Patriots/NFL 2024 Regular Season: Part II - If the NFL season ended today, the Patriots would have the No. 1 pick in the draft

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They'd be better off dealing a 2nd to Minnesota for Darnold

Zero percent chance they trade Darnold. And definitely not for a 2nd. At minimum Vikings will franchise him and push a decision back for a year. McCarthy has a big setback during his recovery so can't even be sure he'll be totally healthy next year.
 

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In regard to Vegas I am at least mildly intrigued by how Brady approaches his ownership stake. Is he just in it for the money or does he view it as a chance to impact an organization. Does he want to try and turn the Raiders into a winner...
Hopefully, he advises Davis to make better management decisions. Way too many changes over his 13 years since taking over for Al. Moves off Rich B after making the PO to hire Josh which didn’t make the players happy then fires Josh in year 2 and hires AP full time at the behest of the players. But really, AP not ready for the HC role. Two wrongs do not make a right basically. So wasted these past 3 seasons.

Raiders simply don’t have enough talent to give up assets to trade up. If we are talking about matching the Car/Chi deal or MIA/SF deals. Zeiger’s 2 drafts were not amazing.
Parham, White, Mumford from his first draft. Wilson, Mayer, Young, Tucker, Bennett, AOC from his second draft. Wilson just not enough production for a first rounder. Mayer, some personal issues this season but with Bowers his touches will be limited unless they run the NE 2TE set back in the Gronk/Hernandez days. Young was cut after 1 year with the same DC. No one close to being a pro bowl player. Best of the bunch is Bennett the CB.

Hopefully Brady sees the roster and realizes they are more than an QB away.
 
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Out of curiosity...

What would your reaction be if the Krafts decided not to fire either Mayo or Wolff, but instead decided that they're both going to report to a new President of Football Operations? And their new President of Football Ops is someone with some name recognition and some gravitas - I'm thinking Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher, Tom Coughlin... someone like that?

I was buying in until the options you listed. I get the reasoning is that you bring in someone who'd only be around for a couple of years before retiring who can help Mayo and Wolff grow into their roles, but I'd feel better if it was viewed as a long-term football czar role who sets the strategic plan, and then Mayo and Wolff execute it. The biggest thing is that I see that role as someone who takes hiring decisions away from Krafty Bob and Jonathan.
 

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I was buying in until the options you listed. I get the reasoning is that you bring in someone who'd only be around for a couple of years before retiring who can help Mayo and Wolff grow into their roles, but I'd feel better if it was viewed as a long-term football czar role who sets the strategic plan, and then Mayo and Wolff execute it. The biggest thing is that I see that role as someone who takes hiring decisions away from Krafty Bob and Jonathan.
Those names were just examples. I'm not advocating that the Krafts should hire any of them specifically. But if that's the route they decide to go in, I think they'd need to bring in someone without a lot of ties to the organization who has a track record of success.

Also, I'm not trying to pick on you because I've seen it in several places, but I very much hope that at some point, Patriots fans would stop referring to the proudly Jewish owner of the Patriots as "Krafty". I get it that it's a play on his last name, but it's got some anti-semitic overtones that make me very uncomfortable.
 

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Those names were just examples. I'm not advocating that the Krafts should hire any of them specifically. But if that's the route they decide to go in, I think they'd need to bring in someone without a lot of ties to the organization who has a track record of success.

Also, I'm not trying to pick on you because I've seen it in several places, but I very much hope that at some point, Patriots fans would stop referring to the proudly Jewish owner of the Patriots as "Krafty". I get it that it's a play on his last name, but it's got some anti-semitic overtones that make me very uncomfortable.

That's completely fair. Obviously not my intent. Started using it after the massage scandal to make fun of him, but I can see how it could be misconstrued.
 
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Out of curiosity...

What would your reaction be if the Krafts decided not to fire either Mayo or Wolff, but instead decided that they're both going to report to a new President of Football Operations? And their new President of Football Ops is someone with some name recognition and some gravitas - I'm thinking Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher, Tom Coughlin... someone like that?

I'd be fine with that.
 

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Also, I'm not trying to pick on you because I've seen it in several places, but I very much hope that at some point, Patriots fans would stop referring to the proudly Jewish owner of the Patriots as "Krafty". I get it that it's a play on his last name, but it's got some anti-semitic overtones that make me very uncomfortable.
This seems a little dramatic and over the top. Can people at least call him cheap? Because he certainly has been (I know, it won't fit your definition of cheap) and that's also a stereotype for what you are talking about.
 

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Out of curiosity...

What would your reaction be if the Krafts decided not to fire either Mayo or Wolff, but instead decided that they're both going to report to a new President of Football Operations? And their new President of Football Ops is someone with some name recognition and some gravitas - I'm thinking Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher, Tom Coughlin... someone like that?
No. Mayo and Wolf need to leave the building.
…I very much hope that at some point, Patriots fans would stop referring to the proudly Jewish owner of the Patriots as "Krafty". I get it that it's a play on his last name, but it's got some anti-semitic overtones that make me very uncomfortable.
I’ve referred to him as “Krafty Bob“ numerous times and never once did I even think of that connection until I read your post. My reasoning for using that nickname has been purely sarcastic, because over the years, he has proven himself many times to be the antithesis of “crafty” when it comes to “football decisions.”

Out of respect for your wishes, @GatorMike, I will make every effort to not use that nickname for Bob Kraft in the future.
…Can people at least call him cheap? Because he certainly has been…
The numbers don’t lie - he HAS been cheap. The Patriots cut corners everywhere they can, and that’s a symptom of the corporate nature of the way the Patriots operate and not anything else. We live in an age of getting less for more in every single corner of life, and the New England Patriots are no different than everything else we consumers are being sold these days.
 
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Looks like Mayo plans on playing Drake Maye this weekend. Odds of the number 1 pick beginning to decrease.......
The calls for Mayo to be fired from the media and the fans are deafening. I don’t care what the “official” word out of Foxborough is - he has to be coaching for his job.

The only reason Bob Kraft can possibly have to not fire Jerod Mayo is trying to save face and not have to admit that it was a BLUNDER to hire Mayo in the first place. The media sees it. The fans see it. Bob runs the risk of further tarnishing his all-important legacy and causing damage to the Patriots that will take years to undo if he doesn’t blow this failed ‘business model’ up.
 

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The calls for Mayo to be fired from the media and the fans are deafening. I don’t care what the “official” word out of Foxborough is - he has to be coaching for his job.

The only reason Bob Kraft can possibly have to not fire Jerod Mayo is trying to save face and not have to admit that it was a BLUNDER to hire Mayo in the first place. The media sees it. The fans see it. Bob runs the risk of further tarnishing his all-important legacy and causing damage to the Patriots that will take years to undo if he doesn’t blow this failed ‘business model’ up.
I can understand the pressure he is facing, but it is 100% warranted. Regardless, winning a game against a team playing its backup players isn't something that is going to help him in the eyes of the fans or management. If anything it will likely piss a lot of people off. Ownership probably doesn't want to pay a player taken with the first pick when they can pay less for the 4th........I'm only kidding (not really)🤔
 
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Patriots should absolutely be sitting Maye on Sunday and guaranteeing the 1st overall pick. For anyone who wants to talk about the importance of winning for the players and the integrity of the game.

What sort of momentum is going to be built by winning one game against a team that will be resting starters and then taking 9 months off before the next game that counts. If this team was going to build momentum, and be hard to play against, they needed to win 4/5 games down the stretch. Instead, they played some of their worst games of the season (vs ARI, LAC).

Integrity? I guess people are forgetting about Belichick tanking the final game of the 2005-06 season vs Miami so the Patriots would play Jax in the first round of the playoffs.

The best thing for this team is to have the 1st overall pick, regardless of whom will be coaching the team going forward. Make it happen.
 

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I can understand the pressure he is facing, but it is 100% warranted. Regardless, winning a game against a team playing its backup players isn't something that is going to help him in the eyes of the fans or management. If anything it will likely piss a lot of people off. Ownership probably doesn't want to pay a player taken with the first pick when they can pay less for the 4th........I'm only kidding (not really)🤔
I’m going to need a shower after posting this, but I hope the Bills’ backups score 60 on the Patriots in a hideous loss.

I don’t give a f*ck about Bob’s dusty-ass checkbook. If he refuses to pay for quality staff and quality players in the face of all that has happened over the past few seasons, then Bob Kraft deserves every last ounce of shit that gets flung in his direction.

He is either shameless, incompetent or both.

I expected more from the man who rescued the Patriots from being moved to St. Louis.
 
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I can understand not buying in on Sanders but I think the buzz around Hunter is 100% deserved. Nobody does what he did in college. Just doesn't happen. Closest maybe Charles Woodson at Michigan and even then his WR role was extremely limited.
I think Hunter is legit. He’s been playing both ways full time all season. Logic would dictate that once he stops that and concentrates on one position, whether that’s WR or CB, he will improve at that position.

Also, his build right now is more of a “long distance runner” because he is playing so many downs. Scouting reports say he has broad shoulders and a long wingspan. That means he should be able to add weight and build a more explosive physique. I think he would mean more to the Patriots playing WR, even if some think he’s a better DB right now.

All that said, I think the best way to go for the Patriots is to secure the 1st pick, and hope that QB needy teams will be willing to move up to take one of Ward or Sanders. Theoretically, they could deal down to 3 and still take Hunter. More likely, you deal down with the Giants or Raiders, get their pick, a 2nd this year and a 2026 1st (maybe even a roster player like TE Mayer). Depending on what happens in free agency, they may be able to take the BPA, whether that’s WR, OT, or Edge/LB.
 

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I think we should take Scattabo in the 4th dudes a beast.

We definitely want to auction off 1 overall to a QB needy team. No WR that's good will sign here. Probably need to draft 2 early after whiffing on Polk.
 
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Tight end isn’t a real need at the moment but Tyler Warren of Penn State looks great. 6’6” 260lbs he catches and blocks. I think he’s a day one kid. Some team going to snag a great player at TE.
Really like Loveland also, but Warren more of a “do it all” TE. Either of them would give Maye an impact player to throw to.
 

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The sit Maye narrative makes no sense. He needs game reps and 1st or 4th pick this year doesn't matter to them. They aren't taking a QB and can get who their targeting at any top 3 spot.
 

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The sit Maye narrative makes no sense. He needs game reps and 1st or 4th pick this year doesn't matter to them. They aren't taking a QB and can get who their targeting at any top 3 spot.
Huge difference between 1st and 4th. You’re right, either way Pats still get “their guy” be it a WR or lineman. At 4 they get their player. At 1, they trade back to 3 or 4, still get their player, and also get a 1st in 2026 and a mix of 2nds/ 3rds. What does this team have to gain playing Maye (whom we all gel our collective breaths last week thinking he was dinged with a concussion) in a meaningless game vs Buffalo’s 2nd and 3rd stringers?
 

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The sit Maye narrative makes no sense. He needs game reps and 1st or 4th pick this year doesn't matter to them. They aren't taking a QB and can get who their targeting at any top 3 spot.

C'mon, man. C'mooooon. Put seven seconds worth of thought into why having the 1st pick versus the 4th would be so much better.

Six seconds might even do it.
 

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C'mon, man. C'mooooon. Put seven seconds worth of thought into why having the 1st pick versus the 4th would be so much better.

Six seconds might even do it.

It really wouldn't. Everyone knows they aren't going QB and there's no elite QB prospect teams are clamoring for. The return trading down would be well below a normal year
 

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