GDT: #29 | Flyers at Blue Jackets | Tuesday, December 10, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP

[flyersnorth]

The whole thing does feel a bit gimmicky. Is there even a trophy? Just glorified friendly games. Will probably have the same feel as watching the All Star Game.

I would prefer if they did these things in the off season, including the All-Star game. I don't like the disruption.

Millions of fans seem to love it though, so we're probably in the minority?

 

[flyersnorth]

Next step is like I said, build a team that can get to 100+ points a season with average goaltending.
Reason I use the term "average goaltending" is we've seen top goaltenders make a mediocre team look good (Rangers) and bad goaltenders pull down talented teams (Devils, Colorado this season).

Right now Flyers are probably 90+ points with average goaltending, last season they were on a 94 point pace through March. Then the goaltending collapsed (Walker trade, injury to Seeler didn't help matters).

Since the first 7 games (with horrid goal tending) they've been on a 104 point pace.
I don't think that's sustainable, but 90+ certainly is if the goaltending is average.

So if you start with a 90+ point baseline, then you need tweaks more than drastic changes, some by young players improving, some by new players. It's not like Hathaway, Laughton, Seeler aging out will have much of an impact. Couts can probably sustain his production if he moves to LW, trading Risto will have a short-term impact.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

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lol including NP..

 

[BernieParent]

"I don't buy you have to have "this" or "that.""....then proceeds to say what you need. Whats your definition of next step? To make playoffs? Yeah not huge leap. To be contender? Pretty drastic improvement needed. Would I take a Stanley Cup with some unwordly goaltending, the only way it could possibly happen? Sure, but extremely...EXTREMELY!!!...unlikely for where they are now. You think they are close to being "good". I do not.

The end of last season showed how greatly this team depends on excellent goaltending. They sure won't routinely outscore goalie gaffes with their defense-first/second/third structure. Sneaking into the playoffs kicks the screaming need for top-line/pairing talent down the road ad infinitum and only continues the cycle of mediocrity.

 

[deadhead]

The end of last season showed how greatly this team depends on excellent goaltending. They sure won't routinely outscore goalie gaffes with their defense-first/second/third structure. Sneaking into the playoffs kicks the screaming need for top-line/pairing talent down the road ad infinitum and only continues the cycle of mediocrity.

They had horrid goaltending down the stretch, note that NJ finished BELOW them despite having slightly better goaltending.

Before the collapse, goaltending was average:
First 60 games, (GA - xGA)/60 = +0.06

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The end of last season showed how greatly this team depends on excellent goaltending. They sure won't routinely outscore goalie gaffes with their defense-first/second/third structure. Sneaking into the playoffs kicks the screaming need for top-line/pairing talent down the road ad infinitum and only continues the cycle of mediocrity.

#beaf***ingFlyer...

 

[Beef Invictus]

They had horrid goaltending down the stretch, note that NJ finished BELOW them despite having slightly better goaltending.

Before the collapse, goaltending was average:
First 60 games, (GA - xGA)/60 = +0.06

Why are we noting New Jersey? Why does that matter?


Good teams, actual contenders, have enough depth to carry goaltending. That's how a degraded Avs team is still in the playoffs despite damned near league-worst goaltending.

A team that lives or dies by their goalies is a bad or heavily flawed team. Unsure how pointing out the Flyers are such a team is a defense of them.

 

[BernieParent]

They had horrid goaltending down the stretch, note that NJ finished BELOW them despite having slightly better goaltending.

Before the collapse, goaltending was average:
First 60 games, (GA - xGA)/60 = +0.06

Thanks for supporting my point, dead.

 

[deadhead]

Colorado is #14 in % of potential points. 93 point pace.
Guess they don't have enough depth to be a SC contender without a decent goaltender?

Georgiev +0.48
Annunen +0.74

Blackwood was -0.29 in San Jose, if he can sustain that it would be a big help to the Avs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Colorado is #14 in % of potential points. 93 point pace.
Guess they don't have enough depth to be a SC contender without a decent goaltender?

Georgiev +0.48
Annunen +0.74

Blackwood was -0.29 in San Jose, if he can sustain that it would be a big help to the Avs.

Decent is a massive upgrade over what they've had, and you know that. So I don't know why you're bothering with offering this.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Where do the Flyers rank in % of potential regulation points?

 

[deadhead]

Where do the Flyers rank in % of potential regulation points?

19th. Overall, their goalies aren't much better than Colorado, though weighted down by those first seven games.
Colorado .567, Flyers .519.

Ersson +0.23
Fedotov +0.57
Kolosov +0.23

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

19th. Overall, their goalies aren't much better than Colorado, though weighted down by those first seven games.
Colorado .567, Flyers .519.

Ersson +0.23
Fedotov +0.57
Kolosov +0.23

Well this sounds wrong. The Flyers have a whopping 12 points out of a potential 58 in regulation.

Also, why do you keep comparing the Flyers to the Avalanche as if they're somehow comparable?

 

[deadhead]

Well this sounds wrong. The Flyers have a whopping 12 points out of a potential 58 in regulation.

Also, why do you keep comparing the Flyers to the Avalanche as if they're somehow comparable?

This year they are.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This year they are.

Are they though? Or are you just trying to do a thing?

 

[Beef Invictus]

This year they are.

lol no. Nooooo, no. No.

You can even eyeball games and see Colorado, like many teams, far more reliably controls the games they're playing in. The stats also affirm that. Well, when you use them correctly instead of cherrypicking, they do.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

lol no. Nooooo, no. No.

You can even eyeball games and see Colorado, like many teams, far more reliably controls the games they're playing in. The stats also affirm that. Well, when you use them correctly instead of cherrypicking, they do.

 

[deadhead]

We'll see the next 50 games.
Flyers have settled on lines and defensive pairs, they're playing much better.
Colorado may have found a decent goaltender.

Biggest problem Flyers have is a very young team learning how to close out games.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

We have a player that is the envy of the league.....I cannot imagine how all those teams passed on a franchise player like Michkov but I am sure glad they did....it is funny reading the Habs page....everytime Michkov gets a point, there is groaning over there......

Sharks fans as well

Torts shell sucks

What is it with Flyer coaches doing this? Roger Nielson, Ken Hitchcock, Dave Hakstol, Torts. I am sure there were others but it’s crazy how often they have had that guy

 

[Beef Invictus]

We'll see the next 50 games.
Flyers have settled on lines and defensive pairs, they're playing much better.
Colorado may have found a decent goaltender.

Biggest problem Flyers have is a very young team learning how to close out games.

That is maybe 10th or 14th on the list of the Flyers biggest problems.

We know how the next 50 games are going to go. The Flyers have no depth and they've been very lucky in terms of injury and wear. Inevitably, the wear will begin hitting, and since they have no depth every hit to it is huge.

 

[deadhead]

They have depth, Zamula is the 7th D-man, Lycksell and Richard could fill in the bottom six.
The bigger issue is if they trade Risto, he's pretty much irreplaceable this season and Bonk might not be ready next season.
If they trade Risto at the TDL or this summer, that's proof they're still rebuilding.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They have depth, Zamula is the 7th D-man, Lycksell and Richard could fill in the bottom six.
The bigger issue is if they trade Risto, he's pretty much irreplaceable this season and Bonk might not be ready next season.
If they trade Risto at the TDL or this summer, that's proof they're still rebuilding.

I actually loled. Thanks for that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The 2024 Flyers have depth. The 2022 Avalanche did not.

They’re the definition of mediocre outside of Michkov and Konecny.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

The 2024 Flyers have depth. The 2022 Avalanche did not.

They’re the definition of mediocre outside of Michkov and Konecny.

True to form, another Provorov fan underrating Sanheim.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

True to form, another Provorov fan underrating Sanheim.

I thought about giving him a shoutout but alas.