24/25 McDavid vs. 14/15 Crosby

[Midnight Judges]

Messier is absolutely in the same tier of greatness as Crosby so Cups are important in ranking them within that tier. IMO Kevin Lowe is not in the same tier of greatness as those other players mentioned. He’s in a lower tier for sure.

Crosby is pretty clearly a tier above Messier IMO.

 

[authentic]

He also was better than anyone active in 2015 by a big margin. He was better than Crosby ever was offensively in 1999 especially the calendar year. Agree to disagree on this one. I’m not saying ice time didn’t have an impact but I believe this is overblown here. Respect your opinion nonetheless.

Oh I’m aware of this, Jagr at his peak was absolutely better than Crosby after the concussions and wrist injury that made him a shell of his former self. This doesn’t change the points I’m making about when everyone in the league can’t score much it’s not hard to figure out what the issue is.

 

[authentic]

We agree pretty closely on the top 10-15 peak players though, which this timeframe was largely void of for numerous reasons, injuries to the top players certainly didn’t help. I promise you though if peak Jagr plays that season at around 20-21 minutes he scores less than we would like to believe. That also goes for McDavid or any player in NHL history.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

My opinion on tiering great players is consistent. Within their tier of greatness (I’d say Crosby is in the same tier with McDavid) the ability of a pkayer to be key in his club winning the Cup ranks them higher.

Which again suggests that you don’t understand the nuances of a team sport.

 

[pi314]

The Pens definitely play better without Sidney Crosby.

That’s why they won all those cups in his concussion/broken neck years. The years they won the whole time I was thinking “man just think about how easy this would have been if Crosby wasn’t playing”. Then I farted into my hand, smelled it and was overcome by the high.

The problem with these turkeys is they think the stats say, “This is the team with Sidney Crosby, this is the team without Sidney Crosby.”

But in reality, during those years, the team led the league in missed man-games, and it was a constant revolving door of players.

I can remember Sidney Crosby playing half a year with Jason Megna. There is no actual comparison between a team with Sidney Crosby and a team without Sidney Crosby, which is what they think the stats actually say.

But of course, it’s just a Capitals Ovechkin fan trying to talk smack.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Crosby's defensive capabilities in his prime have become more and more inflated the farther away we've gotten from that prime.

Crosby's defensive abilities in his prime are being underrated due to a Lost Cause-esque campaign by McDavid lovers who can't fathom a top scorer being responsible defensively.

 

[Romang67]

Crosby's defensive abilities in his prime are being underrated due to a Lost Cause-esque campaign by McDavid lovers who can't fathom a top scorer being responsible defensively.

Nah. He just wasn't that good defensively in his prime.