2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Lebanezer]

How can you forget Mr Center Mass?

That was, and forever will be, Patrick Marleau.

 

[tiburon12]

Re: Misa and Chernyshov - are there any current examples of junior linemates playing together and succeeding in the NHL together?

 

[StanleyCup2035]

Re: Misa and Chernyshov - are there any current examples of junior linemates playing together and succeeding in the NHL together?

Henrik Sedin & Daniel Sedin (MODO & Vancouver Canucks)

Junior Connection: Played together in Sweden with MODO and were drafted together by Vancouver.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Re: Misa and Chernyshov - are there any current examples of junior linemates playing together and succeeding in the NHL together?

A better question is how often have two high profile juniors linemates who were both good players actually played in the NHL together? Usually "old juniors linemates!!" tends to be one good player and one journeyman that fans create a narrative around.

I guess Mackinnon and Drouin works to some degree. But really, juniors "chemistry" tends to just be that players have complementary skillsets and are just better than most juniors players. I heard a lot of noise about Team Canada not exploiting the "Rehkopf-Martone chemistry" at the WJC this year, but frankly I don't think they play very complementary games. They just score together on a line together because they're good players beating up on juniors. I think Chernyshov and Misa have genuine chemistry because their games are highly complementary and they're both too good for juniors, but that doesn't mean anything for future NHL success and Chernyshov's success with Misa wouldn't be a factor for me at all if I was making a decision between Misa and anyone else.

 

[dmcccdmn]

Am I reading correctly that everyone's assessment of Misa's ceiling is not even on par with Marleau? That's not exactly the best pick for the worst team in the league. If we're going to endure being the worst team, at least get a game-changer. Unlike most Sharks fans, I was never impressed with Marleau's career and Misa isn't as good?

 

[TheBeard]

Am I reading correctly that everyone's assessment of Misa's ceiling is not even on par with Marleau? That's not exactly the best pick for the worst team in the league. If we're going to endure being the worst team, at least get a game-changer. Unlike most Sharks fans, I was never impressed with Marleau's career and Misa isn't as good?

There are far worse things than getting a borderline hall of famer in your lineup for 15 consistent years.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Am I reading correctly that everyone's assessment of Misa's ceiling is not even on par with Marleau? That's not exactly the best pick for the worst team in the league. If we're going to endure being the worst team, at least get a game-changer. Unlike most Sharks fans, I was never impressed with Marleau's career and Misa isn't as good?

Sounds like a you problem, not a Misa problem.

 

[tiburon12]

A better question is how often have two high profile juniors linemates who were both good players actually played in the NHL together? Usually "old juniors linemates!!" tends to be one good player and one journeyman that fans create a narrative around.

I guess Mackinnon and Drouin works to some degree. But really, juniors "chemistry" tends to just be that players have complementary skillsets and are just better than most juniors players. I heard a lot of noise about Team Canada not exploiting the "Rehkopf-Martone chemistry" at the WJC this year, but frankly I don't think they play very complementary games. They just score together on a line together because they're good players beating up on juniors. I think Chernyshov and Misa have genuine chemistry because their games are highly complementary and they're both too good for juniors, but that doesn't mean anything for future NHL success and Chernyshov's success with Misa wouldn't be a factor for me at all if I was making a decision between Misa and anyone else.

yea, essentially i'm asking a backwards quetion of "how can we be sure Misa/Chernyshov combo would have any NHL success together", because im seeing people using this chemistry as a reason why we should draft Misa and personally i can't believe that's a strong reason. But im also not pretending to be a prospect person lol.

Thanks!

 

[DG93]

A better question is how often have two high profile juniors linemates who were both good players actually played in the NHL together? Usually "old juniors linemates!!" tends to be one good player and one journeyman that fans create a narrative around.

I guess Mackinnon and Drouin works to some degree. But really, juniors "chemistry" tends to just be that players have complementary skillsets and are just better than most juniors players. I heard a lot of noise about Team Canada not exploiting the "Rehkopf-Martone chemistry" at the WJC this year, but frankly I don't think they play very complementary games. They just score together on a line together because they're good players beating up on juniors. I think Chernyshov and Misa have genuine chemistry because their games are highly complementary and they're both too good for juniors, but that doesn't mean anything for future NHL success and Chernyshov's success with Misa wouldn't be a factor for me at all if I was making a decision between Misa and anyone else.

Question for you since I don't watch a lot of prospects: with you having said that Misa is starting to narrow the gap to Schaefer as the #1 overall pick, and given the utter wasteland that is the Sharks' defensive prospect pool beyond Sam Dickinson, how big of a mistake would it be to draft Misa over Schaefer? I really like everything I've read/seen about Misa and would love him in the Sharks' top-6, but I also get positional need with Schaefer so was curious.

 

[Barrie22]

Question for you since I don't watch a lot of prospects: with you having said that Misa is starting to narrow the gap to Schaefer as the #1 overall pick, and given the utter wasteland that is the Sharks' defensive prospect pool beyond Sam Dickinson, how big of a mistake would it be to draft Misa over Schaefer? I really like everything I've read/seen about Misa and would love him in the Sharks' top-6, but I also get positional need with Schaefer so was curious.

There is a reason that Schaefer took over the #1 spot in nearly everyones prospects rankings, and has not been moved for nearly 3 months since his injury.

He had put that much of a distance between himself and the other top prospects and those ohers has not upped the game to give the people making those lists a reason to bump him.

Healthy there is enough of a gap between Schaefer and the rest right now.

 

[matt trick]

A better question is how often have two high profile juniors linemates who were both good players actually played in the NHL together? Usually "old juniors linemates!!" tends to be one good player and one journeyman that fans create a narrative around.

I guess Mackinnon and Drouin works to some degree. But really, juniors "chemistry" tends to just be that players have complementary skillsets and are just better than most juniors players. I heard a lot of noise about Team Canada not exploiting the "Rehkopf-Martone chemistry" at the WJC this year, but frankly I don't think they play very complementary games. They just score together on a line together because they're good players beating up on juniors. I think Chernyshov and Misa have genuine chemistry because their games are highly complementary and they're both too good for juniors, but that doesn't mean anything for future NHL success and Chernyshov's success with Misa wouldn't be a factor for me at all if I was making a decision between Misa and anyone else.

Somewhat related, I remember thinking at one point, can you imagine how dominant a reunited Brandon Wheat Kings's top line of Brayden Schenn (5th OA), Scott Glennie (8th OA), and Matt Calvert (5th round, playing in D+1 would be? Calvert was seen as a good third wheel, but a third wheel nonetheless, whereas Glennie was considered the secondary player on that line, and a future top line forward. Calvert ended up playing 500 games, Schenn will exceed 1000, while Glennie (as an 8th overall!) played only one. They also all outscored a D-1 Mark Stone (he was well under PPG in his draft year).

 

[Juxtaposer]

Question for you since I don't watch a lot of prospects: with you having said that Misa is starting to narrow the gap to Schaefer as the #1 overall pick, and given the utter wasteland that is the Sharks' defensive prospect pool beyond Sam Dickinson, how big of a mistake would it be to draft Misa over Schaefer? I really like everything I've read/seen about Misa and would love him in the Sharks' top-6, but I also get positional need with Schaefer so was curious.

I'm still a believer in Schaefer and think he would be the right pick for this team at #1. My interest in Misa is more that I wouldn't be sad about falling to #2 via the lottery the way I'd be mildly devastated to fall to #3, because Misa is that good and because Misa is a legit candidate for #1 for a team like Chicago/Buffalo that needs a center far more than a LHD or Nashville who has literally never had a legit #1C in their whole franchise existence, which might allow Schaefer to fall to #2.

We need a #1D like no one's business. Schaefer's calmness under pressure, decision-making with the puck, and escapability are the things that make me feel like there's no way he isn't at the very least a top pairing guy. The Hughes-like rushes are just a bonus. The only thing Schaefer needs to work on is defending in front of his own net and that will come with age/strength/experience (no teenage defenseman is good at it). This is the player we need. But Misa is really f***ing good too.