HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[KevSkillz4]

HockeyProspect.com are probably the closest rankings to how I feel about top 10 (not how they will actually go)

Top 10

1: Celebrini
2: Lindstrom
3: Buium
4: Demidov
5: Silayev
6: Sennecke
7: Iginla
8: Dickinson
9: Perekh
10: Levshunov

If Silayev is the pick, I quit my job, I quit my girlfriend, I quit everything and I will become no-binary trans women.

 

[ReHabs]

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

For us, it has to be Catton. Pretty easy.

 

[Doublechin]

Hate to engage in such off topicism

But

Danaults production is irrelevant to how elite he was in our finals run, no one was as important as him.

He went through McDavid, Matthews and Scheifele and literally managed to practically shut em down as efficiently as possible.

Even with 0 points, he would have been the best and most important player we had during the finals run

 

[ReHabs]

Yeah everything about hockey is points. Teams don't win either, just star players. Right.

"He couldn't shut down the bolts either"

LOL wow.

“We should draft players who get even better in the playoffs — like Danault”

Danault got worse in the playoffs. He isn’t the archetype of a top5 draft pick, he isn’t a reliable two-way player.

“Ugh, okay, yeah everything is all about points huh? Is that it? LOL wow.”

Fantastic chat

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

If Silayev is the pick, I quit my job, I quit my girlfriend, I quit everything and I will become no-binary trans women.

That feels a touch extreme.

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

Catton. Silayev is fine, but there is a lot of projection involved to justify selecting him.

 

[FrankMTL]

If Silayev is the pick, I quit my job, I quit my girlfriend, I quit everything and I will become no-binary trans women.

KevSkillz4 profile picture after the Silayev pick.

 

[Mrb1p]

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

Catton pretty easily.

Hate to engage in such off topicism

But

Danaults production is irrelevant to how elite he was in our finals run, no one was as important as him.

He went through McDavid, Matthews and Scheifele and literally managed to practically shut em down as efficiently as possible.

Even with 0 points, he would have been the best and most important player we had during the finals run

Danault got as far as a "Two-way" type as Carey Price took him. He essentially drifted back in nowhere land without him and can't beat out 40 YO Kopitar for the shutdown job.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

Catton without a second thought

 

[BergevinBurner]

If Anaheim is leaning defense then they'd be best off creating a bidding war between us and Columbus for the 3rd pick.

They already knew we're heavily leaning forward and I figured so was Columbus, and now with the Laine news I think it's even more likely that they are.

If I was Anaheim I would be calling Montreal to see their offer for 3rd, then instantly call Columbus and tell them they have to top Montreal's offer or else their guy could be gone at 4.

 

[SOLR]

“We should draft players who get even better in the playoffs — like Danault”

Danault got worse in the playoffs. He isn’t the archetype of a top5 draft pick, he isn’t a reliable two-way player.

“Ugh, okay, yeah everything is all about points huh? Is that it? LOL wow.”

Fantastic chat

I said none of these things. You are arguing with yourself again.

 

[Lshap]

Please stop debating veteran players in the Draft thread. For the sake of my back, don't make me cart all the Danault posts into another thread.

 

[Slew Foots]

Why so condescending?

Apologies. I'm extremely old. Replace "kids" and "children" by "frens"

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[The Great Weal]

Only thing I wish Silayev would do more is to be physical. The guy would be a massive pain in the ass to play against. That being said he's such a smart player that the Myers/Zadorov talk makes me wonder if the players criticizing him know anything about his game.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I do not see it... Connelly has showed more.

Hes super talented, very individualistic to his own detriment, doesn't make people around him better, and is a head case and has off ice/character issues. He should be on the no trade list 100%

 

[Trabdy2]

Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?

Catton for me.

 

[Mrb1p]

Only thing I wish Silayev would do more is to be physical. The guy would be a massive pain in the ass to play against. That being said he's such a smart player that the Myers/Zadorov talk makes me wonder if the players criticizing him know anything about his game.

Myers is actually a pretty good D up until he makes the stupidest blunder ever created in the universe aside from the Matheson universe. Zadorov is also pretty smart, I'd say it's mostly his skating that holds him back.

Silayev has the possibility of being Myers without the stupid shit or Z without the skating issues and without the toughness.

 

[SOLR]

I never said some players don't elevate their games in the POs. I made the point these players don't answer to an archetype.

It's a lot more psychological than it is about centimeters.

Oh yep

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah everything about hockey is points. Teams don't win either, just star players. Right.

"He couldn't shut down the bolts either"

LOL wow.

Actually, The Habs did contain the Lightning to a fair amount. Their PP was an impressive 37.7% before they faced the Habs. Tampa's PP was 13.3% against the Habs in the finals and Danault was a big factor in this.

Tampa beat us with Coleman, Johnson, Goodrow, Palat, Point, McDonagh, Rutta, Cirelli, Cernak. Kucherov was the only one of their stars that put up the points you would expect.

Tampa being over the cap was a factor. Their depth behind their stars was a strong area.

 

[le_sean]

Nah, our coach was obsessively using Danault in a defense first role. Not he same usage as Barkov. Barkov's D is a different kind of strength.

* Danault's corsi was 51% and he had 64% of D zone starts.
* Barkov's corsi is 62% and he has 44% of D zone starts.

You need to consider usage, type of player, and what the coach wants them to do. Danault filled his role perfectly. Asking him to step up offensively is a reach and bad coaching. He did have a key assist to Lehkonen's clinching goal against the Knights

He played 19 mins a game and didn’t score a goal until the Finals. I get he played in a defensive role, but that’s just poor.

Take Sami Pahlsson as an example for the Ducks. Same minutes, same role. Played with Travis Moen and Rob Niedermayer, not exactly top offensive talents. He still managed 12 points in the Cup run.

Back to the draft, let’s hope we don’t pick a Phil Danault at 5th overall

 

[ReHabs]

I would take Catton too, and think he's a more pressing need, but Silayev's upside is hard to turn down.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Trevor Timmins in CBJ won’t allow them to draft a skilled forward. He’ll bang on the table and argue that there’s a better American HS student with a thick frame out there.

Sennecke it is then but i think they should consider Catton for the second C spot, i see Jonhson as an W

 

[Deebs]

Please stop debating veteran players in the Draft thread. For the sake of my back, don't make me cart all the Danault posts into another thread.

Actually, The Habs did contain the Lightning to a fair amount. Their PP was an impressive 37.7% before they faced the Habs. Tampa's PP was 13.3% against the Habs. Danault was a big factor in this.

Tampa beat us with Coleman, Johnson, Goodrow, Palat, Point, McDonagh, Rutta, Cirelli, Cernak. Kucherov was the only one of their stars that put up the points you would expect.

Tampa being over the cap was a factor. Their depth behind their stars was a strong area.

Hey Halifax....why isn't it sinking in? Take this stuff somewhere else for the benefit of everyone interested in draft info and/or talk

 

[The Great Weal]

Myers is actually a pretty good D up until he makes the stupidest blunder ever created in the universe aside

Which he does like 3-4 times a period. Not sure how you can be a pretty good D when you consistently make awful mistakes.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He played 19 mins a game and didn’t score a goal until the Finals. I get he played in a defensive role, but that’s just poor.

Take Sami Pahlsson as an example for the Ducks. Same minutes, same role. Played with Travis Moen and Rob Niedermayer, not exactly top offensive talents. He still managed 12 points in the Cup run.

It was one of the most obsessive D utilization you will see from a forward. We are being too hard on Danault. He's very good at what he does.

Carbonneau (6 pts with 3 goals in 20 games... 93 finals)
vs
Danault (4 pts with 1 goal in 22 games.. 21 finals)

Hey Halifax....why isn't it sinking in? Take this stuff somewhere else for the benefit of everyone interested in draft info and/or talk

Every consider I didn't see the warning? You should not try to play Mod btw. There is a fair amount of off topic conversations that happens in every thread. Relax and let the mods do their job. My bad for falling into the distraction.

Also, why don't you reply to all the ones who have talked about non draft things? Seems to me like you are focusing on one poster and you could have sent a private message. I didn't even start this derail.