Red Sox/MLB 2025 Hot Stove - Mets land Juan Soto on 15-year, $765M deal

[McGarnagle]

Someone tell me why after the All-Star Break this year Garrett Crochet didn't pitch more than four innings in a single one of his 14 starts

 

[EverettMike]

When did bloom make a deal like this?

He didn't because he wasn't allowed to. That's my exact point. Breslow was Bloom 2.0 last year. Literally no difference.

Then, as has been reported, ownership decided after the WS they need to change their approach. They were gonna do something "big" because they had to, except they won't actually pony up. This is the end result, the one thing I said weeks ago I absolutely did not want them to do.

 

[CDJ]

Someone tell me why after the All-Star Break this year Garrett Crochet didn't pitch more than four innings in a single one of his 14 starts

Workload management. Still building his arm up

 

[DKH]

Thanks

I’m a Fried guy but admit I don’t care if it’s Bob Gibson I would hate to go 6-8 years

Got to see Teel in AA very high on

Montgomery is a serious prospect

Sherman said those 2 were never in same deal till Fried signed

Or

or it just might be because he doesn’t want to provide top of the rotation value at league minimum, probably that

Every pitcher is an injury risk, you can’t play scaredy cat


Very good prospect but that’s depth you can trade from given the outfield situation we have in the org. Same with Meidroth. Teel is the piece that truly hurts but yeah give me the 25 YO top of the rotation guy

Meidroth will be interesting to watch as well

 

[EverettMike]

Doesn’t feel like that all, I think you’re underselling Crochet. You have to give to get and this doesn’t seem excessive at all

Guys they just got a 25 YO ace without giving up a top 3 guy. Thats insane

Ace talent.

Gotta pitch more than 146 innings in any season before you're an actual ace. Them's the rules.

 

[Smitty93]

Doesn’t feel like that all, I think you’re underselling Crochet. You have to give to get and this doesn’t seem excessive at all

Guys they just got a 25 YO ace without giving up a top 3 guy. Thats insane

I think our disagreement is over how we view Crochet. He's a mega talent, no question. But he's got about 100 innings as a major league starter (before they essentially shut him down last year). He's already had TJ once and I'd be surprised if he doesn't eventually need it again. Plus he's only got 2 more years of control.

Did they give up a king's ransom? No. But to me he's just not a guy where I have enough faith in him to pay a serious price. I'd rather spend assets on a lesser player with more of a history of success or on a younger player with more years of control.

 

[CDJ]

He didn't because he wasn't allowed to. That's my exact point. Breslow was Bloom 2.0 last year. Literally no difference.

Then, as has been reported, ownership decided after the WS they need to change their approach. They were gonna do something "big" because they had to, except they won't actually pony up. This is the end result, the one thing I said weeks ago I absolutely did not want them to do.

Much more risky paying a 30 year old pitcher $220 mill with an injury history like Fried than a 25 YO pitcher with an injury history imo. The half a decade more of wear and tear matters

I think our disagreement is over how we view Crochet. He's a mega talent, no question. But he's got about 100 innings as a major league starter (before they essentially shut him down last year). He's already had TJ once and I'd be surprised if he doesn't eventually need it again. Plus he's only got 2 more years of control.

Did they give up a king's ransom? No. But to me he's just not a guy where I have enough faith in him to pay a serious price. I'd rather spend assets on a lesser player with more of a history of success or on a younger player with more years of control.

You’re giving up Roman Anthony without any of the question marks (and those question marks to me are easily explained)

 

[yazmybaby]

What about a top catching prospect? Isn't that exactly who you keep?

Guess we sign McCann now LOL

 

[sarge88]

The funny thing is I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to throw another pitch without an extension, but that's really just because he knows his arm's about to fall off.



I don't know, pretty sure everything they've done so far says the opposite.

It's early --- even though the time between TG and Soto signing seemed like a month.

I'm not all in on them yet ---- but if they pick up another quality SP, a reliever or two and find a way to move Devers off 3B, I can get behind it.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Someone tell me why after the All-Star Break this year Garrett Crochet didn't pitch more than four innings in a single one of his 14 starts

I just heard this discussed on radio. The White Sox apparently did that intentionally.

 

[CDJ]

Ace talent.

Gotta pitch more than 146 innings in any season before you're an actual ace. Them's the rules.

Agreed, he will have to build on that. I ultimately don’t think that will be a problem for him.

we are probably paying a steeper price if he had the 180 inning season under his belt

 

[sarge88]

I am not drinking that Koolaid yet. They could have had Fried and all they had to do was match according to reports.

Fair enough. I'm certainly not suggesting that they are going to win a WS next year (or even make the playoffs). I'm just hoping this is the first of several good moves.

 

[BernieMcAvoy]

I like the trade, just wish they added him with one of the big time free agents, which unless they pull Burnes out of their ass, won't have done. Just please get him extended. If he has another great season without an extension, hell become too expensive for their taste.

 

[CDJ]

This is pure sex

 

[EverettMike]

Agreed, he will have to build on that. I ultimately don’t think that will be a problem for him.

we are probably paying a steeper price if he had the 180 inning season under his belt

I'd rather pay a steeper price for an actual ace than pay a (still really) big price for a potential ace.

You know how much I hated the thought of this exact type of deal for Crochet, so you can imagine how I feel now that it happened while good options are still out there in free agency.

I'm so disgusted by this cheap rinky dink operation I think this was the straw that broke my Red Sox back.

I think Breslow is an unqualified dolt working for an uncaring conglomerate who cares about money more than wins. I defended them for years, including through giving away Mookie Betts. Last off-season turned me against ownership. This off-season is turning me against the whole organization.

 

[CDJ]

I'd rather pay a steeper price for an actual ace than pay a (still really) big price for a potential ace.

You know how much I hated the thought of this exact type of deal for Crochet, so you can imagine how I feel now that it happened while good options are still out there in free agency.

I'm so disgusted by this cheap rinky dink operation I think this was the straw that broke my Red Sox back.

I think Breslow is an unqualified dolt working for an uncaring conglomerate who cares about money more than wins. I defended them for years, including through giving away Mookie Betts. Last off-season turned me against ownership. This off-season is turning me against the whole organization.

I see where you’re coming from aside from Breslow- I need to see more but so far I think he’s been ok

 

[Smitty93]

Much more risky paying a 30 year old pitcher $220 mill with an injury history like Fried than a 25 YO pitcher with an injury history imo. The half a decade more of wear and tear matters


You’re giving up Roman Anthony without any of the question marks (and those question marks to me are easily explained)

But that's the thing, I don't need the talent without question marks. I'd be fine taking a lesser talent if they had shown they could give you a starter's workload for several years. And I'd be fine taking a talented prospect who's no guarantee if it meant you got their 6 years of control.

What about how this team is currently constructed suggests they can afford to gamble on a player who lacks reliability and team control? That feels like a move for a desperate team who's got a year or two left of contention, not a team that's hoping to exit its rebuild.

Maybe I'm just scarred, but I just have very little faith in a guy with a history of arm issues and basically half a season as a full-workload starter. I think they bought an asset at its peak, which is just bad management.

 

[EverettMike]

Immediate report is that this trade means they're out on Burnes.

The trade makes way more sense if they now sign Burnes! Just confirms what seems obvious: they did this because it doesn't cost them money, only prospects.

Mid-market run organization.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

Immediate report is that this trade means they're out on Burnes.

The trade makes way more sense if they now sign Burnes! Just confirms what seems obvious: they did this because it doesn't cost them money, only prospects.

Mid-market run organization.

That's what many feared all along. Using prospects to save money. And here we are. I don't think this this has been a well run organization for at least 5 years and it's not suddenly going to get better.

 

[EverettMike]

That's what many feared all along. Using prospects to save money. And here we are. I don't think this this has been a well run organization for at least 5 years and it's not suddenly going to get better.

Everything bad the most cynical people have said about them over the last 5-6 years has been absolutely true.

 

[McGarnagle]

It's less that I'm down on Crochet and more that I'm big on Teel and consider him the most important piece here. But I really don't get it with Crochet that he's worth this much.

I get that people are high on his K/BB ratio and swing and miss% and such, but the raw numbers don't sway me. This dude had a 5+ ERA at the University of Tennessee, got drafted, was a reliever, had Tommy John, didn't start a major league game until this past year and was on strict innings restrictions. Pro scouts project him to be good, and I hope he is good, but some of the Sox water carriers are acting like we got Pedro in 1997 for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr. here. It feels more like we gave up 1997 Jason Varitek for Jaret Wright.

 

[Smitty93]

It's early --- even though the time between TG and Soto signing seemed like a month.

I'm not all in on them yet ---- but if they pick up another quality SP, a reliever or two and find a way to move Devers off 3B, I can get behind it.

I can totally agree with this. Get another top starter, another bat, a catcher, and some relievers, and I'd feel good about next season. But Crochet should really be the last move. He needed to be like the Sale acquisition, where you had everything else and just needed that top starter to make yourself a contender. This team really isn't close to that one.

 

[DKH]

Someone tell me why after the All-Star Break this year Garrett Crochet didn't pitch more than four innings in a single one of his 14 starts

Coming back from TJ …..proceed with caution

Strasberg blueprint

 

[EverettMike]

Just realized this means they're definitely going to sign Bregman and play him at second because they're very stupid.

 

[Smitty93]

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This is pure sex

You have to admit that after bringing in a pitching coach who's devalued 4-seam fastballs, their first major acquisition being someone whose success is driven by his 4-seamer is very funny