Post-Game Talk: #3 - 1/19/21 | Devils @ Rangers

[Fvital92]

No Chytil and Kakko have been looked together year make them the second line and put them with Bread or Laf

The only way they will be in fact the 2nd line is if they play with Panarin. Until Chytil's goal, they were the 4th line on ice time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

second units are consistently significantly less efficient than first units. They don’t need to get ice time unless the guys for the first unit were on the ice when the penalty was drawn.

It's not this lopsided pretty much anywhere but here.

Like late in a game down by 1, fine. But if your top unit is playing 2 minutes, that means that they aren't exactly doing their job either.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah but thats still problematic.

I disagree in the long-run. The philosophy of playing your top-6 more is not a bad one, but our biggest issue is that Strome (and Panarin if we want to go there) have both been bad to start the year. Strome has been worse than bad, but I'll be nice and leave it at that. I'm just happy there's only one year left on their deal, and that we were smart and did not reward him with a long-term deal.

Right, most of these problems boil down to the fact that we should run two powerplay units like the other 30 teams are doing.

No, we shouldn't. That unit was the best in the league last year from January onward and they deserved a chance to keep it going. The biggest change that needs to be made is moving Strome out of the right circle and utilizing a LHS in a scheme like I wrote earlier in this thread. That LHS should be Buchnevich based on these last three games. I'm fine with either of Tony or Fox running the point, but Quinn would actually need to play Tony and not Jack Johnson to make that possible.

If we want to run a second unit, run this deployment. You can't utilize the additional RHS advantage, but it'll still work fine, IMO. Strome is listed as a bumper in this scenario to allow Lafreniere to run the unit off of the left wall. Plus, I trust Chytil more at the netmouth to get Kakko the puck on the right side more than Strome in that same spot:
Chytil
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Fox/Tony

 

[FIRE DRURY]

So, you were okay with him before this season started. That's fair, but most here disagree with you.

I don’t think most peoples decision comes abruptly. I was pro-Quinn despite having some concerns with his decision making.

I think he completely mishandled ADA after our awful 1st game, especially considering he was one of our better dmen. The misconduct was a weak ass call, and the penalty did not affect the outcome of the game. Quinn then makes another idiotic decision scratching him a second game.

He overplayed an ice cold Strome today who was hot garbage all game long, yet barely gave any ice time to both Kakko and Gauthier after they both had strong 1st periods.

The droplets of doubt have filled the glass for me. I’m not confident that Quinn will develop our young kids to their fullest potential. His approach worked developing ADA, but not Lias. And so far, not Kakko.

A successful coach needs to realize players respond differently to coaching styles, and it’s his job to find that balance. Quinn’s MO is my way or the highway. He’s a younger version of Torts, minus the attitude and explosive temper.

 

[will1066]

Late or in this game?

Because KK did not look like shit in this game in the slightest.

Im talking the tail end of that PP late in the game

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You can’t just give people more ice time without taking ice time away from other players.

Yeah thats kind of what I'm getting at.

Playing the top unit for almost the full 2 minute every time out is stupid.

 

[Ghost of jas]

You can’t just give people more ice time without taking ice time away from other players.

I know one player who needs his ice time taken away...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I disagree in the long-run. The philosophy of playing your top-6 more is not a bad one, but our biggest issue is that Strome (and Panarin if we want to go there) have both been bad to start the year. Strome has been worse than bad, but I'll be nice and leave it at that. I'm just happy there's only one year left on their deal, and that we were smart and did not reward him with a long-term deal.



No, we shouldn't. That unit was the best in the league last year from January onward and they deserved a chance to keep it going. The biggest change that needs to be made is moving Strome out of the right circle and utilizing a LHS in a scheme like I wrote earlier in this thread. That LHS should be Buchnevich based on these last three games. I'm fine with either of Tony or Fox running the point, but Quinn would actually need to play Tony and not Jack Johnson to make that possible.

If we want to run a second unit, run this deployment. You can't utilize the additional RHS advantage, but it'll still work fine, IMO. Strome is listed as a bumper in this scenario to allow Lafreniere to run the unit off of the left wall. Plus, I trust Chytil more at the netmouth to get Kakko the puck on the right side more than Strome in that same spot:
Chytil
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Fox/Tony

It was the best unit from Jan onwards last year, it hasn't been that this year.

If a unit is consistently getting the full 2 minutes or close to, that isn't a good thing either. Means they aren't scoring. This goes beyond being a Strome thing.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Would love for the media to do their job here. Almost posted the same thing. These questions need to be asked.

Don't count on it

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Georgiev was terrible and Blackwood was good. That was the game really. Igor is the better goalie. He showed that last year and he will again this year. We are a better team by playing him and TDA. JJ should be benched.

 

[chosen]

I don’t think most peoples decision comes abruptly. I was pro-Quinn despite having some concerns with his decision making.

I think he completely mishandled ADA after our awful 1st game, especially considering he was one of our better dmen. The misconduct was a weak ass call, and the penalty did not affect the outcome of the game. Quinn then makes another idiotic decision scratching him a second game.

He overplayed an ice cold Strome today who was hot garbage all game long, yet barely gave any ice time to both Kakko and Gauthier after they both had strong 1st periods.

The droplets of doubt have filled the glass for me. I’m not confident that Quinn will develop our young kids to their fullest potential. His approach worked developing ADA, but not Lias. And so far, not Kakko.

A successful coach needs to realize players respond differently to coaching styles, and it’s his job to find that balance. Quinn’s MO is my way or the highway. He’s a younger version of Torts, minus the attitude and explosive temper.

I have never bought into the theory that a coach can ruin a kid's career and there is certainly no way to prove it.

Lias just wasn't good enough.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Today was a very Lemieux like game. You see the things that make you love him, but damn do I wish there was a little more skill there.

It’s funny cause, despite not having a little more skill, he creates a good amount of offensive opportunities with the limited amount of ice time he gets.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree in the long-run. The philosophy of playing your top-6 more is not a bad one, but our biggest issue is that Strome (and Panarin if we want to go there) have both been bad to start the year. Strome has been worse than bad, but I'll be nice and leave it at that. I'm just happy there's only one year left on their deal, and that we were smart and did not reward him with a long-term deal.



No, we shouldn't. That unit was the best in the league last year from January onward and they deserved a chance to keep it going. The biggest change that needs to be made is moving Strome out of the right circle and utilizing a LHS in a scheme like I wrote earlier in this thread. That LHS should be Buchnevich based on these last three games. I'm fine with either of Tony or Fox running the point, but Quinn would actually need to play Tony and not Jack Johnson to make that possible.

If we want to run a second unit, run this deployment. You can't utilize the additional RHS advantage, but it'll still work fine, IMO. Strome is listed as a bumper in this scenario to allow Lafreniere to run the unit off of the left wall. Plus, I trust Chytil more at the netmouth to get Kakko the puck on the right side more than Strome in that same spot:
Chytil
Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko
Fox/Tony

Everybody runs a second unit. I don't see how this is really a question. We ran a second unit last year when that first unit was firing.

 

[Synergy27]

Georgiev was terrible and Blackwood was good. That was the game really. Igor is the better goalie. He showed that last year and he will again this year. We are a better team by playing him and TDA. JJ should be benched.

JMFJ was horrid again tonight, despite this probably being his best game. If he’s not scratched for TDA next game I’ll officially be calling for Quinn’s head (if I’m not already).

 

[chosen]

It’s funny cause, despite not having a little more skill, he creates a good amount of offensive opportunities with the limited amount of ice time he gets.

His greatest asset is that he draws penalties and that's a great asset.

 

[Kovalev27]

You know what you want a 4th liner so badly to play with bread and strome fine put Phil DiGi there then if that’s all you can envision for your second line. Don’t force star kids to be Jesper fast.

put lafreniere Chytil kakko together at even strength and on PP2.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It’s funny cause, despite not having a little more skill, he creates a good amount of offensive opportunities with the limited amount of ice time he gets.

he’s a clone of the old Devil teams. A coach like Torts would love him. I wish we would put Barron with him and let’s formulate a grinding line.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Everybody runs a second unit. I don't see how this is really a question. We ran a second unit last year when that first unit was firing.

Obviously, but I’m talking about the TOI distribution. It’s a waste to split it evenly between units. Roll your top unit heavily, like all elite powerplays do, and have your 2nd unit fill spot duty. The only change we need to make is swapping Strome for a LHS on the right wall; maybe Tony for Fox as the PPQB, but that’s more of a toss-up for me as long as neither of those two are replaced by Trouba on either unit.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I have never bought into the theory that a coach can ruin a kid's career and there is certainly no way to prove it.

Lias just wasn't good enough.

Lias disappointed me quite a bit with the way he handled himself. But it would be incredibly foolish to assume the results would have been the same under a different coach.

And I completely disagree that a coach can’t ruin a players career. That’s like saying, a parent can’t ruin a child’s life.

I understand good parents can raise bad children, and vice versa, but a coach can definitely have a severe impact on a players development. I’ll leave it at that because I think we’ve exhausted the whole Quinn/Lias situation.

Im just calling out some of the trends I’m seeing with Quinn and I have ultimately lost faith and trust in him.

 

[LokiDog]

I mean do you want a Di Giuseppe-Strome-Kakko line?

As someone pointed out, it’s not the ES usage. It’s the fact that Strome is burning 8 minutes of PP time a game doing nothing.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

he’s a clone of the old Devil teams. A coach like Torts would love him. I wish we would put Barron with him and let’s formulate a grinding line.

I think we’ll eventually see that.

 

[will1066]

Is it me or do our players have slow first and second steps? Even Panarin, and who I also notice likes to curl back before going up ice. AV's teams played pond hockey but at least they played it fast and had a transition game. Now they play pond hockey but are slow doing it, and that's not a good combo.

 

[SA16]

It's not this lopsided pretty much anywhere but here.

Like late in a game down by 1, fine. But if your top unit is playing 2 minutes, that means that they aren't exactly doing their job either.

It’s more lopsided in plenty of places. EDM PP1 gets almost 100% of the ice time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is it me or do our players have slow first and second steps? Even Panarin, and who I also notice likes to curl back before going up ice. AV's teams played pond hockey but at least they played it fast and had a transition game. Now they play pond hockey but are slow doing it, and that's not a good combo.

Well if you sit DeAngelo out it's going to hurt this team's transition game. Especially when Jack Johnson is getting significant minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

Obviously, but I’m talking about the TOI distribution. It’s a waste to split it evenly between units. Roll your top unit heavily, like all elite powerplays do, and have your 2nd unit fill spot duty. The only change we need to make is swapping Strome for a LHS on the right wall; maybe Tony for Fox as the PPQB, but that’s more of a toss-up for me as long as neither of those two are replaced by Trouba on either unit.

I don't think anybody wants it even, we just want the second unit to exist.