Red Sox/MLB 2025 Hot Stove - Mets land Juan Soto on 15-year, $765M deal

[CDJ]

Why?

As other teams add guys like Burnes, Crochet, Sasaki and possibly Cease, do you really think you're keeping pace by signing Buehler? You're more comfortable taking a risk on Buehler than Crochet?

I get that Boston fans think that they have 4 potential Bobby Witt Jrs as prospects and nobody wants to part with any of them, but that pitching staff isn't going to fix itself.

Buehler has been an ace and he recovered slowly from TJ before absolutely shoving late in the playoffs. Always been a playoff monster. Great pitcher when healthy, which he is now

And absolutely given Crochet’s cost to acquire and lack of track record. Though I wouldn’t be upset about Crochet, just all depends on cost to acquire

 

[GatorMike]

For what it's worth, I've defended ownership over the past few years, because I understood that the team was in the midst of a multi-year rebuild with the goal of eventually fielding a sustainable winner. I thought the plan was to rebuild the farm, insert a wave of quality, low-cost players into the roster, and then fill the holes with free agents.

If they fail to sign Corbin Burnes, it'll be the equivalent of getting to the doorway of the airplane with your parachute on, looking outside, and then refusing to jump. It'll be a metaphorical slap in the face to fans that have endured way too much garbage over the past six seasons.

Just as concerning to me is that nothing I'm hearing makes a great deal of sense. You want to sign Alex Bregman and play him at 2B? Why? What about Vaughn Grissom and/or Kristian Campbell? Raffy Devers stinks out loud at 3B, and Bregman's one of the best defensive 3B in all of baseball? You're scared of hurting Raffy's feelings by asking him to DH? We're going to give up young players/prospects in order to get Dylan Cease or Garrett Crochet? That's great... except that those two are going to require the kinds of contracts that you're apparently not willing to give the likes of Fried and Burnes and Snell. And if you aren't willing to pay Fried and Burnes, why on Earth would you trade away young talent to get Cease or Crochet?

I'm willing to wait and see where things end up this off-season. Maybe there are some appealing options that I'm not seeing at the moment. But I think the race to sign Corbin Burnes is a bit of an inflection point for me and how I'll view FSG moving forward.

 

[N o o d l e s]

I don't know if we can exactly say that. I think it's more that Breslow doesn't have a decisive or aggressive bone in his body (he basically even admitted that recently).

Are you sure?

Can’t develop an ace, won’t spend to sign one. What a time to be alive

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Buehler is my preference

Good luck.

 

[DKH]

Last season, righties had a .540 OPS against Fried.

Lefties had an .859 OPS.

Excellent - we should murder him with that lefty lineup

 

[DKH]

Are you sure?

Can’t develop an ace, won’t spend to sign one. What a time to be alive

I’m in on Pivetta and Sasaki

Sure I’d love Burnes but I’m good with Nick

Still need another arm

Just no bad trades (Casas & Mayer)

Casas gets Guerrero in a package but otherwise pass (not getting Gilbert)

Pitching scares the crap out of me after watching those 3 2023 Tampa studs having arm injuries / Bieber, DeGrom

This spin rate stuff kills these guys

 

[KrejciMVP]

For what it's worth, I've defended ownership over the past few years, because I understood that the team was in the midst of a multi-year rebuild with the goal of eventually fielding a sustainable winner. I thought the plan was to rebuild the farm, insert a wave of quality, low-cost players into the roster, and then fill the holes with free agents.

If they fail to sign Corbin Burnes, it'll be the equivalent of getting to the doorway of the airplane with your parachute on, looking outside, and then refusing to jump. It'll be a metaphorical slap in the face to fans that have endured way too much garbage over the past six seasons.

Just as concerning to me is that nothing I'm hearing makes a great deal of sense to me. You want to sign Alex Bregman and play him at 2B? Why? What about Vaughn Grissom and/or Kristian Campbell? Raffy Devers stinks out loud at 3B, and Bregman's one of the best defensive 3B in all of baseball? You're scared of hurting Raffy's feelings by asking him to DH? We're going to give up young players/prospects in order to get Dylan Cease or Garrett Crochet? That's great... except that those two are going to require the kinds of contracts that you're apparently not willing to give the likes of Fried and Burnes and Snell. And if you aren't willing to pay the likes of Fried and Burnes, why on Earth would you trade away young talent to get Cease or Crochet?

I'm willing to wait and see where things end up this off-season. Maybe there are some appealing options that I'm not seeing at the moment. But I think the race to sign Corbin Burnes is a bit of an inflection point for me and how I'll view FSG moving forward.

Well fans knew years ago this org has become a joke being as blatently obvuous as it was but it's good to see the last hold outs might see the same. A new owner with a desire to win and compete it what they need. Dragging this storied franchise to the depths fsg has to the point they are a punch line is a sad sight to see

 

[N o o d l e s]

I’m in on Pivetta and Sasaki

Sure I’d love Burnes but I’m good with Nick

Still need another arm

Just no bad trades (Casas & Mayer)

Casas gets Guerrero in a package but otherwise pass (not getting Gilbert)

Pitching scares the crap out of me after watching those 3 2023 Tampa studs having arm injuries / Bieber, DeGrom

This spin rate stuff kills these guys

There’s no reason to acquire Vlad now at all. If he wants to be here (he won’t), just sign him

 

[DKH]

There’s no reason to acquire Vlad now at all. If he wants to be here (he won’t), just sign him

They are going to throw kitchen sink at him if they due to Soto

 

[DKH]

Well fans knew years ago this org has become a joke being as blatently obvuous as it was but it's good to see the last hold outs might see the same. A new owner with a desire to win and compete it what they need. Dragging this storied franchise to the depths fsg has to the point they are a punch line is a sad sight to see

They aren’t getting a new owner - move past it

My best friend since childhood is involved/working with FSG because of his background in his golf merch business/PGA and is at Fenway monthly. He knows those guys and told me FSG is going to have their offices across street looking at Fenway ~ says 0.0 they are selling.

Luckily we still have free will and can avoid following them, or picking another team, or saying baseball is broken I’m going to do something else

Also aren’t you are a Rays fan ? You should be happy this team is hot garbage and probably comes in 5th

 

[KrejciMVP]

They aren’t getting a new owner - move past it

My best friend since childhood is involved/working with FSG because of his background in business/PGA and is at Fenway monthly. He knows those guys and told me FSG is going to have their offices across street looking at Fenway ~ says 0.0 they are selling.

Luckily we still have free will and can avoid following them, or picking another team, or saying baseball is broken I’m going to do something else

I don't think it's 0. They are the slum lords of MLB. An off they can't refuse comes along they'll sell.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Buehler has been an ace and he recovered slowly from TJ before absolutely shoving late in the playoffs. Always been a playoff monster. Great pitcher when healthy, which he is now

And absolutely given Crochet’s cost to acquire and lack of track record. Though I wouldn’t be upset about Crochet, just all depends on cost to acquire

Hardest of passes on the Dollar Tree Chris Sale. The guy might somehow be more fragile than Sale, he's on the wrong side of 30 and hasn't thrown over 80 innings in a season since 2021

Burnes/Crochet or bust

 

[GatorMike]

Well fans knew years ago this org has become a joke being as blatently obvuous as it was but it's good to see the last hold outs might see the same. A new owner with a desire to win and compete it what they need. Dragging this storied franchise to the depths fsg has to the point they are a punch line is a sad sight to see

For what it's worth, I think I've been pretty consistent with this.

I thought it was "blatantly obvious" that they were in the midst of a rebuild, even if they didn't want to admit it publicly. And I've said that there will eventually be a time for FSG to flex their financial muscle, and when that time comes, if they don't do it, they'll deserve to be criticized.

By the team's own admission, that time has arrived.

If they don't find a way to supplement the core they've developed, then they'll have earned every bit of criticism that's been thrown their way over the past 5+ years.

 

[Smitty93]

I'm not on Twitter, and don't follow G.G. (whoever the f*** that is), but if G.G. is telling me to follow Passan, then what the hell do I need G.G. for? Someone please explain?

That account's just an aggregator. Theoretically the value is in finding information you wouldn't otherwise see, but he's really just engagement farming.

 

[Shaun]

a high level fsg employee told me for the past 2 years their focus has been working towards getting an nba team probably in vegas when lebron retires. the red sox are just another part of the portfolio

 

[EverettMike]

a high level fsg employee told me for the past 2 years their focus has been working towards getting an nba team probably in vegas when lebron retires. the red sox are just another part of the portfolio

Yeah, exactly. Just another item on the asset sheet to make money from. The guys obsessed only with winning no longer own the team. These guys would like to win, but not at the expense of their bottom line.

It's become like rooting for some random mid-market team where you just hope every once in awhile things line up during the season, everything goes right, and they get into the playoffs. I suppose there are worse fates, but considering their resources and the market and the fan base it's a total disgrace.

 

[Smitty93]

For what it's worth, I've defended ownership over the past few years, because I understood that the team was in the midst of a multi-year rebuild with the goal of eventually fielding a sustainable winner. I thought the plan was to rebuild the farm, insert a wave of quality, low-cost players into the roster, and then fill the holes with free agents.

If they fail to sign Corbin Burnes, it'll be the equivalent of getting to the doorway of the airplane with your parachute on, looking outside, and then refusing to jump. It'll be a metaphorical slap in the face to fans that have endured way too much garbage over the past six seasons.

Just as concerning to me is that nothing I'm hearing makes a great deal of sense. You want to sign Alex Bregman and play him at 2B? Why? What about Vaughn Grissom and/or Kristian Campbell? Raffy Devers stinks out loud at 3B, and Bregman's one of the best defensive 3B in all of baseball? You're scared of hurting Raffy's feelings by asking him to DH? We're going to give up young players/prospects in order to get Dylan Cease or Garrett Crochet? That's great... except that those two are going to require the kinds of contracts that you're apparently not willing to give the likes of Fried and Burnes and Snell. And if you aren't willing to pay Fried and Burnes, why on Earth would you trade away young talent to get Cease or Crochet?

I'm willing to wait and see where things end up this off-season. Maybe there are some appealing options that I'm not seeing at the moment. But I think the race to sign Corbin Burnes is a bit of an inflection point for me and how I'll view FSG moving forward.

Bregman would be such a classic FSG move. Spending money, but inefficiently.

"Look, we spent!"
"Yeah, on something you didn't actually need"

 

[GatorMike]

a high level fsg employee told me for the past 2 years their focus has been working towards getting an nba team probably in vegas when lebron retires. the red sox are just another part of the portfolio

So, they didn't sign Max Fried because they need the money for a team in Vegas they don't own yet?

You don't really believe that, do you?

 

[Smitty93]

Are you sure?

Can’t develop an ace, won’t spend to sign one. What a time to be alive

I don't know, it feels exactly like what I said. They'll limp in on the negotiations, finish 2nd or, more likely, 3rd. If Burnes was willing to take less to join them, they'd have no problem paying the contract. But they're not decisive, so if Boras told them he'll sign if they offer 5% more, but he needs an answer in 30 minutes, they'd ask for a day to consider and lose out.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

So, they didn't sign Max Fried because they need the money for a team in Vegas they don't own yet?

You don't really believe that, do you?

So you never saved money, not spend it on something now, to be able to use that money you plan on buying later?

 

[N o o d l e s]

Buehler has been an ace and he recovered slowly from TJ before absolutely shoving late in the playoffs. Always been a playoff monster. Great pitcher when healthy, which he is now

And absolutely given Crochet’s cost to acquire and lack of track record. Though I wouldn’t be upset about Crochet, just all depends on cost to acquire

I’m sorry but he can’t be the big addition. Between him and Giolito, it’s highly likely that by July we just have the exact same rotation we have now cause they’re out for the season. I’d love him for the playoffs but have no indication we’d be there or he would not be injured.

He’s the perfect guy to bring in alongside with another big addition. I just don’t see how you can rely on him in any way

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

a high level fsg employee told me for the past 2 years their focus has been working towards getting an nba team probably in vegas when lebron retires. the red sox are just another part of the portfolio

it's been obvious for a while the Sox are just a business venture now, all they care about is if the line on the balance sheet is red or black

So, they didn't sign Max Fried because they need the money for a team in Vegas they don't own yet?

You don't really believe that, do you?

Its one of the worst kept secrets in sports that FSG/LeBron are getting a Vegas NBA expansion franchise

 

[DKH]

it's been obvious for a while the Sox are just a business venture now, all they care about is if the line on the balance sheet is red or black



Its one of the worst kept secrets in sports that FSG/LeBron are getting a Vegas NBA expansion franchise

Yeh 0.0 buying

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Yeh 0.0 buying

Was this your reply before they bought the Penguins?

 

[DKH]

I don't know, it feels exactly like what I said. They'll limp in on the negotiations, finish 2nd or, more likely, 3rd. If Burnes was willing to take less to join them, they'd have no problem paying the contract. But they're not decisive, so if Boras told them he'll sign if they offer 5% more, but he needs an answer in 30 minutes, they'd ask for a day to consider and lose out.

Where is Burns signing ?

Playing for Boston isn’t exactly Camelot

Was thus your reply before they bought the Penguins?

They want to win they aren’t trashing the team

Feel free to disagree and believe you are correct we will never agree on this