Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XIII

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[PlayMakers]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

 

[Kegs]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

Probably try and nab a couple first round draft picks in a trade or two. I read that this years draft is not good though. Maybe they are better off grabbing prospects.

 

[Hookslide]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

Start with locating the GM.

 

[PlayMakers]

Probably try and nab a couple first round draft picks in a trade or two. I read that this years draft is not good though. Maybe they are better off grabbing prospects.

A re-tool implies adding players too, does it not? It's not just a sell-off. Like, when I think about a re-tool, I think along the lines of hockey trades.

But when I hear media people talk about a re-tool, they sound more like what you, @Kegs and @quietbruinfan suggested, that it's more of (what I would call) a re-build, where we're selling off players for draft picks.

 

[Hookslide]

A re-tool implies adding players too, does it not? It's not just a sell-off. Like, when I think about a re-tool, I think along the lines of hockey trades. I think it implies we 'give up' on this season and try to add pieces that will make us competitive next season.

But when I hear media people talk about a re-tool, they sound more like what you, @Kegs and @quietbruinfan suggested, that it's more of (what I would call) a re-build, where we're selling off players for draft picks.

Washington, I would consider what they have done is a retool and also successful one .

 

[Healthy Wrap]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

Get rid of the current management and go from there

 

[Alan Ryan]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

A re-tool is the roster building approach the Bruins have consistently used under the Sweeney and Neely management team. I don’t expect anything different going forward.

 

[shoulders7]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

I think you were the one who posted something like trade Frederic for a d man and Carlo for a forward in separate deals (if that wasn’t you, apologies) A re-tool to me is like that, a few middle of the roster players for the same from elsewhere. Maybe another team has a Carlo type player who is having a down year or a Frederic type who is an upcoming UFA that they are having trouble locking up.

I am not suggesting a major blockbuster deal as I don’t see that as feasible, but just some movement in/out to get a different mix here because they have been treading water for months now.

 

[PlayMakers]

I heard Ty Anderson mention he thought the Bruins should do a Washington style re-tool, where they "took two years off" from going for it and were sellers, and they accumulated 8 draft picks as sellers and are right back at the top of the league two years later.

But I looked up Washington's draft history, and none of those draft picks are fueling their resurgence. They've only drafted one guy in the last 5 years (27 draft picks) that's played more than 80 games.

Their resurgence is due to adding guys like Strome, Chychrun, Dubois, Magniapane, Duhaime, Sandin and most importantly Logan Thompson in net.

 

[TCB]

Washington, I would consider what they have done is a retool and also successful one .

I’m not so sure if it is or if it’s just an anomaly. I’d be surprised if the Caps are this good next year and could very easily see them being a lottery team a year from now.

 

[PlayMakers]

A re-tool is the roster building approach the Bruins have consistently used under the Sweeney and Neely management team. I don’t expect anything different going forward.

That's what I think as well, but I see 're-tool' used on this board as a synonym for a re-build or at the very least a sell-off so I'm just trying to identify some common language, because I am sure that the people who are arguing for what they call a "re-tool" do not want to see a continuation of the Bruins doing what they always do.

I think you were the one who posted something like trade Frederic for a d man and Carlo for a forward in separate deals (if that wasn’t you, apologies) A re-tool to me is like that, a few middle of the roster players for the same from elsewhere. Maybe another team has a Carlo type player who is having a down year or a Frederic type who is an upcoming UFA that they are having trouble locking up.

I am not suggesting a major blockbuster deal as I don’t see that as feasible, but just some movement in/out to get a different mix here because they have been treading water for months now.

Yes I was and I agree. Dupont called for a "shakeup trade" a few weeks back and that seems along the same lines as well.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

That's what I think as well, but I see 're-tool' used on this board as a synonym for a re-build or at the very least a sell-off so I'm just trying to identify some common language, because I am sure that the people who are arguing for what they call a "re-tool" do not want to see a continuation of the Bruins doing what they always do.

A rebuild - if you’re looking at how that word is used by like a Friedman or a Pagnotta or similar - involves selling off productive core pieces for futures and resetting the window. With what the Bruins have in house, that would mean two of Pasta/McAvoy/Swayman minimum. Sell expiring contracts off for picks. Get really shitty. Hope you’re the one in 10 chance that can turn it around in less than 5 or 6 years.

Retool is keep the core and other key pieces - resigning them if needed - but holding on to prospects and draft picks. A faster retool is trading those pieces for NHL players or NHL ready prospects. You’re not losing on purpose, but you’re not investing in the team for this year.

To me, those who push for a rebuild don’t usually consider the consequences or the risk involved. They just want carnage.

 

[Hookslide]

I’m not so sure if it is or if it’s just an anomaly. I’d be surprised if the Caps are this good next year and could very easily see them being a lottery team a year from now.

It is possible, but they are better this year and they are better than the Bruins right now.

 

[Alan Ryan]

But I looked up Washington's draft history, and none of those draft picks are fueling their resurgence. They've only drafted one guy in the last 5 years (27 draft picks) that's played more than 80 games.

Their resurgence is due to adding guys like Strome, Chychrun, Dubois, Magniapane, Duhaime, Sandin and most importantly Logan Thompson in net.

That’s like the Bruins approach. Substitute names like Zacha, Geekie, Lindholm, Zadarov, Kastelic, Koepke, etc.

Find the right adds this off-season and the Bruins will have a resurgence like Washington.

 

[PlayMakers]

A rebuild - if you’re looking at how that word is used by like a Friedman or a Pagnotta or similar - involves selling off productive core pieces for futures and resetting the window. With what the Bruins have in house, that would mean two of Pasta/McAvoy/Swayman minimum. Sell expiring contracts off for picks. Get really shitty. Hope you’re the one in 10 chance that can turn it around in less than 5 or 6 years.

Retool is keep the core and other key pieces - resigning them if needed - but holding on to prospects and draft picks. A faster retool is trading those pieces for NHL players or NHL ready prospects. You’re not losing on purpose, but you’re not investing in the team for this year.

To me, those who push for a rebuild don’t usually consider the consequences or the risk involved. They just want carnage.

Well said. I'd also argue that folks pushing for a rebuild don't fully appreciate that most rebuilds take 10 years.

In thinking about the draft and doing some research I think it makes sense that most rebuilds take 10 years. If the average team only hits on 1 in 5 picks, then they need at least 5 years just to draft their new core, and another 4-5 years for guys to develop into impact players. And that's IF you are lucky enough to draft 5 core players 5 years in a row. Chances are 1 or 2 of those guys ends up being Puljujarvi or Zack Hamill.

 

[Gordoff]

I heard Ty Anderson mention he thought the Bruins should do a Washington style re-tool, where they "took two years off" from going for it and were sellers, and they accumulated 8 draft picks as sellers and are right back at the top of the league two years later.

But I looked up Washington's draft history, and none of those draft picks are fueling their resurgence. They've only drafted one guy in the last 5 years (27 draft picks) that's played more than 80 games.

Their resurgence is due to adding guys like Strome, Chychrun, Dubois, Magniapane, Duhaime, Sandin and most importantly Logan Thompson in net.

So, add the RIGHT free agents. Sweeneys made a bunch of FA signings over the years but IMO with a "go for it" mindset. 2022-23 TDL was a huge "go for it" period that in the end we ended up with nothing. No Cup and an almost empty cupboard.
Of course I guess it was worth going for it but the gamble ended with empty pockets.
Free agent signings need to be for players with more upside (Geekie comes to mind). Less of a splash, more of a wave.
If they use any more draft picks, especially the 2025 first rounder, it'd better be for real talent now (preferably an under 26 year old Center). Miller temporarily will appease the masses but when the new player shine wears off, you've got several years of payments to make.
I didn't like Cam saying that they're "going in 2 directions."
It's time to refill the cupboards, clear space, and accumulate young talent.

 

[TCB]

You don’t need a rebuild when you have a Pasternak McAvoy and a Swayman to build around. Changes need to be made but nearly every team in the league can say the same,it’s that close.Number one target imo needs to be a true number one Center.

Everyone is on the table, depending the return but you don’t deal the aforementioned unless someone over pays or McAvoy can land that top Center.

Iohrei and Poitras I don’t want to see moved, two young kids with great offensive upside. I would dangle anyone else picks prospects in an attempt to land that center, probably not attainable without including one of them but it would be worth the price imo.

After these next 9 games if the Bruins are on the outside looking in,I start with Marchand move him to the highest bidder and keep your phone lines open for business.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I heard Ty Anderson mention he thought the Bruins should do a Washington style re-tool, where they "took two years off" from going for it and were sellers, and they accumulated 8 draft picks as sellers and are right back at the top of the league two years later.

But I looked up Washington's draft history, and none of those draft picks are fueling their resurgence. They've only drafted one guy in the last 5 years (27 draft picks) that's played more than 80 games.

Their resurgence is due to adding guys like Strome, Chychrun, Dubois, Magniapane, Duhaime, Sandin and most importantly Logan Thompson in net.

The fact that Strome and Dubois are the top 2 Cs for the best team in hockey makes me question everything I know about hockey. I felt they were the two biggest wasted talent slugs in the league

 

[quietbruinfan]

it's time for a cupboard cleaning they don't have the pro scouting or picks to trade for A Chychrun or Mangiapane type that the caps did. They need to clear players with cap......Coyle and Carlo all things considered.

 

[Kegs]

A re-tool implies adding players too, does it not? It's not just a sell-off. Like, when I think about a re-tool, I think along the lines of hockey trades.

But when I hear media people talk about a re-tool, they sound more like what you, @Kegs and @quietbruinfan suggested, that it's more of (what I would call) a re-build, where we're selling off players for draft picks.

It’s like when they traded away
Lucic and Hamilton to stock pile draft picks. Was it 2015? I think it was. That was a retool. Not a full tank. Tanking is stupid. I would not want to watch this team lose for 15 years.

The fact that Strome and Dubois are the top 2 Cs for the best team in hockey makes me question everything I know about hockey. I felt they were the two biggest wasted talent slugs in the league

Dubois is playing well.

 

[Number8]

A lot of talk in the local media that they should do a re-tool.

What does a re-tool look like to you?

For me that makes maybe missing the playoffs for a couple of years — and that any trades you make are designed to maximize good picks, prospects, and centers.

I don’t need, or want, the Bruins to crap out. But I’ll still support them if they do.

However I do need, and want, the Bruins to now look toward the near future as opposed to the immediate future - i.e. couple of playoff games.

We went for it hard the last few years and good for us. Few disagreed and results weren’t what we hoped, but it was fun.

I don’t doubt the effort, passion, or want of everyone involved. But our prospect pool is begging begging begging for some help. It has to happen sometime.

 

[TCB]

It’s like when they traded away
Lucic and Hamilton to stock pile draft picks. Was it 2015? I think it was. That was a retool. Not a full tank. Tanking is stupid. I would not want to watch this team lose for 15 years.

Spot on !

 

[Number8]

You don’t need a rebuild when you have a Pasternak McAvoy and a Swayman to build around. Changes need to be made but nearly every team in the league can say the same,it’s that close.Number one target imo needs to be a true number one Center.

Everyone is on the table, depending the return but you don’t deal the aforementioned unless someone over pays or McAvoy can land that top Center.

Iohrei and Poitras I don’t want to see moved, two young kids with great offensive upside. I would dangle anyone else picks prospects in an attempt to land that center, probably not attainable without including one of them but it would be worth the price imo.

After these next 9 games if the Bruins are on the outside looking in,I start with Marchand move him to the highest bidder and keep your phone lines open for business.

I agree with all of this — and those who rightly point out that few if any of us here have ever seen a true bottom out rebuild. I certainly don’t want to see that and do not for a second believe a Swayman - McAvoy - Pastranak line up the middle of the ice isn’t something you cannot build something special around.

That said — it would break my heart, truly — but as you say the smart strategic play is to move Brad. And that hurts.

However, if Brad wants one last kick at the can I don’t think it will be here. If he does, that would be a win win for all.

 

[PlayMakers]

So, add the RIGHT free agents. Sweeneys made a bunch of FA signings over the years but IMO with a "go for it" mindset. 2022-23 TDL was a huge "go for it" period that in the end we ended up with nothing. No Cup and an almost empty cupboard.
Of course I guess it was worth going for it but the gamble ended with empty pockets.
Free agent signings need to be for players with more upside (Geekie comes to mind). Less of a splash, more of a wave.
If they use any more draft picks, especially the 2025 first rounder, it'd better be for real talent now (preferably an under 26 year old Center). Miller temporarily will appease the masses but when the new player shine wears off, you've got several years of payments to make.
I didn't like Cam saying that they're "going in 2 directions."
It's time to refill the cupboards, clear space, and accumulate young talent.

I think you need to be careful about how invested you get in re-filling the cupboards though. I do understand the need to replenish the pipeline, but at the same time, this core really only has 2-4 years left where they are going to be the 'drivers' behind a Cup win, so in 3 years I don't want to be looking at a team that has added a handful of good, Lysell-level prospects but a core that's now too old to compete.