Circus86
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GDT: 2024 TDL thread. Post all trades, rumors, and etc around the league. (TDL, Friday 3/8 @ 3pm ET)
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Rongomania
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We don't have a good, smart enough staff to make such a deal
eco's bones
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It's quite possible that the Pens ask from us was a lot more unreasonable than their ask from the Canes. They might be quite swept away with the projections they see for Koivunen and Ponamaryov. It's also possible that they liked Bunting more than any roster player the Rangers were offering. Or even that the Rangers sounded out Guentzel about extending and didn't like what they heard back.
The way I see it, a) othmann & gave>>>>than those prospects but those prospects better than syky or berard. Also Carolina is also prob more comfortable giving up bunting compared to nyr giving up kk or cuylle because they’ll need to make another move where guentz fits right into bunting spot. Plus Dubas is prob more comfortable w/bunting knowing him from Toronto.
6. Vasili Ponomaryov, C, 21 (Chicago Wolves)
After becoming a likable player who many believed was a better pro prospect than his good but not great production in the QMJHL indicated, Ponomaryov has impressed in the AHL over the last three seasons to outperform prospects of greater prior pedigree and become a call-up option for the Canes.I’ve watched him play a lot over the years and he’s a hard player to dislike. He’s always on the puck, he’s got great hands, he can penalty kill, he passes the puck well and he opens up to make himself available offensively. While he’s not the biggest, strongest, fastest, or most talented kid, he understands how to play from A to B. He’s also stronger than you might think at a cursory glance and uses his body positioning to come up with his fair share of pucks. And then he also has skill — enough to deceive, pick apart schemes with the puck and make plays off of all of the retrievals he wins. I’m a fan. He has some intriguing qualities, he’s versatile and he plays the same way regardless of how much he’s playing or who he’s playing with. I’m not sure if he’ll be a full-time NHLer as opposed to a tweener, because it is a little hard to decipher what his role will be, but he showed well in his first call-up and has always been a well-liked player wherever he has gone.
7. Ville Koivunen, RW/LW, 20 (Kärpät)
Koivunen’s a highly entertaining and gifted winger who has been one of the more productive young players in Liiga (especially considering his June birthday) over the last three seasons (though after he impressed in the first two games of the canceled world juniors in Edmonton, he disappointed me in Halifax).He can be a delight to watch with the puck on his stick when he’s playing confidently. He’s a crafty problem-solver whose game tilts toward offense (he’s got work to do to become a more reliable player defensively, although he can hang). He can manufacture offense in a lot of ways off of the perimeter, whether that’s playing pucks into space with the perfect weight or baiting defenders into reaches so that he can cut past them. He can carve the offensive zone up as a dual-threat scorer and passer. I’ve also seen him look quite effective taking pucks off the cycle to the interior (though not consistently), even though he’s more dangerous in open ice. I’ve seen him twist and turn away from good defenders. He has also had a bit of a growth spurt (he was listed at 5-foot-11 and 161 pounds in his draft year and he’s 6 feet and 172 pounds). I still see potential top-nine upside with the right development plan and some patience, even if his odds of meeting it are low to medium.
9. Cruz Lucius, RW, 19 (University of Wisconsin)
After battling a wrist injury in his draft year, Lucius came on strong late in it with 12 points in his final 10 games at the program on a dominant “third” line with captain Rutger McGroarty. In the two years since, he has built on that with back-to-back seasons as the Badgers’ leading scorer (about a point per game) as a freshman and sophomore.Lucius is a patient playmaker who slows the game down and uses delays, lightly weighted passes and the attention he pulls into himself to create through layers for his linemates. Like his older brother Chaz, his skating (which pitchforks) is the primary concern with his projection. But he plays within the pace of play so well, problem solves really effectively and has a sneaky quick and accurate release that I wrote in his draft year I believed was going to produce greater goal totals than we’d seen to date (which we’ve seen more of in college). He will ultimately be defined, though, by his ability to continue to wait for plays to develop and stay cerebral as the speed of the level around him ramps up. If he can, he’ll be a complementary playmaking winger. He has never lacked confidence and decisiveness in his game.
2024 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 13 Carolina Hurricanes
Even after making 10 picks in 2023, the Hurricanes' pool actually slides by one position this year.
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Pittsburgh did not allow teams to speak with Guentzel's agent. I heard he is looking for $9M per AAV. A few days ago, Nick Kypreos said he heard Guentzel had softened on his contract demands. He wants a big contract. He turns 30 in October.
Ron Hextall re-signed Letang and Malkin in 2022. He also gave Rakell $30M. Dubas added Karlsson at $10M per. $40M. Graves. Acciari. Eller. Jarry. Smith. Dubas couldn't build around the big 4 in Toronto. This guy will do some job in Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh could have done a full reset by not putting the band back together two summers ago. They are stuck now.
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I read the Ducks wanted Kakko and a first for Vatrano and Henrique and Drury said no. Good for him.
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Pittsburgh didn't get Carolina's top prospects, but I think they did well. One kid is a point a game in the Liiga at 20. Another is a point a game at 19 in the NCAA and the other is putting up solid numbers in the AHL at 21. The equivalent from the Rangers probably would have been Berard, Sykora and Lamb. We would have had to put in guaranteed 1st instead of the conditional 1st and 5th, and something else to make up for Bunting.
That's a lot for a pending UFA. I'm very glad we didn't do it.
That's a lot for a pending UFA. I'm very glad we didn't do it.
I rather deal for players that don’t have much trade value but still can help the Rangers. If they are going to give up a lot of quality prospects . I want a someone between the ages 24-27 year old in their prime get dealt here that will be here for at least 3 or 4 seasons to be added to the core
That’s the best asset comparison I’ve seen yet this morning. And you’re right, NYR doesn’t have the organizational depth to make that move. This and the fact dubas must really like Bunting made it a trade the rangers couldn’t match up with.
The liga kid and AHL kid were second round picks and the ncaa kid was a fourth rounder. Over the last few years NYR have traded a bunch of seconds. Some to get Fox and Kane, others to get rid of Staal and Nemeth. If they don’t trade their first this year it might be a good idea to trade back for a second this year and next to help rebuild that depth.
nsvoyageurs
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How much is that ownership over Dubas/Hextall (who was an awful GM)? They want to keep selling tickets/be competitive over the betterment of the long term of the roster. They should've traded Malkin a few years ago; they haven't won a playoff series since 2018 after their back-to-back Cups (2016-2017).6. Vasili Ponomaryov, C, 21 (Chicago Wolves)
After becoming a likable player who many believed was a better pro prospect than his good but not great production in the QMJHL indicated, Ponomaryov has impressed in the AHL over the last three seasons to outperform prospects of greater prior pedigree and become a call-up option for the Canes.
I’ve watched him play a lot over the years and he’s a hard player to dislike. He’s always on the puck, he’s got great hands, he can penalty kill, he passes the puck well and he opens up to make himself available offensively. While he’s not the biggest, strongest, fastest, or most talented kid, he understands how to play from A to B. He’s also stronger than you might think at a cursory glance and uses his body positioning to come up with his fair share of pucks. And then he also has skill — enough to deceive, pick apart schemes with the puck and make plays off of all of the retrievals he wins. I’m a fan. He has some intriguing qualities, he’s versatile and he plays the same way regardless of how much he’s playing or who he’s playing with. I’m not sure if he’ll be a full-time NHLer as opposed to a tweener, because it is a little hard to decipher what his role will be, but he showed well in his first call-up and has always been a well-liked player wherever he has gone.
7. Ville Koivunen, RW/LW, 20 (Kärpät)
Koivunen’s a highly entertaining and gifted winger who has been one of the more productive young players in Liiga (especially considering his June birthday) over the last three seasons (though after he impressed in the first two games of the canceled world juniors in Edmonton, he disappointed me in Halifax).
He can be a delight to watch with the puck on his stick when he’s playing confidently. He’s a crafty problem-solver whose game tilts toward offense (he’s got work to do to become a more reliable player defensively, although he can hang). He can manufacture offense in a lot of ways off of the perimeter, whether that’s playing pucks into space with the perfect weight or baiting defenders into reaches so that he can cut past them. He can carve the offensive zone up as a dual-threat scorer and passer. I’ve also seen him look quite effective taking pucks off the cycle to the interior (though not consistently), even though he’s more dangerous in open ice. I’ve seen him twist and turn away from good defenders. He has also had a bit of a growth spurt (he was listed at 5-foot-11 and 161 pounds in his draft year and he’s 6 feet and 172 pounds). I still see potential top-nine upside with the right development plan and some patience, even if his odds of meeting it are low to medium.
9. Cruz Lucius, RW, 19 (University of Wisconsin)
After battling a wrist injury in his draft year, Lucius came on strong late in it with 12 points in his final 10 games at the program on a dominant “third” line with captain Rutger McGroarty. In the two years since, he has built on that with back-to-back seasons as the Badgers’ leading scorer (about a point per game) as a freshman and sophomore.
Lucius is a patient playmaker who slows the game down and uses delays, lightly weighted passes and the attention he pulls into himself to create through layers for his linemates. Like his older brother Chaz, his skating (which pitchforks) is the primary concern with his projection. But he plays within the pace of play so well, problem solves really effectively and has a sneaky quick and accurate release that I wrote in his draft year I believed was going to produce greater goal totals than we’d seen to date (which we’ve seen more of in college). He will ultimately be defined, though, by his ability to continue to wait for plays to develop and stay cerebral as the speed of the level around him ramps up. If he can, he’ll be a complementary playmaking winger. He has never lacked confidence and decisiveness in his game.
2024 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 13 Carolina Hurricanes
Even after making 10 picks in 2023, the Hurricanes' pool actually slides by one position this year.
Pittsburgh did not allow teams to speak with Guentzel's agent. I heard he is looking for $9M per AAV. A few days ago, Nick Kypreos said he heard Guentzel had softened on his contract demands. He wants a big contract. He turns 30 in October.
Ron Hextall re-signed Letang and Malkin in 2022. He also gave Rakell $30M. Dubas added Karlsson at $10M per. $40M. Graves. Acciari. Eller. Jarry. Smith. Dubas couldn't build around the big 4 in Toronto. This guy will do some job in Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh could have done a full reset by not putting the band back together two summers ago. They are stuck now.
They can't "rebuild" as long as Crosby is still around, and he doesn't want to go anywhere. Crosby wanted Malkin/Letang resigned, which was a mistake. Traded for Erik Karlsson, which made little if any sense. They are going to be awful next year and for a few years after that, and it was of their own making.
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LaffyTaffy13
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so everyone wants our top prospects and first round picks for b level players but are taking this for the guentzels and hanafins? Get out of here
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Me too, now. At "1st" (key word) I didn't think so. But now, I'm thinking that Drury must KNOW we all weren't thrilled with Blais trade although it prob was necessary due to cap. Anyway, I guess we'll see.
Anthony5967
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Drury isn't doubling down on Buchnevich. Lose that thought right now. It's going to be one of:
Vatrano
Zucker
Barabanov
Vatrano
Zucker
Barabanov
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Just because everyone has somehow managed to convince themselves Vatrano only scores on the PP...
He'd be third on the team this year among full time players in 5v5 goals/60
He's 99/350 in 5v5 goals/60 the last 3 years among forwards 1500+ mins (so 1st/2nd line tweener level).
His 5v5 "possession" stats have been good/fine every year until he got to Anaheim when they cratered. Anaheim's entire team is bad at that. Probably more situation than player. Did he suddenly sign in Anaheim and forget how to possess the puck but also score more? Doubt it.
His, and his lines, performance in a small sample of a couple of playoff series ago is entirely irrelevant with regards to how he will do going forward.
He's obviously not worth multiple firsts or first+top prospect but do we have to convince ourselves everytime a player we don't want is bad? I've seen these takes about Guentzel since last night too.
He'd be third on the team this year among full time players in 5v5 goals/60
He's 99/350 in 5v5 goals/60 the last 3 years among forwards 1500+ mins (so 1st/2nd line tweener level).
His 5v5 "possession" stats have been good/fine every year until he got to Anaheim when they cratered. Anaheim's entire team is bad at that. Probably more situation than player. Did he suddenly sign in Anaheim and forget how to possess the puck but also score more? Doubt it.
His, and his lines, performance in a small sample of a couple of playoff series ago is entirely irrelevant with regards to how he will do going forward.
He's obviously not worth multiple firsts or first+top prospect but do we have to convince ourselves everytime a player we don't want is bad? I've seen these takes about Guentzel since last night too.
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Honestly - Eberle, Buch or Zucker.
Asking price for Vatrano is a big no thank you. If you can’t get one if the above then you pivot and go for Chychrun
Vatrano doesn’t solve your problem and the cost is prohibitive. Eberle would be a much better fit.
Asking price for Vatrano is a big no thank you. If you can’t get one if the above then you pivot and go for Chychrun
Vatrano doesn’t solve your problem and the cost is prohibitive. Eberle would be a much better fit.
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I think Chychrun should be the priority over another forward. However, if they’re not going to put him with Fox, I’d rather not waste big assets on him and just find a cheap depth forward and dman and call it a day.
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NYR tax, nobody wants to look like they helped us or let us off easy because of bias
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It tells me our organizational depth kinda sucks after Perrault and Othmann.
We saw the Vatrano show here already and it's not worth a single first. Is he suddenly going to be way better playing with Mika and Kreider this time? Doubt it.
So we can't take his past performance here as an indicator, we can't take his whole year in Anaheim sucking at 5v5 as an indicator... what can we take?
If for no other reason there are too many red flags to give up a first. And we don't have any seconds left to give.
McRanger92
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All that Guentzel trade did for the Pens is hasten Crosby's departure. Their roster is devastated by a long time player, cup winner and fan favorite...and the GM trades him for his drinking buddy, Brett Howden and Libor Hajek lmao.
"Cruz Lucius" sounds like the name of a Miami gigolo
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