Yeah, I like this idea, definitely a ban or limit on the number of years a player can have a no movement. Maybe no more than 1/3 of the contract length if not an outright ban
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Yeah, I like this idea, definitely a ban or limit on the number of years a player can have a no movement. Maybe no more than 1/3 of the contract length if not an outright ban
Bruin4
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Great idea and would love to see it, but the players union would never allow it. Owners and GM,d would just have to stop handing them out
Dont see it ever happening. Its up to Collective Bargaining. Not the League.
The League would need to give up something huge to get the NHLPA to even consider going backwards.
Deal Law
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I just don't see the point in continuing to allow any of the young guys to fester in Providence for the sake of Brown/Wahlstrom/Tufte/Jones/Viel/Pitlick. They cannot possible be any less productive than those players. We're already losing with those players. Is the fear that they come up, look like shit and tank any value they may have had? Well, they're not improving their value by playing in Providence and not showing whether they are NHL-ready.
I just don't get what there is to lose at this point. Why, at the very least, can Wahlstrom or Tufte (or both) not be waived to get one or two of these kids up in Boston, even if you don't have deals lined up to move out the pending UFAs?
Jorah Marshmont
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They’d probably want the UFA age dropped to 24 or 4 years of service. Something like that and probably more than that.
They aren’t giving up control without more control elsewhere
Kegs
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Why is coyles contract bad? No reason to take back salary. It’s like 5 mil no? Is there a better contract for a player his age? He is pretty effective still. Not as good as the first year the bruins got him but he still putting up points and he is hard to play against. Zacha is far better I agree. zacha is on what I consider one of the best contracts in the nhl. Coyle isn’t underpaid and he isn’t overpaid.
The Hockey Tonk Man
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Yup. It's wild. There's nothing to lose. Maybe Sweeney is afraid they'll play good and he'll look like a fool for keeping them down there for so long. haha
I get not wanting either to play on the 4th line, but running Wahlstrom out on the third line for 16 games now while he's done nothing aside from take very bad penalties makes zero sense to me. He's not hard to play against, takes lots of offensive zone penalties, I see zero value in him the way he's played.
Leave them in the A till after the trade dead line . Let all of that be sorted out before bringing up young player
Putting up points? He's putting up Chris Kelly points with more TOI and sucking up a higher percentage of cap space.
Surely, you remember how much Chris Kelly was hated here after the Cup win.
goldenblack
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The idea of it only applying to 1/3 of the contract is an interesting idea though.
Dennis Bonvie
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The year after the Cup win, Kelly had the best season of his career.
Playing all 82 games, 20-19-39 +33 takeaways/giveaways 35/15
PlayMakers
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Frederic injury sucks. Hopefully it doesn't hurt his trade value too much.
Bruin4
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Shoot just send him to minny, their docs will clear him.
Deal Law
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Babajingo
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This team is going nowhere for the next few years (at least). They have no depth and no prospects. They should be stockpiling picks, especially next years. March, Carlo, Fred and Geekie should get some good ones. The rest of the dead weight that you can trade, will get late rounds but if you get enough of them, you might strike gold.
The UFA age drop is a good possibility. Earlier I posited a waiver protection rule for players that meet a certain threshold (games played, age, whatever) that would function like that piece of an NMC. I wonder if the owners would want to cede more control at all, though, since while they may not care for NTC/NMCs, they aren't obligated to give them.
I would certainly prefer that someone else be in charge of any retool.
However, that is unlikely to happen anytime soon. My expectation is that Sweeney will be making the decisions.
Actually, believe it or not, I think he can do a good job returning the club to contention, if not elite status.
It shouldn't be *that* difficult for a bright fellow like Sweeney.
The Bruins can jettison players like Whalstrom, move out at least six expiring contracts, make some hockey trades (Frederic, Coyle, Peeke, Korpisalo), and at least entertain offers for Carlo, Geeke, and Marchand. Draft picks and prospects coming back Boston's way.
They are unlikely to trade Swayman or McAvoy, never mind Pastrnak.
I would listen on Swayman, because he could net (haha) solid return.
Jeremy will probably return to previous form next season, though there is no guarantee of that. At present his confidence is questionable.
4:20; 5:50; 6:30; (You can't blame him for the other two, 8:25 & Marner's beautie to win it @ 9:10),
Beyond this, the contract hold out and everything around it damaged the Bruins relative to his poor/middling performance and negative impact on the room. Can he grow and mature as a goaltender and teammate? Of course. Whether he will is another question. He has a lot of work to do winning many back to his side.
I would trade Brad because he would bring back the best return per draft selections, prospects and/or roster players. I don't want to do this but Marchand is obviously Boston's most coveted trade chip and will bring the best return. However unpleasant, they should cash it and move forward.
(Appearing on NESN's Hockey Hub,
former GM and NHL commentator Craig Button pointed out that although Brad would bring back the most value, many of the clubs willing to deal for him are playoff contenders, some of the elite variety (e.g. Colorado).
They will finish high in the standings and therefore draft late in the first round. You'd be looking at a 25th or 29th pick or something like that in the upcoming draft, essentially second round picks.
The Bruins would have to take the long view, acquiring draft picks for 2026, 2027, etc. Which is fine by me.
Alternately, or in combination with future draft selections, Sweeney might focus on prospects if not roster players, which could provide more immediate help.
Finally, barring an unforeseen development (see: miracle), it appears Boston is stuck with two huge AAV/ long term contracts in Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov. That's $82 million tied up in two guys.
With a full, pain free training camp under his belt and greater familiarity with his role, the former might round into decent form as a second line center next year.
The latter can provide valuable physicality next season, too, particularly if the Bruins make the playoffs, which I expect them to do. Unfortunately, there is a reason why Zadorov is on his sixith (!) NHL team.
For whatever reason, he does not appear interested in protecting and clearing the front of his own net, one of, if not the most fundamental responsibility of a shut down defenseman. He continues to wander and chase the play, failing to adhere to what I assume is Sacco's simplified D system. Why Zadorov has been allowed to do this, I don't know.
What I know is that, unfortunately, Nikita Zadorov is not a very smart hockey player. He seems to lack basic hockey sense.
I am not certain that will change.
So, again, you know. What are you going to do?
"The Path" -- there's an easy one to use for those, like me, who enjoy tweaking SweeNeely -- lies ahead.
Where it leads, no one knows.
Should be interesting.
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Dr Quincy
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I guess I don't see why. If 2 parties want to enter into a contract that has that clause, who does it hurt? The dumb GMs that give them to players that don't deserve it?
Too bad, don't be dumb.
Sheppy
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I think his trade value went down long before this injury, honestly.
Dr Quincy
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What are you going to get for Frederic?
He's a UFA at the end of the year and is out "week to week".
Why would a team offer a lot?
Sweeeny's best asset to move is Marchand. But they won't do it.
What would Belichick do?
RiverbottomChuck
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What a rough season from start to finish in every aspect. At least seasons like this sometimes forge a new outlook and competivness among players and can have a positive impact in the long run. I just don't think the guy making the decisions has any real grasp on this team anymore and ownership doesn't seem interested in putting forth the effort to replace him. I hope Sweeney proves me wrong and has a good plan.
pucksindeep92
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The goal by the end of next week should, at the minimum be:
- Maximize return on all departing UFAs
- Capitalize on at least one of Carlo or Coyle
- Explore market on Korpi
- Seriously shop and listen to offers on #63
- Sign Geekie under $4.75/$5 , or trade if not
- Bring in a 1st, at least one 2nd/3rd round pick
- Rotate Merk, Lysell, Faranacci in the lineup
- Utilize the gift that is LTIR for 3rd party brokering
- Maximize return on all departing UFAs
- Capitalize on at least one of Carlo or Coyle
- Explore market on Korpi
- Seriously shop and listen to offers on #63
- Sign Geekie under $4.75/$5 , or trade if not
- Bring in a 1st, at least one 2nd/3rd round pick
- Rotate Merk, Lysell, Faranacci in the lineup
- Utilize the gift that is LTIR for 3rd party brokering
FRyan4426
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You just know those 2 a-holes are going to call up Lettieri or Brown for Frederic. The hard ass stance they’re taking with Merk and Lysell is infuriating.
Bruin4
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I think it’s getting close to the time you start seeing some healthy scratches around the league. There’s a few Bruins I wouldn’t mind seeing scratched,but dam they really don’t have much to offer up for other team, unless they plan on moving a Coyle, Carlo, Geekie or Marchand.
Looking like to me that this teams big move will be trading TFred for a 2nd and a prospect who’ll help providence out for the next 4-5 years. Not much happening the way I see it.
Looking like to me that this teams big move will be trading TFred for a 2nd and a prospect who’ll help providence out for the next 4-5 years. Not much happening the way I see it.
pucksindeep92
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Playing Devils advocate here…I think it’s getting close to the time you start seeing some healthy scratches around the league. There’s a few Bruins I wouldn’t mind seeing scratched,but dam they really don’t have much to offer up for other team, unless they plan on moving a Coyle, Carlo, Geekie or Marchand.
Looking like to me that this teams big move will be trading TFred for a 2nd and a prospect who’ll help providence out for the next 4-5 years. Not much happening the way I see it.
TDL Sweeney moves that we should look at for optimistic purposes: Nash, Coyle, Mojo, Lindholm, Bertuzzi, Orlov
While we were buyers, he parted with assets/players to make some truly big splashes and I believe he revels in making the headlines. Hall and Ullmark were bad returns, but also bad times to sell. Let’s see what he can do on the other side of the table when said table is set up success.
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