Speculation: 2024 Offseason Talk

[Troy McClure]

I have faith in Jimmy

He's already remade the Stars three times as GM. He's entering phase four.

 

[Zrhutch]

Yep, no reason to have anything but full faith in Nill to keep us a contender. Got a decade plus body of work to back that up.

 

[BfantZ]

Let’s see if Jim can threepeat as gm of the year .

 

[M88K]

Yep, no reason to have anything but full faith in Nill to keep us a contender. Got a decade plus body of work to back that up.

we've been a contender for the last 2yrs only, of his 11 as gm, you could maybe make a case for 15-16 as well. that's not a "decade plus body of work" to back that up.
3yrs in a row ,and counting, is his record of even making the PO consistently.
He's done great lately, the Suter buyout, buys him a ton of good will, even though he's the moron that signed it, but lets not exaggerate his performance.

 

[Zrhutch]

^like clockwork

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

we've been a contender for the last 2yrs only, of his 11 as gm, you could maybe make a case for 15-16 as well. that's not a "decade plus body of work" to back that up.
3yrs in a row ,and counting, is his record of even making the PO consistently.
He's done great lately, the Suter buyout, buys him a ton of good will, even though he's the moron that signed it, but lets not exaggerate his performance.

So, they weren't contenders when they went to the SC Finals in 2020?

 

[eartotheground]

we've been a contender for the last 2yrs only, of his 11 as gm, you could maybe make a case for 15-16 as well. that's not a "decade plus body of work" to back that up.
3yrs in a row ,and counting, is his record of even making the PO consistently.
He's done great lately, the Suter buyout, buys him a ton of good will, even though he's the moron that signed it, but lets not exaggerate his performance.

like, let's not exaggerate that the stars are 3rd in playoff wins in the last decade? sure.

 

[M88K]

So, they weren't contenders when they went to the SC Finals in 2020?

No, just like Montreal wasn't in 21.
Getting hot at the right time, and going on a decent run, in unique circumstances at that, doesn't retroactively make the team a contender.
Hell the season pause probably saved their season. They were tanking hard before that pause.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Well, they are only 4th if you go by win %, but that is still pretty good. We would probably be better if this was reduced to 5 years.

No, just like Montreal wasn't in 21.
Getting hot at the right time, and going on a decent run, in unique circumstances at that, doesn't retroactively make the team a contender.
Hell the season pause probably saved their season. They were tanking hard before that pause.

You are pretty full of yourself. Personally, results are results and the Stars, as noted above are 3rd or 4th in playoff success. People who know more about this than most of us think much differently than you. To quote last nights debate.....you are just a complainer.

 

[M88K]

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like, let's not exaggerate that the stars are 3rd in playoff wins in the last decade? sure.

Yes, making the PO is good. it doesn't make one a contender. Otherwise Nashville, Minnesota and Seattle were contenders too. and there is no world where anyone looks at those teams and says "contender" the first 2 have been the text book definition of mediocre. Good enough in the regular season to make the PO, but not good enough to go anywhere.

 

[oconnor9sean]

we've been a contender for the last 2yrs only, of his 11 as gm, you could maybe make a case for 15-16 as well. that's not a "decade plus body of work" to back that up.
3yrs in a row ,and counting, is his record of even making the PO consistently.
He's done great lately, the Suter buyout, buys him a ton of good will, even though he's the moron that signed it, but lets not exaggerate his performance.

You must have a bat-signal for any time the word Nill appears on the internet so you can be the sole contrarian with a stinky take.

 

[M88K]

Well, they are only 4th if you go by win %, but that is still pretty good. We would probably be better if this was reduced to 5 years.


You are pretty full of yourself. Personally, results are results and the Stars, as noted above are 3rd or 4th in playoff success. People who know more about this than most of us think much differently than you. To quote last nights debate.....you are just a complainer.

sure, whatever.
Dude built teams that missed the PO as much as he built teams that made them in his first 8yrs.
But that's a "decade of building a contender". right.
Every contender misses the PO every other year like clockwork.
The last few have really done some great revisionist history for Nill.

You must have a bat-signal for any time the word Nill appears on the internet so you can be the sole contrarian with a stinky take.

No, just when people say stupid shit like he's got a decade plus of building a contender, when it's literally only been the last few years. and that "decade plus body of work" includes the lowest finish for the team since before the cap was a thing.
But ya know true contenders end up with their own picks being lotto picks. Because contenders body of work includes missing the PO buy a near franchise worse performance too.

 

[eartotheground]

Yes, making the PO is good. it doesn't make one a contender. Otherwise Nashville, Minnesota and Seattle were contenders too. and there is no world where anyone looks at those teams and says "contender" the first 2 have been the text book definition of mediocre. Good enough in the regular season to make the PO, but not good enough to go anywhere.

couple things. do you recall what a disaster this org was when he took over? top to bottom? he didn't exactly start out with a silver spoon.

and, 'contender' is a pretty subjective measurement. but how many teams really enter the year as a 'contender' on a consistent basis? it ain't many, man.

idk how you can look at where nill has brought this team and not be freaking thrilled with it. could it be better? always, unless you're winning the cup every year, but good lord, get a grip on reality. would you rather be san jose right now?

 

[starsfan86]

Y’all quit your bickering

 

[Satan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806734368599375980

thanks @Dallasman

 

[Zrhutch]

sure, whatever.
Dude built teams that missed the PO as much as he built teams that made them in his first 8yrs.
But that's a "decade of building a contender". right.
Every contender misses the PO every other year like clockwork.
The last few have really done some great revisionist history for Nill.


No, just when people say stupid shit like he's got a decade plus of building a contender, when it's literally only been the last few years. and that "decade plus body of work" includes the lowest finish for the team since before the cap was a thing.
But ya know true contenders end up with their own picks being lotto picks. Because contenders body of work includes missing the PO buy a near franchise worse performance too.

So, gotta clear this up, we haven’t been a contender for 10 straight plus years. That should be obvious. What Nill has done from when he took over is address every need as it’s come to get into contention, or take steps towards that. He’s been patient (to a fault at times), but also strikes when needed. Seguin in his first month on the job, radulov/bishop when it was clear the old guard needed help, drafting damn near perfectly to turn over the keys to a new roster… it’s all been there. You can point to deals where there may have been a smidge too much money or an extra year and a couple bad drafts, but that’s really it.

If you’re this dug in on it to where you’re calling anything else stupid, I’d encourage you to tell us what you would’ve done in place of the questionable moves you think Nill’s made. That would make for some great reading.

 

[M88K]

couple things. do you recall what a disaster this org was when he took over? top to bottom? he didn't exactly start out with a silver spoon.

and, 'contender' is a pretty subjective measurement. but how many teams really enter the year as a 'contender' on a consistent basis? it ain't many, man.

idk how you can look at where nill has brought this team and not be freaking thrilled with it. could it be better? always, unless you're winning the cup every year, but good lord, get a grip on reality. would you rather be san jose right now?

Yeah he inherited a team fresh out of bankruptcy that had a decent prospect pool all things considered.
I literally never disputed the last few years. Just the claims that he had a decade plus body of work that would lead credence to us continuing to be a "contender" because his body of work is pretty spotty.
The last time he was faced with a similar situation on the blue line, we had our worst season since the mid 90's.
His body of work is all over the place. I would say since 21 (with the exception of the Ryan Suter debacle, because everyone with a brain knew he would suck, and the Khudobin shit) He's been largely fine. And sure that should buy him some faith as a fan, but to just write off all his failures from the preceding seasons is crazy.
You can find a laundry list of clear missteps that nobody should have complete faith in him, especially since he's somehow got to fill out half the d-core and has been unwilling to open space to actually do so efficiently.

 

[M88K]

Y’all quit your bickering

But we're bored

 

[Troy McClure]

Yeah he inherited a team fresh out of bankruptcy that had a decent prospect pool all things considered.

The prospect pool was not good. The Stars spent their bankruptcy years flubbing decent draft picks, which is why Nill had to use trades and free agency to add actual offensive talent to the roster. Other than Klingberg, the only guy in this system with any offensive ability was Reilly Smith who became a solid second line offensive contributor over the years.

This is all way too hung up on the word contender where your criteria for what the word means shifts to suit your needs.

In his third season on the job, the Stars had the best record in the western conference and advanced to the second round, but I'm sure you'll say that team wasn't a contender because they didn't advance farther. Then a few years later they do make it to the Cup Final, but that can't count either.

 

[ElGuapo]

No, just like Montreal wasn't in 21.
Getting hot at the right time, and going on a decent run, in unique circumstances at that, doesn't retroactively make the team a contender.
Hell the season pause probably saved their season. They were tanking hard before that pause.

2/3 of the NHL is a contender every season.

Yes, making the PO is good. it doesn't make one a contender. Otherwise Nashville, Minnesota and Seattle were contenders too. and there is no world where anyone looks at those teams and says "contender" the first 2 have been the text book definition of mediocre. Good enough in the regular season to make the PO, but not good enough to go anywhere.

It absolutely makes you a contender in the NHL when everything is so tight. Get hot at the right time and you might win it. Like the "non-contender" Stars almost did.

 

[M88K]

The prospect pool was not good. The Stars spent their bankruptcy years flubbing decent draft picks, which is why Nill had to use trades and free agency to add actual offensive talent to the roster. Other than Klingberg, the only guy in this system with any offensive ability was Reilly Smith who became a solid second line offensive contributor over the years.

This is all way too hung up on the word contender. In his third season on the job, the Stars had the best record in the western conference and advanced to the second round, but I'm sure you'll say that team wasn't a contender.

The prospect pool he inherited included
Smith
Lindell
Klingberg
Faksa
Shore
Oleksiak
Ritchie
Campbell
Jokipakka
Nemeth
Chiasson

A lot of them didn't amount to much. But it's disingenuous to claim it was a trash heap too especially considering circumstance
Hell there was 3 top 4 (and for a time 2 top pairing) defenders in that group.
Newy had 4yrs at the helm, 3 of which were bankruptcy marred the last year was a lockout.
But this is starting to sound like I'm defending Newy and He did a shit job too.

 

[SolidusAKA]

Sign Harley 4m x 3
Sign Steel 1.1m x 2
Sign Nils 1m x 1
Sign Desmith 1.5m x 1
Sign Desharnais
Sign Sprong 3.75m x 4 (this might be bad)
Sign Roy 5.85m x 5
Sign Noesen 1.4m x 2
Trade Faksa and 2026 2nd for any team's late pick

Yup, just sign 8 guys Nill! I know you can do it!

Edit: changed the lines

 

[M88K]

2/3 of the NHL is a contender every season.


It absolutely makes you a contender in the NHL when everything is so tight. Get hot at the right time and you might win it. Like the "non-contender" Stars almost did.

I disagree.
I don't think anyone would apply that same logic to Montreal in 21. It was an aberration both in terms of the division/conference makeup and the circumstances surrounding the season. Same with 2020.
If the year played out normally without the covid pause, I'd put money on the Stars falling out of the POs entirely in 2020. They were trending that way hard.
Hell that season made Denis Gurianov not look like, the complete mistake he was. That's how fluky that season was.
2/3rds of the NHL aren't contenders, to go a run sometimes all it takes is luck.
Like getting to play LA, Minnesota or Nashville instead of Vegas or Colorado. One series cost you, even if you win, the other is a formality.
Sure weird things could happen. But if you were to take the same 16 teams that made the PO, and drew random teams out of a hat to play against Nashville/Washington/LA/NYI
how many do you think they'd realistically have a chance to win? Doesn't mean they can't of course, but winning it doesn't suddenly make the team better than they are.

 

[Troy McClure]

The prospect pool he inherited included
Smith
Lindell
Klingberg
Faksa
Shore
Oleksiak
Ritchie
Campbell
Jokipakka
Nemeth
Chiasson

A lot of them didn't amount to much. But it's disingenuous to claim it was a trash heap too especially considering circumstance
Hell there was 3 top 4 (and for a time 2 top pairing) defenders in that group.
Newy had 4yrs at the helm, 3 of which were bankruptcy marred the last year was a lockout.
But this is starting to sound like I'm defending Newy and He did a shit job too.

That's two top pair d-men at their peak, one second pair d-men, one second line winger, a bunch of 3rd/4th liners, a couple of 3rd pair d-men, and no goalies.

Yeah, that's a pile of trash. It looks like a list from a pre-Vegas expansion draft.

Nieuwendyk's tenure was absolutely terrible. You spend a few years in bankruptcy at the cap floor, and then you go to the draft every year and get nothing. That's bad.

 

[joshik]

Im really scared about our defense It looks like it wont be a good aging contract whoever we sign from Tanev/Pesce/Roy. We dont really have a choice though we need 4 d minimum. 5/6 is probably fine to just fill with Nils/Lian/Petrovic etc

The prospect pool he inherited included
Smith
Lindell
Klingberg
Faksa
Shore
Oleksiak
Ritchie
Campbell
Jokipakka
Nemeth
Chiasson

A lot of them didn't amount to much. But it's disingenuous to claim it was a trash heap too especially considering circumstance
Hell there was 3 top 4 (and for a time 2 top pairing) defenders in that group.
Newy had 4yrs at the helm, 3 of which were bankruptcy marred the last year was a lockout.
But this is starting to sound like I'm defending Newy and He did a shit job too.

This brings back memories... I remember when i really loved Shore and wish he would became first liner with Benn/Seggy. These are all legends to me. In that time all of them seemed like great prospects to me.