Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. VII

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I need help understanding if these stats represent percentile rank vs role or if the percentiles and roles are independent of one another. I ask because a poor top 4 still seems to be ranked ahead of a top-depth D.

Independent. The Usage stat gives a good idea of what level of competition they’re playing against.

 

[Ivo]

$6.25M for three years after this one should pretty much end said discussion. Can't spend $26M+ on just your top 4.

We could rent him for the playoffs and trade him in the offseason to recoup some/all of the assets.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

We could rent him for the playoffs and trade him in the offseason to recoup some/all of the assets.

Yes…but as Dom will tell you there are major off-season cap/tagging issues involved, especially with a Pasta extension. Not impossible but there’s a reason that kind of thing almost never happens in the NHL.

 

[Ivo]

Yes…but as Dom will tell you there are major off-season cap/tagging issues involved, especially with a Pasta extension. Not impossible but there’s a reason that kind of thing almost never happens in the NHL.

Even if the trade happens around draft time?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Wow....Norm Barnes flashback.....I saw him play when I was a kid for Binghamton (if it's the same guy)

A friend of mine played against Barnes in a racquetball tournament. Norm's ass took up half the court. He got really wide after retiring.

His wife often sang the National Anthem when he was with the Whalers.

 

[Montecristo]

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Seems like a perfect move for the best defense in the NHL and a full out Cup contender to make. You’re playing chess while the rest of us are playing Candy Crush.

I dont know your fancy stats but what i do know is that if you pumped grizz through the stat machine for playoff games i bet he looks a lot worse than his regular season. Hes a perfectly good regular season defensemen, i just have seen too many playoff series where hes picked on and wears down to be fooled by another strong regular season. Id take a shortfall in peeke from feb-april if he ends up more impactful in may and june

 

[Tbaybruin]

If Pastrnak isn’t signed by trade deadline I would go all in on Chychrun

I wonder who would sit? Cliffy our #1 hit leader and all guts guy or Forbort our best penalty killer.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I dont know your fancy stats but what i do know is that if you pumped grizz through the stat machine for playoff games i bet he looks a lot worse than his regular season. Hes a perfectly good regular season defensemen, i just have seen too many playoff series where hes picked on and wears down to be fooled by another strong regular season. Id take a shortfall in peeke from feb-april if he ends up more impactful in may and june

And Andrew Peeke is tall. I get the angle. He’s also played in zero playoff games.

 

[Montecristo]

I wonder who would sit? Cliffy our #1 hit leader and all guts guy or Forbort our best penalty killer.

Probably matchup driven who sits. Id guess clifton would sit more than forbort unless they started to lose. Cliftons a good “spark the team” guy when they are in a rut

 

[dugg133]

I dont know your fancy stats but what i do know is that if you pumped grizz through the stat machine for playoff games i bet he looks a lot worse than his regular season. Hes a perfectly good regular season defensemen, i just have seen too many playoff series where hes picked on and wears down to be fooled by another strong regular season. Id take a shortfall in peeke from feb-april if he ends up more impactful in may and june

Peeke has played in 0 playoffs games in his career, on what basis are you saying he’d be better come spring?

 

[Montecristo]

And Andrew Peeke is tall. I get the angle. He’s also played in zero playoff games.

And hes got 35 pounds on grzcelyk. And hes under contract. And younger. And hes tall.

 

[Tbaybruin]

If we go all in I use our next 3 firsts as bait. Lohrei and Lysell are close to ready and we need that. I also believe Don is going to sign 2-3 NCAA guys who will soften the blow of the lost picks. I also wonder if Don Approaches the Bussi camp and tells them we can trade you even though you just signed. No room for him.

 

[Montecristo]

Peeke has played in 0 playoffs games in his career, on what basis are you saying he’d be better come spring?

No guarantee hes better in spring. I said “if.” I “know” grzeclyk is not good enough in the top 4 in the playoffs. I dont know if peeke isnt. But grzcelyks short comings are insurmountable. Hes not big enough to ever not be pushed around in a 7 game series. Peeke doesnt have the physical limitations so theres a chance he can be more impactful because of that

 

[Sheppy]

Playoff Grzelcyk worries me, not going to lie.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

And hes got 35 pounds on grzcelyk. And hes under contract. And younger. And hes tall.

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

Yea but he could be. You are not factoring in the magic beans theory.

 

[Montecristo]

The CBJ trade is terrible with a capital T. Peeke is decent but nothing special. Gryz is better by himself. Giving up Brunet is just... something you don't do. It is not based on much, but I have a very, very good feeling about this kid. I will say he profiles better than any non-first round defenseman who has ever played for the Bruins. With apologies to our current GM, and Mike Oconnell (third round Hawks), I get the feeling Brunet will have a pretty high ceiling.

Brunet might be good. But why hang onto him if your top 4 dmen are all under 30 all under long term deals. You dont need d prospects if your whole dcore is young good and under contract for manageable numbers

 

[Sheppy]

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

What targets do you think they should look into come deadline day?

 

[Gordoff]

Lucic is a monster

The only guy who gave him trouble was Reaves

Would never happen... but I wonder who would win between Lucic vs Quaider. Quaider barely lost also

It would go on and on until someone shut the lights and the fans went home. They'd punch themselves silly until the nursing home would break it up.

 

[BruinDust]

Probably matchup driven who sits. Id guess clifton would sit more than forbort unless they started to lose. Cliftons a good “spark the team” guy when they are in a rut

I don't know about Peeke's advanced stats but his normal stats this year are pretty much identical to his teammate Erik Gudbranson. On a good team, neither guy is above the 3rd pair.

I'm not convinced Peeke is a better player than Clifton or Forbort. Let alone Gryz. Then factor in adjusting to a new team and system.

Pass.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What targets do you think they should look into come deadline day?

A big upgrade at 4C - maybe Toews, maybe O’Reilly, Barbashev at worst. Perhaps someone off the radar so far. Another third/fourth liner if they have experience and are UFA. Like a David Perron if he didn’t have the contract.

And a depth D better than Zboril/Stralman. I could be talked into a higher end D and putting Forbort at 7. We’re going to need 8D if we go deep.

 

[Montecristo]

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s

A big upgrade at 4C - maybe Toews, maybe O’Reilly, Barbashev at worst. Perhaps someone off the radar so far. Another third/fourth liner if they have experience and are UFA. Like a David Perron if he didn’t have the contract.

And a depth D better than Zboril/Stralman. I could be talked into a higher end D and putting Forbort at 7. We’re going to need 8D if we go deep.

What about jeff carter if pittsburgh decides they wont make the playoffs. Thats a good player with some exp for 4th line

 

[Montecristo]

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

From c

Can’t argue with that. Too bad he’s not good. At all.

I think he's got a lot of talent for shutdown hockey and would look a lot better in a system where he could defer to a puckmoving partner on breaking out the puck. Like a meaner version of Carlo in a Krug-Carlo pairing. He really can't break out the puck at all. I think he's decent in the offensive zone though.

From columbus. Sounds good to me. Kind of what id want. Meaner carlo. Toss him with forbort to shut down top lines let lindholm and mcavoy play offense

 

[wintersej]

Chychrun, Lindholm, Zboril, Achan = ~13 million
Or
Lindholm, Gryz, Forbort, Reilly = ~16 million

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Heres my trade proposals:

Boston gets
Andrew peeke

Columbus gets
Matt grzcelyk
Frederic brunet

Boston gets bigger younger cheaper under longer deal on back end.

Columbus gets a vet and a prospect having a good year. (Boston saves close to 3M On cap for this year). Columbus does this trade because it gives them a replacement level player to peeke in grzcelyk with a long term more team controlled dman with high upside in brunet who will be a pro as grizz contract runs out.

Boston gets more size for a tough playoff series and a potential shut down pair with forbort or carlo. Also a long term bottom 4 lhd who can kill penalties and provide some offense as well.

Trade 2:
Boston gets jakub chychrun

Arizona gets
1st
Lohrei
C. Smith
Zboril


Boston solidifies itself as best d core for long and short term as the c depth long term is looking modest they decide to go all in this year and adopt the “center poor, d strong” approach that worked for nashville a decade ago as a long term plan. Trades a first a upside d in vaakananiens mold in zboril, the big lohrei dman who you dont need with 3 dmen now signed long term from the left side and all resignable.


Trade 3

Boston gets pat kane (50% retained)
2nd


Chi gets jake debrusk
2nd

Pick swaps benefit boston as debrusks contract situation is better than kanes and chicago can grow with him on the wing as he fits the age to be apart of their long term plan. Also brings some playoff experience for what will be a young team once toews and kane leave.

Boston now a juggernaut for this season and defense is locked in for the next half decade.

Chunks have been blown. This sucks.