Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread IX

[TobanWest]

With the players not showing the desire or effort to change the course of this season, everything falls on the Jacobs family. Sweeney and Neely are problem #1 and the roster is problem #2. Players could turn it around but not showing it. Sweeney could try to turn it around but too many holes and no cap or assets to fix + I don't trust that he can make the right moves. Which leads to the Jacobs. They need to sell the team if they aren't going to give a shit or fire the two headed monster that created this and go for a full rebuild. If they don't then we are in purgatory for a while. This is a very unlikeable and unwatchable product.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

This is the worst Bruins team I've seen since 2005-06. But they don't have a Joe Thornton in his mid-20s on fresh 3-year contract to trade. Elias Lindholm isn't about pull a Zhamnov and get a career-ending injury (and the cap relief that goes with it). They don't have a Bergeron and Krejci in the system.

There is no golden parachute for the current Bruins franchise. Short-term, long-term, it's a mess.

New management, new pro scouts, a new coaching staff. Start there and try to re-tool the group around your current core players (Pasta/McAvoy/Swayman). I'd even trade McAvoy if a comparable D-man in age and pedigree was available.

But they won't do any of that.



Let's be honest, they've never truly gone in that direction. Not in the entire history of this franchise or at least since Orr came along.

What to gain by trading McAvoy for a like same comparable,age and pedigree?

Because you don't like him?

Pasta is the guy that needs to go, for many reasons. Send him to NY in a blockbuster.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

With the players not showing the desire or effort to change the course of this season, everything falls on the Jacobs family. Sweeney and Neely are problem #1 and the roster is problem #2. Players could turn it around but not showing it. Sweeney could try to turn it around but too many holes and no cap or assets to fix + I don't trust that he can make the right moves. Which leads to the Jacobs. They need to sell the team if they aren't going to give a shit or fire the two headed monster that created this and go for a full rebuild. If they don't then we are in purgatory for a while. This is a very unlikeable and unwatchable product.

Swayman ruined the season and team in my view, F him I hope he continues to suck the greedy little weasel.

 

[TCB]

What to gain by trading McAvoy for a like same comparable,age and pedigree?

Because you don't like him?

Pasta is the guy that needs to go, for many reasons. Send him to NY in a blockbuster.

And those many reasons are ?

I mean I’d deal him but it’s got be a win-win in a big way, which usually isn’t the case when you deal a super star.
The guy has been playing with guys who aren’t near his talent level. He’s usually 2 steps ahead of them. He’s only human, it’s got be getting frustrating. With that said though he needs to start being held accountable, way to many blind cross ice passes that end up on the opposition stick.

I’d keep him and try to bld around him, unless someone offers you a lindross like deal, but this teams rebuild needs to start in the front office.

 

[BruinDust]

What to gain by trading McAvoy for a like same comparable,age and pedigree?

Because you don't like him?

Pasta is the guy that needs to go, for many reasons. Send him to NY in a blockbuster.

Why does Pasta need to go? Because you don't like him?

IDK I've watched this hockey shit a long time, and I have a hard time believing a team that is dead last in offense the past two months, dead last on the PP overall, is going to improve by trading it's only true offensive weapon in his prime age. Like Pasta or not, he still leads the NHL in shots on goal. On a team that needs to generate more shots on goal. Did he not set up two game winners last week? Quickly forgotten about apparently.

Who are you getting back from NY exactly? Is Panarin coming back? Please don't say Chris Kreider on the back-end of his career, or a Zibanejad who has fallen off the map this season with an albatross contract. Bruins have enough of those.

My take on McAvoy is this. I'm not giving him away, I'm not interest in some 3 ponies for a horse trade either. But they've tried winning with him now as the top D-man on this team how many seasons now? He's a 9.5 million dollar D-man who can't produce on the PP (1 goal, 2 assist this season so far). I'd be open to a change, the right change. But I don't think the right change is out there so it's a moot point.

 

[bme44]

Trade Coyle, Frederic, and one of Carlo or Peeke. Call up Poitras, Merkulov, and Mitchell. Hope for the best. If not, at least you got a return on some dead weight.

If you planed to trade Carlo or Peeke it should have happened before loosing Regula to waivers

 

[TCB]

If you planed to trade Carlo or Peeke it should have happened before loosing Regula to waivers

Great point and thats just part of the problem, you would of thought that a young talented center would of been a prime target a few years before krejci and Bergeron were hitting their mid thirties, Swayman would of been signed before dealing Ullmark, a replacement plan would of been made for FA who left ala Chara, Krug, Erkisson and debrusk.

 

[TobanWest]

Swayman ruined the season and team in my view, F him I hope he continues to suck the greedy little weasel.

Definitely didn't help. Also the poor training camp as well. How can a pro sports team talk about having a bad training camp? Who's in charge?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Depends what they want back, we can no longer be trading top picks 1st and 2nd , if they want to clear cap like they did with Trouba, maybe we can work something out or if they are willing to make a hockey trade, otherwise not trading top picks for a soon to be 34 year old.

The idea should be to GET A #1 with Kreider and a solid young RD man to replace #73. to a team in turmoil. NYR look like that team to me. So #73 for Kreuder, Schneider and '25 #1.

 

[NDiesel]

I've been hoping a top 6 winger would fix things, it won't. Fire Sweeney and start selling. Get the kind of team they thought they were building, big tough, physical. Mix in scoring and some speed and a better goalie than Swayman and start the retooling, JJ will never allow for a full rebuild.

Yeah it's crazy that Sweeney doesn't see going and getting more big tough physical guys will fix our scoring issues.

You have it backwards, he should be getting some speed and scoring and mix in some physical guys. They need skill badly

 

[JoeIsAStud]

If Sweeney put a mid season tournament ahead of the Bruins that should move to the top of the list of reasons to fire him

This I totally agree with and seriously this is not a tough job. Did he have to convince everyone to play? Basically you have a couple meetings with the staff pre season, identify the 30 or so names, probably the first 16 were absolute locks. then a secondary list to see who fills the back of the roster. Maybe a weekly call for 1-2 hours to make sure everyone is in agreement.

I can't believe he was out there watching 4 games in person in a week so he could make a decision on the 23rd man on the roster

Swayman ruined the season and team in my view, F him I hope he continues to suck the greedy little weasel.

That is the biggest decision this team is going to have to make in the next 7 months. Do they believe this is just an awful season because of the offseason BS and they are convinced he will be a top 5 goalie in the league for the next 7 years. Or were they completely wrong, and he isn't an elite goalie

 

[BruinDust]

This I totally agree with and seriously this is not a tough job. Did he have to convince everyone to play? Basically you have a couple meetings with the staff pre season, identify the 30 or so names, probably the first 16 were absolute locks. then a secondary list to see who fills the back of the roster. Maybe a weekly call for 1-2 hours to make sure everyone is in agreement.

I can't believe he was out there watching 4 games in person in a week so he could make a decision on the 23rd man on the roster



That is the biggest decision this team is going to have to make in the next 7 months. Do they believe this is just an awful season because of the offseason BS and they are convinced he will be a top 5 goalie in the league for the next 7 years. Or were they completely wrong, and he isn't an elite goalie

Most people could nail 80% of the roster without even looking. I did a roster prediction (what I would of done) a couple weeks ago on the main board and was off by 4 forwards and 1 D-man (I had Lafrenniere, Wilson, Scheifele, Duchene and Weegar instead of Konecny, Jarvis, Cirelli, Bennett and Sanheim). Many other posters were the same.

Basically the only debate was forwards 10-13 and the 7th D. The bulk of the team most joe-blows like us could easily predict. How much time did that require of Sweeney exactly? Did you need hours and hours of meetings and scouting to pick out the bottom 5-6 players for a mid-season 4 team tournament? It's not like your signing these guys to long-term contracts here.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Most people could nail 80% of the roster without even looking. I did a roster prediction (what I would of done) a couple weeks ago on the main board and was off by 4 forwards and 1 D-man (I had Lafrenniere, Wilson, Scheifele, Duchene and Weegar instead of Konecny, Jarvis, Cirelli, Bennett and Sanheim). Many other posters were the same.

Basically the only debate was forwards 10-13 and the 7th D. The bulk of the team most joe-blows like us could easily predict. How much time did that require of Sweeney exactly? Did you need hours and hours of meetings and scouting to pick out the bottom 5-6 players for a mid-season 4 team tournament? It's not like your signing these guys to long-term contracts here.

Like I said maybe a couple days before the year to get the coaches and everyone together, and then a weekly check in call to deal with whatever might happen if someone gets injured, or falls off a cliff in production.

Absolutely NO EXCUSE for him to be even slightly distracted from his full time job

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Felt coming into this season this team would still be a solid playoff team.
Boy was I wrong.

On paper, thought they had one of the best D-Cores.
Didn't expect depth/dece top 6 guys to fall off a cliff (Zacha, Frederic, Geekie, Coyle)
Thought Swayman could make some saves/steal a game or two.

Who would have thought the powerplay would be dead last. And since it is. Why do they keep running the same units out? Everyone can see how much of a mess it is. Square peg/Round hole type stuff going on there.

5th last in goals for per game also.

At this point, bring up some kids and let them play. The majority of the vets aren't doing shit & deserve to be in the pressbox for a few games. Calling the kids up for a bit can't be any worse than what we've watched all season.

 

[BruinDust]

Like I said maybe a couple days before the year to get the coaches and everyone together, and then a weekly check in call to deal with whatever might happen if someone gets injured, or falls off a cliff in production.

Absolutely NO EXCUSE for him to be even slightly distracted from his full time job

No excuse at all. The Bruins should be his main focus and like it or not, 30+ games in the numbers are terrible and his only transaction was firing his head coach and promoting the assistant.

 

[TobanWest]

Felt coming into this season this team would still be a solid playoff team.
Boy was I wrong.

On paper, thought they had one of the best D-Cores.
Didn't expect depth/dece top 6 guys to fall off a cliff (Zacha, Frederic, Geekie, Coyle)
Thought Swayman could make some saves/steal a game or two.

Who would have thought the powerplay would be dead last. And since it is. Why do they keep running the same units out? Everyone can see how much of a mess it is. Square peg/Round hole type stuff going on there.

5th last in goals for per game also.

At this point, bring up some kids and let them play. The majority of the vets aren't doing shit & deserve to be in the pressbox for a few games. Calling the kids up for a bit can't be any worse than what we've watched all season.

They keep doing the same things expecting different results. It's like my municipal job, not proactive all reactive. My answer to why they do what they do is because they truly believe that they are smarter than everyone. Probably still believe this even with all that is happening this season.

 

[BruinsJoe]

Agreed!

Watching him I remember a young Bruins defenseman years back who was asked how his game had taken a step forward, and he mentioned that he had worked with Ray Bourque. And the thing that had stuck with this player (I'm sorry I can't remember who it was right now) the most, was that Bourque told him "whatever you do on the ice - do it HARD."

Outlet pass: hard.
Shot from the point: hard.
Clear out of the zone: hard.
One-on-one: hard.

This seems to be the thing I notice most about Lohrei and I keep hoping that Bourque would extend the same advice to him. He's far too delicate with the puck and that (more than anything) is leading to his bad giveaways and poor decisions.

Something Mason Lohrei will not do it s do things hard, he just refuse to play hard

 

[BruinsJoe]

What can we get for this guys?

Coyle = 2025 2rd pick?
Carlo = 2025 2 rd pick?
Geekie = 2025 4th rd pick?
Swayman = 2025 1st + 2025 2rd + prospect? ( Habs were interested it seems: cal 2025 1st + habs 2025 2rd + Jacob Fowler)

 

[TCB]

What can we get for this guys?

Coyle = 2025 2rd pick?
Carlo = 2025 2 rd pick?
Geekie = 2025 4th rd pick?
Swayman = 2025 1st + 2025 2rd + prospect? ( Habs were interested it seems: cal 2025 1st + habs 2025 2rd + Jacob Fowler)

Carlo would easily bring back a first and then some, but realistically I only see Sweeney dealing potential UFA near the deadline and thats if he believes their out of it. The bottom of the east is so weak, it will go right done to the wire for the final wild card spot, so I'd be shocked if Sweeney does anything looking towards the future, unfortunately.

 

[CDJ]

Claim Wahlstrom just so we can constantly see the sick goal he scored when he was like 11 or whatever in between periods

 

[BruinDust]

Claim Wahlstrom just so we can constantly see the sick goal he scored when he was like 11 or whatever in between periods

At least we'd be guaranteed to see a current Bruin score every broadcast.

 

[GlenFeatherstone]

Take a shot on Wahlstrom

 

[PlayMakers]

I don't think it makes any sense to trade our core players... you'd be trading them at their lowest value, better off hoping they rebound next year.

 

[JCRO]

Take a shot on Wahlstrom

I’m all for it. Kids only 24. Might not live up to the 11th OA pick he was but a change of scenery may help him aka Zacha.

Bring him home and let him recreate that sick intermission goal in an NHL game lol

 

[BruinsJoe]

Claim him Don you lost a young this week

A sensational scoring threat, Oliver Wahlstrom is a fierce competitor that preys on weak play. He exploits gaps in the neutral zone; his positioning allows him to carry the puck forward immediately or shift up and into stride off of an outlet pass. He promptly takes easy lanes away from the opposition along his own blue line, but could stand to be more proactive defensively. Offensively, he might be described as uncontainable: the confidence he has in his individual puck skill, paired with a high level of thinking, makes him a difficult cog to take out of alignment. He is able to create opportunities for himself, as well as teammates, out of nothing; this, in turn, translates to energy on the ice and in the building as a whole. All-in-all, Oliver Wahlstrom is an instinct-driven hockey player gifted with the size, skating, skill, and smarts that coaches yearn for.
- Curtis Joe, EP 2018