Speculation: 2025-2026 Offseason Thread 2: lol Kucherov is never winning another MVP again is he?

[JTBF81]

How did JBB f up the Howard pick so bad?

I mean...was any scouting done...any conversations about expectations with the prospect?

This is rookie GM stuff...Jeannot? Dude went from turning everything to gold to turning everything to lead.

SMDH. Let's finish this last season or two and get on with some major changes.

Tick tock, tick tock.

I guess that what happens when you trade all your 1st rounders...you don't know what to do with them when you use them.

EPIC FAIL

So he made one bad trade and a draft pick became a crybaby because he Tampa wouldn't literally just hand him what he wanted. Got it. Anything new, or.just the usual sky is falling rhetoric.

 

[JTBF81]

Toews is interesting if he signs close to league min. There's no reason for him to come back other than to chase a cup.

Agreed, Tampa should be happy if he'll take close to or league min to play here. I still hope JBB can perhaps convince better quality bottom 6 players like Frederic, Lorentz, Brazeau etc to sign post July 1. I think they can realistically add two of these types in addition to re-signing Goncalves, which should solidify the bottom lines and give the team much better depth. With Bjorkstrand and Gourde also back for a full season,Tampa would have a very solid forward group.

 

[Stammertime91]

Yeah Frederic would be great. He's such an improvement in our bottom six. His 1g and 3a in 20 games along with his inability to move the needle against the Panthers is exactly what we need.

When you defend mediocrity you get accustomed to it.

 

[Sky04]

Why would the Oilers trade Drai for Kuch, his skillset is significantly more valuable for them and he doesn't get shut down in the playoffs.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

I'd like to take a moment on this Father's Day morning to give a shout out to the Boston Bruins who are the Leafs daddy and it will never not be funny or stop being funny

 

[T REX]

Yeah Frederic would be great. He's such an improvement in our bottom six. His 1g and 3a in 20 games along with his inability to move the needle against the Panthers is exactly what we need.

When you defend mediocrity you get accustomed to it.

Frederic sucks. Panthers beotch. Useless.

 

[Felonious Python]

Orlando Magic trying to copy JBB's steeze for trading tons of picks for some guy I've never heard of.

The Orlando Magic are acquiring guard Desmond Bane from the Memphis Grizzlies in a blockbuster deal, ESPN reported Sunday.
In return, Memphis will receive guards Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, per the report.

I don't think I've watched an NBA game in at least 25 years, so I don't know any of these people, to be fair.

 

[RSchmitz PhD]

Orlando Magic trying to copy JBB's steeze for trading tons of picks for some guy I've never heard of.


I don't think I've watched an NBA game in at least 25 years, so I don't know any of these people, to be fair.

Jesus, four unprotected 1sts. I don’t know shit about basketball either but that seems like a lot

 

[Crunchrulz]

Yeah Frederic would be great. He's such an improvement in our bottom six. His 1g and 3a in 20 games along with his inability to move the needle against the Panthers is exactly what we need.

When you defend mediocrity you get accustomed to it.

Not to mention he is expected to be in the $3.5 to $4 mil annual price range. No thanks.

 

[Zwui21]

If we have the chance to get him, we absolutely have to.
He' be a ppg player for the next 8 years, and he's currently nowhere near his ceiling as a player.
JBB do your thing.

 

[Zwui21]

 

[JTBF81]

Tampa could afford Frederic around 3 million, as long as they move Sheary's full hit. He may be more than what JBB wants to spend, but he's a solid add to the bottom 6 if Tampa could get him cheaper than expected. I'd still expect a couple of players closer in price to Lorentz or Brazeau, or maybe someone like Tanev if he makes it to ufa. The space should be there, provided Sheary is moved, for a couple of these guys plus the likely re-signing of Goncalves.

 

[creg]

Tampa could afford Frederic around 3 million, as long as they move Sheary's full hit. He may be more than what JBB wants to spend, but he's a solid add to the bottom 6 if Tampa could get him cheaper than expected. I'd still expect a couple of players closer in price to Lorentz or Brazeau, or maybe someone like Tanev if he makes it to ufa. The space should be there, provided Sheary is moved, for a couple of these guys plus the likely re-signing of Goncalves.

Frederic has been like truly horrible in this series, he's like peak Jeannot 2.0 and is apparently asking for a 3.15x7 from EDM. Using our remaining cap space on him feels like it would be a massive mistake.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Is converting Tuch back to center too crazy of an idea to work? I mean there's a reason this guy was put on the wing

 

[JTBF81]

Frederic has been like truly horrible in this series, he's like peak Jeannot 2.0 and is apparently asking for a 3.15x7 from EDM. Using our remaining cap space on him feels like it would be a massive mistake.

It's one series. With an actual sample size worth looking at, he's been solid for his role. I think there could be better uses for the space by adding a couple of players instead, but he wouldn't be aome terrible add or a mistake (if JBB could get him cheaper than expected). I'd still look more at guys in the range of Lorentz, Brazeau, Tanev, Armia, Saad for ufa's that may be available and are expected at 2.5 or less I believe.

 

[RSchmitz PhD]

It's one series. With an actual sample size worth looking at, he's been solid for his role. I think there could be better uses for the space by adding a couple of players instead, but he wouldn't be aome terrible add or a mistake (if JBB could get him cheaper than expected). I'd still look more at guys in the range of Lorentz, Brazeau, Tanev, Armia, Saad for ufa's that may be available and are expected at 2.5 or less I believe.

I'd easily give 3m per for Frederic and not think twice.

 

[Stammertime91]

Cirellis mom wanting Trent Frederic isnt surprising. More mediocrity.

We can do better...

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Cirellis mom wanting Trent Frederic isnt surprising. More mediocrity.

We can do better...

Frederic is fine, but not at that price. If he was coming in at 1.5m, I'd have no problem with it. But he wants bigger money and its not worth it.

 

[JTBF81]

Despite Stammer's dad's inability to not furiously respond to any post I make (very obvious since basically whenever I post the next reply or two is someone responding to whatever the latest drivel they posted), Frederic is the kind of player that would help Tampa in the bottom 6. He did deal with injuries this year which cost him time and overall production, but given the increase over the previous two years and the size and physicality he brings most of the time, at 3 million it wouldn't be a bad deal. I don't think he'll take that, but he's certainly a name that, should he reach ufa status, JBB should at least kick tires about. Forwards that are more likely due to projected aav and still fit Tampa's needs would be Lorentz, Brazeau, Bjugstad, Tanev and probably Armia. These are all realistic targets (along with others in this range) for the team that can provide solid depth and size in the bottom 6 while fitting under Tampa's probable cap situation. As long as Sheary is traded, they should be able to fit at least one, if not two of these types amd have a bottom 6 that will look reasonably different (and improved with any luck) this coming season.

 

[RSchmitz PhD]

Frederic is fine, but not at that price. If he was coming in at 1.5m, I'd have no problem with it. But he wants bigger money and its not worth it.

Cirellis mom wanting Trent Frederic isnt surprising. More mediocrity.

We can do better...

Frederic is exactly what this team needs and would be worth every penny, but I just don't think we make another move at forward. We have perhaps the deepest top 9 in hockey already, plus Goncalves and Chaffee, there are only so many forward spots available.

I think our remaining cap space will go to a defenseman like Fabbro or via trade.

 

[Ducati Boy]

Despite Stammer's dad's inability to not furiously respond to any post I make (very obvious since basically whenever I post the next reply or two is someone responding to whatever the latest drivel they posted), Frederic is the kind of player that would help Tampa in the bottom 6. He did deal with injuries this year which cost him time and overall production, but given the increase over the previous two years and the size and physicality he brings most of the time, at 3 million it wouldn't be a bad deal. I don't think he'll take that, but he's certainly a name that, should he reach ufa status, JBB should at least kick tires about. Forwards that are more likely due to projected aav and still fit Tampa's needs would be Lorentz, Brazeau, Bjugstad, Tanev and probably Armia. These are all realistic targets (along with others in this range) for the team that can provide solid depth and size in the bottom 6 while fitting under Tampa's probable cap situation. As long as Sheary is traded, they should be able to fit at least one, if not two of these types amd have a bottom 6 that will look reasonably different (and improved with any luck) this coming season.

Big pass on Brazeau who’s very soft for his size. Lorentz is more of a jack of all trades type and he looked decent against Fla. Freddy is one big bag of hockey sense short of being a useful player. Ergo, Lorentz for the 4th line, but I’d give up my sixth born for Peterka, who is shaping up to get an all-star nod someday.

 

[Stammertime91]

Frederic is fine, but not at that price. If he was coming in at 1.5m, I'd have no problem with it. But he wants bigger money and its not worth it.

That's the thing though, he's going to get paid. And likely, overpaid by someone in FA. Hard pass. Add in the fact he's done f*** all against the team we are trying to load up to beat, no thanks.

Despite Stammer's dad's inability to not furiously respond to any post I make (very obvious since basically whenever I post the next reply or two is someone responding to whatever the latest drivel they posted), Frederic is the kind of player that would help Tampa in the bottom 6. He did deal with injuries this year which cost him time and overall production, but given the increase over the previous two years and the size and physicality he brings most of the time, at 3 million it wouldn't be a bad deal. I don't think he'll take that, but he's certainly a name that, should he reach ufa status, JBB should at least kick tires about. Forwards that are more likely due to projected aav and still fit Tampa's needs would be Lorentz, Brazeau, Bjugstad, Tanev and probably Armia. These are all realistic targets (along with others in this range) for the team that can provide solid depth and size in the bottom 6 while fitting under Tampa's probable cap situation. As long as Sheary is traded, they should be able to fit at least one, if not two of these types amd have a bottom 6 that will look reasonably different (and improved with any luck) this coming season.

Furiously? Dude, I laugh at every single post you make. I know exactly the direction you're heading the moment I start reading. It's a 500 word novel that loops back to keeping Cirelli. Not sure why you're bringing up Stamkos seeing as I don't spend my every post defending him and wanting him back. Lol. Tanev and Armia fall into Frederic category, good fits but likely too expensive. If only your non-Selke winning son didn't make so much and fail to shut down Barkov, maybe our situation would be different.

Frederic is exactly what this team needs and would be worth every penny, but I just don't think we make another move at forward. We have perhaps the deepest top 9 in hockey already, plus Goncalves and Chaffee, there are only so many forward spots available.

I think our remaining cap space will go to a defenseman like Fabbro or via trade.

His style, sure. 100%. Factoring in probably 4M by a dumbass GM, no way. The issue with Frederic for even 3M is that he'd have to play on the 3rd line or you're building a rather expensive 4th line with possibly Gourde down there already. Him with Paul and Bjorkstrand probably wouldn't be the worst, but Goncalves, Chaffee, Girgensons, and Gourde have to go somewhere... I don't think he's a fit.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Frederic is exactly what this team needs and would be worth every penny, but I just don't think we make another move at forward. We have perhaps the deepest top 9 in hockey already, plus Goncalves and Chaffee, there are only so many forward spots available.

I think our remaining cap space will go to a defenseman like Fabbro or via trade.

Disagree about this team needing Frederic. Personally think this team needs Lorentz. Frederic wants long term cash. Lorentz is basically a more versatile version of Frederic, similar play style, more physical, similar output, for probably half the price.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Big pass on Brazeau who’s very soft for his size. Lorentz is more of a jack of all trades type and he looked decent against Fla. Freddy is one big bag of hockey sense short of being a useful player. Ergo, Lorentz for the 4th line, but I’d give up my sixth born for Peterka, who is shaping up to get an all-star nod someday.

I don't think Buffalo would even do Cirelli + Howard for Peterka.

 

[Stammertime91]

I don't think Buffalo would even do Cirelli + Howard for Peterka.

The fact that Peterka may be available makes the Bjorkstrand trade irritating. Had we held off and kept the minimal assets, we'd have more cap and could go after someone like him. As it stands, landing Peterka with Bjork is redundancy (even though Peterka is better and an unreached ceiling). Easier to judge this in hindsight but I think JBB has lost his trade deadline magic. These moves are tilting more in the direction of desperation than logical. Just my opinion but he needs a hell of an offseason here.

I dont feel this team is championship material as it stands.