Post-Game Talk: #3 - 1/19/21 | Devils @ Rangers

[chosen]

Lias disappointed me quite a bit with the way he handled himself. But it would be incredibly foolish to assume the results would have been the same under a different coach.

And I completely disagree that a coach can’t ruin a players career. That’s like saying, a parent can’t ruin a child’s life.

I understand good parents can raise bad children, and vice versa, but a coach can definitely have a severe impact on a players development. I’ll leave it at that because I think we’ve exhausted the whole Quinn/Lias situation.

Im just calling out some of the trends I’m seeing with Quinn and I have ultimately lost faith and trust in him.

Tell me how you quantify a coach ruining a kid's career.

If kid works out, coach did a good job?

If kid doesn't, coach did a bad job?

This makes zero sense to me and I assure you that there is no way you could ever prove your assertion.

Crosby would be great, no matter the coach.

It wouldn't have mattered who coached Lias Anderson. If it was a coach's fault that Anderson wasn't good, the next coach would make him much better.

Talent and effort is infinitely more important to a career of a player than a coach.

You have a theory that I've heard many times, yet there is zero evidence to back it up.

By the time a kid gets to the NHL, he is what he is. He can improve defensively. He can get better if he grows, fills out, matures etc,., but a coach ruining a kid is impossible to prove.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It’s more lopsided in plenty of places. EDM PP1 gets almost 100% of the ice time.

The Oilers have 3 and a half good players.

 

[SA16]

The Oilers have 3 and a half good players.

And that usage led to one of the best PPs in league history. Which it certainly wouldn’t have been if they ran it otherwise.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Is it me or do our players have slow first and second steps? Even Panarin, and who I also notice likes to curl back before going up ice. AV's teams played pond hockey but at least they played it fast and had a transition game. Now they play pond hockey but are slow doing it, and that's not a good combo.

They are not a slow team they are just playing a little slow if that makes sense. I have said it a million times but it's going to take another week or 2 before we see their best.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And that usage led to one of the best PPs in league history. Which it certainly wouldn’t have been if they ran it otherwise.

ywah and when we have McDavid and Drai here we can run that unit out for the full 2.

we don’t. And it’s not like our top unit is killing it right now. They’ve been pretty mediocre.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Georgiev was terrible and Blackwood was good. That was the game really. Igor is the better goalie. He showed that last year and he will again this year. We are a better team by playing him and TDA. JJ should be benched.

@SA16 told me Georgiev was now the starter and Igor was the backup who we should trade in a couple of years because of their starts the first 3 games.

 

[bl02]

And people wanted Kravtsov here this season lol. Please kid stay in the KHL until 2022-2023.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well if you sit DeAngelo out it's going to hurt this team's transition game. Especially when Jack Johnson is getting significant minutes.

The team looks like it did in the bubble, they look slower and not as sharp, they need to snap out of it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

@SA16 told me Georgiev was now the starter and Igor was the backup who we should trade in a couple of years because of their starts the first 3 games.

He should give up his day job and become a comedian.

 

[will1066]

Well if you sit DeAngelo out it's going to hurt this team's transition game. Especially when Jack Johnson is getting significant minutes.

I get you. But what I actually want to say is I wish we stopped playing this shitty puck pressure/pond hockey because we think we can out-talent other teams, and play a soft trap instead. It would help the kids along by giving them some structure. We're not that good. We either don't have the horses or the horses we think we have are not there yet. I keep seeing teams beat us on our offensive zone pinches and skate through the middle zone unimpeded. Playing puck pressure leaves us with atrocious gap control.

 

[SA16]

ywah and when we have McDavid and Drai here we can run that unit out for the full 2.

we don’t. And it’s not like our top unit is killing it right now. They’ve been pretty mediocre.

Yea instead of McDavid and Draisaitl we only had the fourth leading scoring in the NHL and the league leader in goals/game (who also happens to have the 5th most PPG the last 3 years despite over 100 minutes less than everyone above him)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

@SA16 told me Georgiev was now the starter and Igor was the backup who we should trade in a couple of years because of their starts the first 3 games.

You fell for this? Hahaha

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Is there anything on Mika? Is it a concussion for sure?

 

[SA16]

@SA16 told me Georgiev was now the starter and Igor was the backup who we should trade in a couple of years because of their starts the first 3 games.

The first part was obviously a joke and it’s truly hilarious you fail to notice that.

However I absolutely stand by the fact that Igor should be bridged and then traded and not given a long term deal for a lot of money.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Tell me how you quantify a coach ruining a kid's career.

If kid works out, coach did a good job?

If kid doesn't, coach did a bad job?

This makes zero sense to me and I assure you that there is no way you could ever prove your assertion.

Crosby would be great, no matter the coach.

It wouldn't have mattered who coached Lias Anderson. If it was a coach's fault that Anderson wasn't good, the next coach would make him much better.

Talent and effort is infinitely more important to a career of a player than a coach.

You have a theory that I've heard many times, yet there is zero evidence to back it up.

By the time a kid gets to the NHL, he is what he is. He can improve defensively. He can get better if he grows, fills out, matures etc,., but a coach ruining a kid is impossible to prove.

I don’t blame Quinn entirely for what happened with Lias. I thought I made that clear by saying I was disappointed with the way Lias handled himself.

But you can’t tell me that, if you simulated Lias’s start to his career, 10 different times with 10 different coaches, the results would have been identical. No f***ing way.

A coach can have a huge impact on a young players development. Good and Bad. I give a shit load of credit to Quinn for being able to develop ADA into the player we saw last season.

I’m not confident we’ll see those results though with guys like Kakko and Gauthier. And that’s why I brought up the fact that players respond differently.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You fell for this? Hahaha

What do you mean? That was his argument. If it was a joke it wasn't really all that funny.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is there anything on Mika? Is it a concussion for sure?

no and no.

I don’t think it’s a concussion just from the way he skated off but we didn’t exactly have a good angle.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The first part was obviously a joke and it’s truly hilarious you fail to notice that.

However I absolutely stand by the fact that Igor should be bridged and then traded and not given a long term deal for a lot of money.

Jokes are supposed to be funny, but ok.

 

[bl02]

As someone pointed out, it’s not the ES usage. It’s the fact that Strome is burning 8 minutes of PP time a game doing nothing.

It's unreal at this point. He basically is the decoy like in a bad way tho. Standing along the far boards while Fox and Panarin try to create something. And he isn't anything special at faceoffs either.

 

[SA16]

Jokes are supposed to be funny, but ok.

Ever heard of the word “sarcasm?”

It doesn’t necessarily imply humor.

 

[Boris Zubov]

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[LOFIN]

By the time a kid gets to the NHL, he is what he is.

Disagreed. Massively.

There's still a huge learning process for young players coming to the league. With some who come later, it might take them a couple of years.

If you enter the league after your draft or D+1, I'd say it takes about 3-4 years for you to become pretty much what you are as a player. With players who come in older, it might take less but even they are rarely ready NHL'ers in their rookie years.

Just speaking from a Finnish perspective. Laine is not the player he was in his rookie year. Rantanen, is not the player he was in his rookie year. Aho, is not the player who he was in his rookie year.

After all, there are not many McDavids who are top players from the beginning.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What do you mean? That was his argument. If it was a joke it wasn't really all that funny.

dude @SA16 gives @Thirty One a run for his money every now and then.

 

[will1066]

They are not a slow team they are just playing a little slow if that makes sense. I have said it a million times but it's going to take another week or 2 before we see their best.

Yes it makes sense. They are not fast as a team currently. But the slow first couple of steps from our players still bothers me.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ever heard of the word “sarcasm?”

It doesn’t necessarily imply humor.

Sarcasm would have been "Shesterkin is a GREAT starter worth starter money". That wasn't sarcasm but ok. Not going to continue this silly conversation.