Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VIII

[Fenian24]

Why does Poitras need to be up anymore than Lysell, he is doing shit in the AHL.

Because he has actually produced in the NHL and puts in an effort every night.

 

[wintersej]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5920905/2024/11/27/connor-mcdavid-bedard-nhl-trade-value-rankings/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=480992

The Athletics NHL players trade value, Pasta is 8 between Quinn Hughes and Bedard, McAvoy is 15 between Matt Tkachuk and Rasmus Dahlin, Swayman 66.


I am not defending how badly this team has been run, I am saying Lysell is a bust.

Lysell is 21.

That’s the issue. Give them decent time in 1st or 2nd line spot. Stop with the 3rd line crap. Belongs to the McMuffins Geeks and Fred’s.

What line did Krejci start on? Marchand? Lucic? How about Necas? Or the Dallas kids? Go look at the Florida 3rd line.

 

[Dr Quincy]

He played only 33 games on a team that was clicking offensively.

Yeah, I just don't see much more than a 35-40 point guy at the end of the day. A solid 3C. Certainly not a 70-90 point guy, but hey, I've been wrong many times before.

I could see 50 from him, but I think he will be consistently around that 35-40 point range.

Regardless, I'd like to see him up and playing in a top 9 role of sorts. I just think people are overrating him.

Not a great comp, but I could see a career like Derrick Brassard- a bunch of years in the 40s, a couple in the 50s, maybe 1 in the 60s.

 

[Hookslide]

Because he has actually produced in the NHL and puts in an effort every night.

He has,

 

[Dr Hook]

It was a toxic environment. If you don’t understand that isn’t a great place to break kids in properly I dunno what to say.

When has the club in recent memory ever really had a great place to break in kids properly, especially the skill guys that don't have 200 foot chops? Was JDB the last one? Because there is always a reason: the team is in contention, can't have rookie mistakes, etc etc and now the team is playing poorly and we don't want to expose the kids to that. At some point I feel like they should make the commitment to let a guy like Merk who has nothng left to prove in the A, or Lysell, to get an extended run and live with the mistakes and gaffes. I mean, they are okay with Lohrei doing that- why wasn't it too toxic for him?

 

[Trizz617]

Only so many times that management can attempt to rearrange coaches as if they were deck chairs. We can sit here and lament about the lack of goal scoring, skilled talent outside of Pasta. This specifically, is warranted imo.

Ultimately, the buck should stop with the architects of this roster (Hi Cam, Hi Donny). With that being said, would a Freddy/Crouse swap move a needle of sorts? Another target perhaps? Spitballs of course, but it's obvious this team needs a serious infusion of younger, skilled talent w/ term preferably.

 

[wintersej]

When has the club in recent memory ever really had a great place to break in kids properly, especially the skill guys that don't have 200 foot chops? Was JDB the last one? Because there is always a reason: the team is in contention, can't have rookie mistakes, etc etc and now the team is playing poorly and we don't want to expose the kids to that. At some point I feel like they should make the commitment to let a guy like Merk who has nothng left to prove in the A, or Lysell, to get an extended run and live with the mistakes and gaffes. I mean, they are okay with Lohrei doing that- why wasn't it too toxic for him?

I mean Lorhei played 50 games last year and is leading the D in scoring.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think the club does a fine job breaking in kids. Lohrei, Brazeau, Swayman just in the last 2 years. 3rd line is where everyone integrates kids unless they're difference makers on Day1.

The problem has not been that they don't know how to develop kids it's that they haven't had many kids to develop.

Don't give up on Lysell. He's only 21.

 

[Dr Hook]

I mean Lorhei played 50 games last year and is leading the D in scoring.

That's fair, but he's by no means a finished product. But as far as forwards, I guess Brazeau , as @PlayMakers pointed out is a good one, but then who? And Brazeau was older and came in with AHL experience which makes him a little different in my mind.

The club does a fine job breaking in kids. Lohrei, Brazeau, Swayman just in the last 2 years. 3rd line is where everyone integrates kids unless they're difference makers on Day1.

The problem has not been that they don't know how to develop kids it's that they haven't had many kids to develop.

Don't give up on Lysell. He's only 21.

We have Merk and Lysell now that need time and on a scoring challenged team, they should be getting long looks. I just don't care for the general policy of bringing these skill guys like Senyshyn, Steen to some extent, JFK before his concussion, and sticking them on the 4th line and then sending them back because they didn't look good. I do see a deliberate policy of wanting them to have these complete 200 foot games before they get extended time in roles that best suit their skillsets. Maybe I am wrong in that but I know I am not alone in thinking that way.

 

[22Brad Park]

I mean Lorhei played 50 games last year and is leading the D in scoring.

Mostly without top pp mins

 

[Dr Hook]

Mostly without top pp mins

The fact that he does lead all D men in points says more about the rest of the D than it does Lohrei. And don't get me wrong, I like the kid and think he will be a really good blueliner for us at some point. Right now, he is still making the rookie mistakes and all that, and the team is happy to live with it. Maybe because the next best option is Ian Mitchell? I wish they would do the same with the young forwards.

 

[GordonHowe]

Sorry I worded that poorly, I meant, the most realistic move they could make right now would be Vatrano.

I think bigger names would have to wait until the deadline, when they have accrued more cap space. Of course, the catch-22 is that they may not be in a playoff position at the deadline if they don't act now, but acting now, even for a modest add like Vatrano, is probably going to prevent them from doing something big at the deadline because it will eat up all their accrued space.

It's a dilemma.

 

[wintersej]

When has the club in recent memory ever really had a great place to break in kids properly, especially the skill guys that don't have 200 foot chops? Was JDB the last one? Because there is always a reason: the team is in contention, can't have rookie mistakes, etc etc and now the team is playing poorly and we don't want to expose the kids to that. At some point I feel like they should make the commitment to let a guy like Merk who has nothng left to prove in the A, or Lysell, to get an extended run and live with the mistakes and gaffes. I mean, they are okay with Lohrei doing that- why wasn't it too toxic for him?

But I do agree you have to give Lysell a longer look at some point this year. I think it’s ok if they time it with a good stretch in the A for Lysell and the team having settled down a bit post coaching change. I say this as someone who was disappointed that he didn’t make the opening roster and thought it was 50/50 that he had earned it. But he did obviously had an understandable let down period after he went down. Other (I don’t watch the A much) folks have said he has started to get there the last few games. So hopefully it’s soon. In an ideal world come playoff time Poitras, Lysell, and an outside ad have taken over in the top 9.

Merkulov, to me, just feels like a Koko level guy. AAAA player that they really disserviced by not moving to wing some time ago.

 

[Coach Parker]

Names:

Zegras
Huberdeau (high retention)

Sorry I worded that poorly, I meant, the most realistic move they could make right now would be Vatrano.

I think bigger names would have to wait until the deadline, when they have accrued more cap space. Of course, the catch-22 is that they may not be in a playoff position at the deadline if they don't act now, but acting now, even for a modest add like Vatrano, is probably going to prevent them from doing something big at the deadline because it will eat up all their accrued space.

Agreed.

Wrong Duck for me though; if I'm management with a sellout streak ending and (like it or not) a popular kid/fan favourite like Zegras is available I pay for him and his flash and try and inject some scoring talent and entertainment into this group.

If Pastrnak can learn the system anyone can. Having players that will find creativity and ways of creating scoring chances needs to be paramount.

 

[wintersej]

Names:

Zegras
Huberdeau (high retention)

Agreed.

Wrong Duck for me though; if I'm management with a sellout streak ending and (like it or not) a popular kid/fan favourite like Zegras is available I pay for him and his flash and try and inject some scoring talent and entertainment into this group.

If Pastrnak can learn the system anyone can. Having players that will find creativity and ways of creating scoring chances needs to be paramount.

Are Zegras and Poitras games too samey? Smaller playmaking guys who are going to be better in the middle but at a disadvantage defensively due to their size. I don’t think the Ducks would be interested in Poitras for the same reasons they have had to shift Zegras to wing. But if you deal for Zegras does Poitras still have a path here? If the answer is “no”, that’s ok, but I do think it’s good to have an idea of the answer because he would immediately be your biggest chip (especially because any other chip you had would be in Anaheim).

 

[BergyWho37]

I think most people who know me understand I don't think that Lysell, Merkulov, or Poitras is the answer to their issues. But given we already see what they are as currently constituted, a shakeup in the roster is the least they can f***ing do.

Maybe I’m off the rocker thinking this way but will Sacco take any of these risks cause he actually wants to be the permanent coach in the future..

Meaning less chance we see these kids this year unless Don forces him.

 

[Coach Parker]

I like Poitras, but I'm curious to hear what people think his ceiling is?

I don't see much more than a 15 goal, 35 point guy. I can easily be wrong but I think he's criminally overrated around here. Not saying he can't be a good piece for this team, but I think people need to look a little deeper here with their expectations.

Poitras = Caron?
Lysell = Soderberg?

Remember the hype around them and how they played vs the reality when they made it to Boston?

 

[Dr Hook]

Poitras = Caron?
Lysell = Soderberg?

Remember the hype around them and how they played vs the reality when they made it to Boston?

Lots of stories like that in every team's history. Some of them do make it. I remember when it was finally getting Lars Jonsson over here and what a bust he was, among many. Poitras might be Caron, Lysell might be Soderberg (another guy we couldn't wait to come over), but equally both might turn out to be decent to good NHL players.

 

[Coach Parker]

Lots of stories like that in every team's history. Some of them do make it. I remember when it was finally getting Lars Jonsson over here and what a bust he was, among many. Poitras might be Caron, Lysell might be Soderberg (another guy we couldn't wait to come over), but equally both might turn out to be decent to good NHL players.

Yeah lots of stories and this is HF Boards not Hockey Current Boards so the optimism for prospects is also something to consider.

I'd love nothing more than for 1-2 of them to stick in the NHL and have an impact once the defensive-minded system is producing on a more consistent level.

Imagine the Bruins adding Zegras, Poitras and Lysell to a team that can keep the opposition and defensive mistakes to a minimum and let them contribute to the top six with offensive skillsets that are void right now outside of #88?

 

[Gee Wally]

Freddie at # 17 on list.

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[UncleRico]

Their game last night looked the closest to playoff hockey as we've seen all year

A 2-0 loss. Couldn’t agree more

 

[Hookslide]

Only so many times that management can attempt to rearrange coaches as if they were deck chairs. We can sit here and lament about the lack of goal scoring, skilled talent outside of Pasta. This specifically, is warranted imo.

Ultimately, the buck should stop with the architects of this roster (Hi Cam, Hi Donny). With that being said, would a Freddy/Crouse swap move a needle of sorts? Another target perhaps? Spitballs of course, but it's obvious this team needs a serious infusion of younger, skilled talent w/ term preferably.

I would do a Freddy, Crouse swap, but would Utah.

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

Lots of stories like that in every team's history. Some of them do make it. I remember when it was finally getting Lars Jonsson over here and what a bust he was, among many. Poitras might be Caron, Lysell might be Soderberg (another guy we couldn't wait to come over), but equally both might turn out to be decent to good NHL players.

Are we talking about the Yeti, because decent to good was definitely what he was when he finally came over. 297 points in 597 games is waaaaaaay more than Caron ever achieved

 

[PlayMakers]

We have Merk and Lysell now that need time and on a scoring challenged team, they should be getting long looks. I just don't care for the general policy of bringing these skill guys like Senyshyn, Steen to some extent, JFK before his concussion, and sticking them on the 4th line and then sending them back because they didn't look good. I do see a deliberate policy of wanting them to have these complete 200 foot games before they get extended time in roles that best suit their skillsets. Maybe I am wrong in that but I know I am not alone in thinking that way.

I think they will get their chance in due time. Neither player had a good training camp. Neither player had a good start to the season in Providence. Lysell has only just started producing. He went 4 games without a point before his last 7. It doesn't help either player to call them up when they're not confident. I also don't think it helps a young player to call them up and drop them into a bad situation, like a team that's floundering.

The Bruins have been desperate to get their game on track. Desperate to get their defensive game, in particular, in order. I can see them saying let's stick with vets until we stop the bleeding defensively, then build our offense from there. (I fully expect to see Lysell before Christmas.)

I also don't really agree with this notion that they're ruining offensive players by teaching them two-way hockey. They didn't do that to Pasta. They haven't done that to Lohrei. I do think they try to help players improve their overall games (offense and defense) while in Providence but that's just development. Fans have to stop thinking about offense and defense like it's one or the other. The best players play both ways; Crosby, McDavid... They all realize at some point that playing good D just means you get the puck back sooner so you can spend more time with the puck (i.e. on offense). That's doubly important when you're not a Connor McDavid level talent (and the guys you mentioned were 3rd line talents at their absolute best).

 

[PlayMakers]

Names:

Zegras
Huberdeau (high retention)

Agreed.

Wrong Duck for me though; if I'm management with a sellout streak ending and (like it or not) a popular kid/fan favourite like Zegras is available I pay for him and his flash and try and inject some scoring talent and entertainment into this group.

If Pastrnak can learn the system anyone can. Having players that will find creativity and ways of creating scoring chances needs to be paramount.

I'm heavily in favor of adding Zegras too, but I don't see how they do that right now. That to me, is a deadline deal, when the Bruins have $6m in cap space.