OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

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Washington kicked off the season as a 150-1 long shot to win the Super Bowl and drifted as long as 250-1 at sportsbooks ahead of Week 3. With a win Sunday, the Commanders would tie the 1999 St. Louis Rams for the longest preseason odds for a Super Bowl participant since the NFL adopted a 16-game schedule in 1978, according to betting archive SportsOddsHistory.com.

Very few bettors were willing to take a shot on Washington in the preseason. A $500 Super Bowl bet at 150-1, placed Aug. 17 by a bettor in Virginia with Caesars Sportsbook, is among the largest reported preseason wagers on the Commanders.
 
If they look as good as they did in Detroit they are going to win this game. Offense looked so comfortable that every time they got the ball it was only a matter of how long it takes for them to score.

Barkley is a huge treat but i think we got this. Lions overally were a better team than Eagles, even though their defense is worse.
Not to piss on anyone’s Cheerios, but….

Detroits defense was not only BAD, it was severely injured. Like, a lot

The game was indoors. It’s easy for an offense to execute really well, indoors. Far harder w the elements (did you watch the Eagles/Rams game?)

Eagles defense is FAR better than the Lions. Like not even close. Especially the corners, and the D-line. Totally different animal here

So, pump the brakes a little bit, please brother.

Pride always comes before the fall.
 
Not to piss on anyone’s Cheerios, but….

Detroits defense was not only BAD, it was severely injured. Like, a lot

The game was indoors. It’s easy for an offense to execute really well, indoors. Far harder w the elements (did you watch the Eagles/Rams game?)

Eagles defense is FAR better than the Lions. Like not even close. Especially the corners, and the D-line. Totally different animal here

So, pump the brakes a little bit, please brother.

Pride always comes before the fall.
Yep this….its like their strengths play well against our weaknesses. I’m cautiously afraid of losing, but would not be surprised if we make it to the show. As someone else said, depends on Hurts and how he shows out (and not letting Barkley gash us badly).
 
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We scored 36 on them last time and held them to 4 FGs in the second half, but that was with Picket playing. But we also turned the ball over 5 times against them and still won, which is super rare. Both teams play in the same weather so if it slows us down it will slow them down. Sunday is supposed to be 39 and cloudy but no snow so it really shouldn't hurt the offenses much.

Bottom line is I think we CAN win, but we'll definitely need some breaks to go our way, and that's often what the playoffs are about. We certainly don't outscore Detroit without the 5 turnovers. So I mean, if we get 5 turnovers we'll crush them, if we turn the ball over 5 times, it will be really hard, and if the turnovers are pretty even, I think our offense will pull it out. I also think, if Jayden has a chance to win it, he will. He's a terminator robot, not a human being.
 
Not to piss on anyone’s Cheerios, but….

Detroits defense was not only BAD, it was severely injured. Like, a lot

The game was indoors. It’s easy for an offense to execute really well, indoors. Far harder w the elements (did you watch the Eagles/Rams game?)

Eagles defense is FAR better than the Lions. Like not even close. Especially the corners, and the D-line. Totally different animal here

So, pump the brakes a little bit, please brother.

Pride always comes before the fall.
Yea, watching the breakdowns, the Lions defense was comically bad. Also, A. Glenn kept blitzing Jayden and he just diced them up. I expect Fangio to mostly drop guys in coverage, and try to get pressure with Carter and their DL. We’re not gonna see Dyami running wide open by 10 yds.

So, I think we see Jayden use his legs a lot more, as they try to lock down our receivers. Hope we have a viable run game with BRob/Ek to help. As always, we’ll have to keep converting those 4th downs to have a chance.

On defense, I don’t f***ing know, lol. So tired of this ‘pick your poison’ Eagles offense that can screw around for 3Q’s, argue on the sideline, but then still beat you with their talent. Obviously if Hurts’ knee limits his mobility, we can crash down on Barkley (like in the 2nd half of the game in DC). Make Hurts beat you w his arm - and just hope that Lattimore/Mikey can hold up enough against Brown/Smith. Bend but don’t break in the RZ.

Gonna be hard, but certainly doable. This is such a likeable team - they all know their roles and what they have to do to help the team win. HAIL!
 
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“Brian Schottenheimer is known as a career assistant,” Jones said. “He ain’t Brian no more. He is now known as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.”

- Jerry Jones

I wonder how long Jerruh has been sitting on that line. Probably made the hire cause it sounded cool in his head. Is he trying to troll Cowboys fans at this point?

Oh, and Eberflus is the “prime candidate” to be the DC. Is it possible to die from laughter? LOL
 
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Thank the heavens above that we sucked in 2023 exactly enough to land JD, and that we're not left to sort through the expired goods rack that is these two goofballs. "Generational is every hundred years". He needs to hang out on HF more. Poor Giants :naughty:



Also, "steps were skipped" LOL


"I think he's 37 starts in his [college] career, one offense, one coach," Poles said, via ESPN Chicago. "This game, the playbook, is a completely different animal. The responsibility of a quarterback in the pros is different. That takes a lot of adjusting to. How you set up the foundation is really, really important. I really think at some point there were some steps skipped to get him to game day."

This was a topic of dispute here before the draft, and a few of us argued that the QBs with more experience, and the ones who had transferred between programs, might have a leg up from that added experience and the demonstration that they can learn/adapt to new systems. Some validation of that idea.

Poles not only admitted that there were "steps skipped" in Williams's preparation, but that he did not master the fundamentals needed to operate at the level of an NFL starting quarterback. Poles believes new head coach Ben Johnson will change that.

"I know Ben's going to do it, go back and reestablish that foundation so that he can be a true professional and operate like he should at the level," Poles said. "How you work protections, move the line, how you set up the run game, how you go through your reads, how you work your feet, all of those. There's a lot of those fundamentals and basics that need to be mastered first before you move on to the next thing. I've got a lot of faith that we're going to be able to get that done."


Yes, that's partly a coaching failure, but it's as much, if not more, on the player and his make-up. Even if we didn't have DQ and KK, does anybody think Jayden wouldn't still be at the practice facility at 5:00, or that he wouldn't have been running phantom sets from the playbook on his flight to DC from the draft? That he wouldn't be picking veterans' brains, on both sides of the ball?

There was also a lot pre-draft of back & forth here on maturity -- really, mostly around Caleb -- and I think this vindicates the skeptics (of which I was not necessarily one, so crow served!)

In the end, more reinforcement that we got the real prize -- and sweeter with the almost certain knowledge that we would have picked right even if we had the 1OA.
 
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"I think he's 37 starts in his [college] career, one offense, one coach," Poles said, via ESPN Chicago. "This game, the playbook, is a completely different animal. The responsibility of a quarterback in the pros is different. That takes a lot of adjusting to. How you set up the foundation is really, really important. I really think at some point there were some steps skipped to get him to game day."

This was a topic of dispute here before the draft, and a few of us argued that the QBs with more experience, and the ones who had transferred between programs, might have a leg up from that added experience and the demonstration that they can learn/adapt to new systems. Some validation of that idea.

Poles not only admitted that there were "steps skipped" in Williams's preparation, but that he did not master the fundamentals needed to operate at the level of an NFL starting quarterback. Poles believes new head coach Ben Johnson will change that.

"I know Ben's going to do it, go back and reestablish that foundation so that he can be a true professional and operate like he should at the level," Poles said. "How you work protections, move the line, how you set up the run game, how you go through your reads, how you work your feet, all of those. There's a lot of those fundamentals and basics that need to be mastered first before you move on to the next thing. I've got a lot of faith that we're going to be able to get that done."


Yes, that's partly a coaching failure, but it's as much, if not more, on the player and his make-up. Even if we didn't have DQ and KK, does anybody think Jayden wouldn't still be at the practice facility at 5:00, or that he wouldn't have been running phantom sets from the playbook on his flight to DC from the draft? That he wouldn't be picking veterans' brains, on both sides of the ball?

There was also a lot pre-draft of back & forth here on maturity -- really, mostly around Caleb -- and I think this vindicates the skeptics (of which I was not necessarily one, so crow served!)

In the end, more reinforcement that we got the real prize -- and sweeter with the almost certain knowledge that we would have picked right even if we had the 1OA.
Hard to take Poles seriously here. It feels like a no brainer thing to develop a #1 drafted QB to create a transitional offensive scheme to maximize his best immediate traits and look at it as a multi-season process to best develop a college QB into NFL standard type offenses. A good example that offense that Shanahan and co. developed for RG3 that epic first season.
 
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"I think he's 37 starts in his [college] career, one offense, one coach," Poles said, via ESPN Chicago. "This game, the playbook, is a completely different animal. The responsibility of a quarterback in the pros is different. That takes a lot of adjusting to. How you set up the foundation is really, really important. I really think at some point there were some steps skipped to get him to game day."

This was a topic of dispute here before the draft, and a few of us argued that the QBs with more experience, and the ones who had transferred between programs, might have a leg up from that added experience and the demonstration that they can learn/adapt to new systems. Some validation of that idea.

Poles not only admitted that there were "steps skipped" in Williams's preparation, but that he did not master the fundamentals needed to operate at the level of an NFL starting quarterback. Poles believes new head coach Ben Johnson will change that.

"I know Ben's going to do it, go back and reestablish that foundation so that he can be a true professional and operate like he should at the level," Poles said. "How you work protections, move the line, how you set up the run game, how you go through your reads, how you work your feet, all of those. There's a lot of those fundamentals and basics that need to be mastered first before you move on to the next thing. I've got a lot of faith that we're going to be able to get that done."


Yes, that's partly a coaching failure, but it's as much, if not more, on the player and his make-up. Even if we didn't have DQ and KK, does anybody think Jayden wouldn't still be at the practice facility at 5:00, or that he wouldn't have been running phantom sets from the playbook on his flight to DC from the draft? That he wouldn't be picking veterans' brains, on both sides of the ball?

There was also a lot pre-draft of back & forth here on maturity -- really, mostly around Caleb -- and I think this vindicates the skeptics (of which I was not necessarily one, so crow served!)

In the end, more reinforcement that we got the real prize -- and sweeter with the almost certain knowledge that we would have picked right even if we had the 1OA.
Hmm, Caleb’s lack of work-habits (or lacking professionalism in some part), was not necessarily how I took those remarks. Seems like he’s blaming coaching. Though it’s kinda funny that he’s the GM, and his vibe is “if only we caught the guy who presided over this complete organizational failure!” <giant eye roll>

Still not sure what to make of Caleb. Intriguing talent. But, many of the concerns about him (holds the ball too long, plays hero ball) remain. Outside of some 4th Q rallies, he didn’t show much improvement from his college game. The most worrying thing (if I was a Bears fan) was his accuracy issues this year. Bottom of the league in off target%, and couldn’t complete a pass > 20yds to save his life.

In any event, we’ll see how next year goes under BJ. Coaching issues aside, I guess he was more of a project than most realized.
 
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I hope he’s rich, lonely, and miserable for the rest of his life. It’ll be nice knowing he knows money can’t buy him what he always wanted — to be respected and to be a part of the cool kids club. Even buying an NFL team and becoming a billionaire many times over doesn’t change the fact that he’s still a little weasel that nobody likes, the same as it’s been for him his whole life. The worst of it for Dan: he fell in love with the Redskins when his dad used to take him to games and he knows deep down that his dad would be ashamed at his performance as the steward of the franchise. Don’t care how much money you have or where you come from, every son grows up hoping they make their father proud.
 
Fellas, don't know why I haven't mentioned this before but I'm officially becoming a father to a baby boy in March. If anyone has any advice for a first-time parent, it is more than welcome. Thrilled that he will be able to cheer for an exciting competitive team as opposed to what we've had to bear for so many years. Here's to many many more years of Jayden magic.

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f***ing congrats man …

1. Don’t be afraid to take the vacuum right to them. They’re assholes and destructive. My littlest just took a dried veggie stick and crumbled it to dust in his hands while making direct eye contact with me.

2. Goaltend your drinks. Little f***ers love to dunk shit in there. From coffee in the am to beers at night. Invest in those tumbler cups w lids.

3. You will see a lot of sunrises first 6 months. Embrace it, the whole process. I’d go on nature hikes when the sun rises, got into bird watching, we’d literally take a nap under a tree by a lake sometimes.

I got a lil dude repeatedly putting a book in my face as I type this … f***er can’t read, just being an asshole. Sees dad with a moment of free time and he gets creative
 
Hmm, Caleb’s lack of work-habits (or lacking professionalism in some part), was not necessarily how I took those remarks. Seems like he’s blaming coaching. Though it’s kinda funny that he’s the GM, and his vibe is “if only we caught the guy who presided over this complete organizational failure!” <giant eye roll>

Still not sure what to make of Caleb. Intriguing talent. But, many of the concerns about him (holds the ball too long, plays hero ball) remain. Outside of some 4th Q rallies, he didn’t show much improvement from his college game. The most worrying thing (if I was a Bears fan) was his accuracy issues this year. Bottom of the league in off target%, and couldn’t complete a pass > 20yds to save his life.

In any event, we’ll see how next year goes under BJ. Coaching issues aside, I guess he was more of a project than most realized.
Yep agreed….
 

Crazy the lengths he went to, to try and torpedo the deal. What a petty, bitter, tiny “man”.



SNYDER NEVER WANTED to sell, even after putting the Commanders up for sale. Few people outside the league, Harris' company, or the Commanders organization know that he tried desperately to blow up the sale at the last minute.

Snyder had been pressured into the sale by fellow owners who roundly hated him and league executives eager to see the franchise returned to its former glory -- and profitability. Former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue recently told confidants that Snyder is "the worst owner in the history of the National Football League."

A source with direct knowledge said that, after months of negotiations with Harris, Snyder was imagining ways to keep his team. One idea, the source said, was to announce that he had years earlier given up alcohol, and to say that much of his alleged misbehavior over the years that caused so much league and fellow owner angst happened while he was drunk. Snyder also purposefully set a minimum price of $6 billion for the Commanders, knowing that few people, even among the ultrarich, could afford that price tag.

Suddenly, the sale's closing -- a supposed formality -- turned into an eleventh-hour drama, multiple sources with direct knowledge told ESPN. Snyder threatened to kill the deal by refusing to share his bank information, preventing Harris from wiring him the money. At 1 a.m. on July 21, Snyder and his wife were fielding phone calls from various executives and confidants, urging him to do what he'd pledged and let go of the team.

"I don't want to do this," Snyder told a confidant.

A rally celebrating Harris' ownership group was scheduled for later that day at the since-renamed FedEx Field.

But as 1 a.m. became 2 a.m., Snyder was refusing to hand over the stadium keys.

"I don't care!" Snyder said, according to sources with direct knowledge of what transpired in those hours. "It would be trespassing if anyone goes there. It's still mine!"

Months later, Tad Brown, CEO of HBSE, told confidants, "We don't get the Commanders if not for Joe Gibbs."

Despite Snyder's protests about the $60 million fine, it was paid July 21 "as part of the overall transaction," a league official confirmed.
 


The more Dan Snyder is suffering, the more just the world becomes. Loved reading this. Don't care if it's petty.

Hmm, Caleb’s lack of work-habits (or lacking professionalism in some part), was not necessarily how I took those remarks. Seems like he’s blaming coaching. Though it’s kinda funny that he’s the GM, and his vibe is “if only we caught the guy who presided over this complete organizational failure!” <giant eye roll>

Still not sure what to make of Caleb. Intriguing talent. But, many of the concerns about him (holds the ball too long, plays hero ball) remain. Outside of some 4th Q rallies, he didn’t show much improvement from his college game. The most worrying thing (if I was a Bears fan) was his accuracy issues this year. Bottom of the league in off target%, and couldn’t complete a pass > 20yds to save his life.

In any event, we’ll see how next year goes under BJ. Coaching issues aside, I guess he was more of a project than most realized.

If only someone had pointed this all out before the draft 🤣
 

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