

Why Vancouver does this: Although they lose 750k in cap space this season, they get a veteran back up for the next couple seasons at meh cap hit. They also can easily afford Jimmy Howard at 3.75M they still have 17M in cap space for next season with only Horvat and Hutton needing big raises. The following season gets even better cap wise for the Canucks as The Sedins (if they decide to return) will most likely need to take paycuts, and Sbisa is off the books which more than covers Hansen, Virtanen, and Baerstchi's raises.

It also allows them to slow cook Demko by not rushing him into the NHL after 1-2 years in the minors. This gives him 3 seasons in the minors unless he proves by the 3rd he deserves to be in the NHL. If that happens I'm sure a team would be willing to take Howard at 2M for one season if the Canucks retain 1.75M.

I believe you meant 2017 1st round pick, We already used up the 2016 picks. Detroit's not retaining $1.5 million on Howard's contract and then sending a 2017 1st rounder just to shed that contract that makes absolutely zero sense for Detroit will never happen if we're moving our 1st it would be for a like a signed Shattenkirk or Trouba for a D man that helps us now not to shed Howard's contract no way is that happening.

 

[Oddbob]

How the heck does Vancouver get a first for Ryan Miller, plus a capable NHL netminder and a 5th? Miller is equal to Jimmy Howard at this point. Plus Detroit has to retain money on the deal? Detroit wouldn't even give a 1st with no money retained. The Wings before the cap era, gave up first round picks all the time, but they keep them all now, especially not giving it away in deal like this.

People are overdoing how bad Howard is. His contract is terrible, but if he gets a chance to start, he will perform just like all the other average starters out there. His play slipped because of injury two years ago and last year, he never got more than a couple games in a row, for the most part. He plays better when he plays everyday, and could be a help to a lower ranked team.

 

[StevenDean]

How the heck does Vancouver get a first for Ryan Miller, plus a capable NHL netminder and a 5th? Miller is equal to Jimmy Howard at this point. Plus Detroit has to retain money on the deal? Detroit wouldn't even give a 1st with no money retained. The Wings before the cap era, gave up first round picks all the time, but they keep them all now, especially not giving it away in deal like this.

People are overdoing how bad Howard is. His contract is terrible, but if he gets a chance to start, he will perform just like all the other average starters out there. His play slipped because of injury two years ago and last year, he never got more than a couple games in a row, for the most part. He plays better when he plays everyday, and could be a help to a lower ranked team.

That's the thing. Howard can be moved but with no salary retention Detroit is likely getting a short term (1-2 years) bad contract in the $2M-$4M range and a low round pick. If Detroit eats $1.5M though then Howard's contract becomes better than James Reimer and is easily worth full value for a low end starter or high end 1B.

This deal wasn't thought through, only Vancouver won the deal. Everyone else lost and Detroit missed out on a primo dinner and movie before getting screwed.

 

[Tatar Shots]

So Detroit saves 1.3 million, gets a worse goalie, and loses a 1st round pick. Yea... Sign me up.

 

[drw02]

Terrible for Detroit, The Howard contract is not even close to being bad enough to give away a 1st that could very well be a lottery pick. They'd buy out Howard well before they made a deal like this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So Holland eats $1.5 million of Howard's contract for the next 3 years, And then also surrenders a 2017 1st round pick to move said contract. Obviously you don't know Holland very well. Holland wouldn't move a 1st rounder even if he wasn't retaining any salary and he's definitely not moving the 1st rounder while retaining salary that would never ever happen in a million years.