GDT: #23 | Flyers at Predators | Wednesday, November 27, 2024 | 8:00 PM | NBCSP+, 93.3 FM

[Audible Velvet]

Eeking out a handful more OT wins than they deserve, gaining enough points to hover just above bottom seems familiar somehow.

 

[deadhead]

Proof he don't watch the games, we got steam rolled yesterday by a lesser team and Vegas was missing 2 of their best players.

Flyers xGF 59.06%, HDCF 57.80%
However, CF 35.85%

That's not exactly "steam rolled."

 

[Cody Webster]

Flyers xGF 59.06%, HDCF 57.80%
However, CF 35.85%

That's not exactly "steam rolled."

It took them 17 minutes to record their second shot on goal in the third period....

 

[flyersnorth]

Flyers xGF 59.06%, HDCF 57.80%
However, CF 35.85%

That's not exactly "steam rolled."

That surprised me too. For all the puck control, shots, and shot attempts that Nashville had, they only generated 6 high danger chances.

 

[freakydallas13]

You really thought this team was going to tank?

They're actually able to skate with almost any team now, and they've upped their skill.
The biggest problem they have is maintaining puck possession, too many turnovers in the D-zone, have trouble controlling play in the O-zone and don't take the puck away enough.

But they went toe to toe with Vegas, the biggest team in the NHL, and with Nashville, the most physical team (Trotz is the GM, you'd expect anything different?).

The problem for the Flyers is they used to be small and slow, now they're just small.
TK had his worst game of the season b/c he was bounced around on a regular basis, Brink was MIA.
Even Poehling struggled along the boards.

Frost scored again, checks notes, hmm 2 feet from the net. Gee, maybe he's learning something?

Some good things, Michkov is looking more comfortable 5x5, Frost is skating better (I think the 5 games off helped a lot, there was something wrong with him physically), Andrae continues to play well, Risto is now in beast mode.

Bro this team is last in the league in regulation wins.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Not sure how good this data is (NST), but giveaways per 60:

Forwards
Laughton 4.89
Poehling 4.28
Michkov 4.22
TK 4.21
Farabee 4.18
Couts 3.73
Frost 2.94
Tippett 2.77
Hathaway 2.63
Brink 2.35
Foerster 2.32
Cates 0.87


Defense
Grans 6.24
Seeler 5.18
Andrae 5.07
Drysdale 4.91
York 3.87
Sanheim 3.56
Zamula 3.37
Risto 3.26

I looked at 2023-24, and the numbers are far lower, doubt the team changed that drastically, so there may be a difference in how this number is determined this season.

Glad that my eyes match the data.

 

[Larry44]

This is how I feel. I'm always happy when they win but would love the high end talent that comes with top 5 picks. My biggest gripe is them not recognizing when they should sell on players who are past their prime and not give the type of contracts to players they overvalue. I don't think they are headed in the right direction in that regards.

Agreed. I am a tank advocate, but there are ways to do it without a scorched earth purge. It starts with dealing vets with no future on a competitive team for draft assets. You still end up picking early, but you can live with that - and fans can too. They are doing, instead, an accidental tank, where they pretend they are competitive for a playoff spot now, but end up picking 12 instead of 4 or 5. It's just friggin' stupid to continue the mediocrity.

 

[kudymen]

Bro this team is last in the league in regulation wins.

Yeah but look who they just beat in the past week!

 

[VladDrag]

Proof he don't watch the games, we got steam rolled yesterday by a lesser team and Vegas was missing 2 of their best players.

Three - Pietrangelo, Karlsson and Stone

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Bro this team is last in the league in regulation wins.

we win again....

 

[gto64dr]

Agreed. I am a tank advocate, but there are ways to do it without a scorched earth purge. It starts with dealing vets with no future on a competitive team for draft assets. You still end up picking early, but you can live with that - and fans can too. They are doing, instead, an accidental tank, where they pretend they are competitive for a playoff spot now, but end up picking 12 instead of 4 or 5. It's just friggin' stupid to continue the mediocrity.

 

[gto64dr]

I think posters believe somehow we can get value for players that we are ready to let loose. You need to trade value or picks to get value. We're a little short on our own.

 

[deadhead]

Who had value?

TK, but he's on his way to 80-90 points, had you traded TK over the summer, you would have gotten the standard return, late 1st, late 2nd, "B" asset. They're lucky they extended him before he broke out, if he keeps playing like this he'd be the $10M range with the cap rising.

They almost traded Sanheim for #25/#29, don't think they're going to draft a 1st pair D-man there unless they're really lucky. And they're not signing a FA for $6M to replace him.

Couts, not with that contract.
Laughton, 2nd and 3rd or so
Risto, 1st if you take money back. GMs love mobile, physical RHDs.
Hathaway, 4th?
Seeler, 4th?
DeLo 7th?

That's it, unless you trade a Farabee (24), Frost (25), etc.

 

[freakydallas13]

They almost traded Sanheim for #25/#29

Citation needed, that is not what they almost traded Sanheim for.

 

[Larry44]

I think posters believe somehow we can get value for players that we are ready to let loose. You need to trade value or picks to get value. We're a little short on our own.

Part of the problem is the management's timing in dealing some of these guys.

Apparently St Louis wanted Laughton a couple years ago for some good picks (rumoured 2 1sts), now he's not worth much. Risto is the reverse. He was hot garbage a couple years ago and now he's playing well enough (tepid compost?) that someone desperate for a big RD might give us a 1st for for him. Hathaway has value as a playoff addition for a team needing what he brings. Johnson might get a 6th, didn't we just give a 5th? Poehling is big and skates well, shows occasional glimpses, but it's hard to see him as a future cornerstone - that's Cates' title. Better to get SOME value from them vs. just letting them walk.

I'd entertain trading Farabee too, or Tippett, obviously but his contract is terrible.

 

[Svedu]

Tuomaala should get a couple of games with Michkov this year.

 

[BernieParent]

Tuomaala should get a couple of games with Michkov this year.

He definitely should, Mrs. Tuomaala.

 

[FLYguy3911]

You have to trade value to get value...unless you are Anaheim and sucker your former GM into a trade.

 

[gto64dr]

Part of the problem is the management's timing in dealing some of these guys.

Apparently St Louis wanted Laughton a couple years ago for some good picks (rumoured 2 1sts), now he's not worth much. Risto is the reverse. He was hot garbage a couple years ago and now he's playing well enough (tepid compost?) that someone desperate for a big RD might give us a 1st for for him. Hathaway has value as a playoff addition for a team needing what he brings. Johnson might get a 6th, didn't we just give a 5th? Poehling is big and skates well, shows occasional glimpses, but it's hard to see him as a future cornerstone - that's Cates' title. Better to get SOME value from them vs. just letting them walk.

I'd entertain trading Farabee too, or Tippett, obviously but his contract is terrible.

No one was giving any 1st for Laughton. That was just BS from a fantasy. Ristos contract would cost us in a trade, more fantasy. Any other trades at this time won't get us any prizes. If there was a deal with what we have won't change us much.

 

[flyersnorth]

Who had value?

TK, but he's on his way to 80-90 points, had you traded TK over the summer, you would have gotten the standard return, late 1st, late 2nd, "B" asset. They're lucky they extended him before he broke out, if he keeps playing like this he'd be the $10M range with the cap rising.

They almost traded Sanheim for #25/#29, don't think they're going to draft a 1st pair D-man there unless they're really lucky. And they're not signing a FA for $6M to replace him.

Couts, not with that contract.
Laughton, 2nd and 3rd or so
Risto, 1st if you take money back. GMs love mobile, physical RHDs.
Hathaway, 4th?
Seeler, 4th?
DeLo 7th?

That's it, unless you trade a Farabee (24), Frost (25), etc.

Apparently, Briere is listening to offers on Risto, Laughton, Frost, and Farabee.

Doesn't mean a move is imminent. On that list, I'd hope Frost is the least likely because we need good young centers, and he fits the bill. Unless a better one is coming back, I don't see the point.

 

[deadhead]

GMs listen to other GMs all the time.

I don't take rumors seriously until proposed details start leaking, even then, a lot of misinformation, but at least you know the parties are talking value, not in generalities.

 

[BernieParent]

Apparently, Briere is listening to offers on Risto, Laughton, Frost, and Farabee.

Doesn't mean a move is imminent. On that list, I'd hope Frost is the least likely because we need good young centers, and he fits the bill. Unless a better one is coming back, I don't see the point.

"Listening", like I listen to the telemarketer's canned introduction before finding a time to politely say I am not interested and hang up.

 

[kudymen]

"Maybe some posters dont understand you have to trade value to get value"


Eh. Maybe some posters dont understand that some repeatedly point out how excellent the Flyers are in minimizing their assets' value. (via usage, reports, quotes) All. The. Time. They are seconds away from adding a draft pick to anyone they move, just to make a move.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah, they sure got taken in that Provorov trade.
Hear CBJ will take a 1st for Provorov at this year's TDL.

 

[kudymen]

Look look, I found an example for confirmation!