2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

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Yep, I've been calling it for a while now. That team lost a LOT of depth and there are a lot of miles on their core guys, who are having to play more minutes due to the lack of depth.

It's also gonna be interesting following the Leafs a year from now when Nylander is playing elsewhere.

A lot of potential for these "late 1sts" (as described by the majority of HF) we acquired to be in the teens or better.
I believe a lot of the trades KD makes is pretty forward thinking in that way predicting instability, same could be said for Toronto’s situation next year as they face a lot of roster turnover and uncertainty even with the Matthews contract signed
 
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I'll have to see it to believe it with Tampa as there's still so much talent there, but it sure would be nice for that pick to land in the 11-15 range.

Also, not 2024 but don't know of a better place to post it, so here's Pronman's ridiculously early 2025 list:


Main board is very upset about Misa being 6th. Would be pretty stunning for a kid who will likely have three straight PPG seasons entering the draft to go that low but I've never seen him play so can't say whether Pronman is off base or whatever. Obviously the list will look completely different in a year, let alone at the draft, but interesting to see which NA names are floating out there nonetheless
 
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Not to be flippant but everybody scores a lot in juniors. Plenty of Point archetypes and DeBrincat archetypes go nowhere and it’s easy to say “team are dumb” when they hit. Drafting is hard.

Anyways Mack is likely a pipe dream as San Jose seems determined to out tank everybody. Eiserman on Bedard’s wing sounds pretty neat to me.
As we saw last year, there's a draft lottery ya know. Hawks finished 3rd but still got Bedard

They're basically where the hawks were at in 2018.
Also remember the Penguins had 2 separate windows.

After they won in 2009 they did a lot of languishing and 1st round exits similar to Toronto until the cap caught up to Crosby and Malkin's deals.

It seems like windows are shorter than you'd think.
 

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Tracking back to the recent 2024 NHL Draft Early Risers youtibe put out by NHL Draft Pros...they have ttheir op 5 early risers in this order:

1.TIJ IGINLA
(son of Jarone Iginla) C Kelowna WHL
17GP 13g 7a ....6'0 181
Consolidated Ranking #29
EP ranking #14
Well rounded player ...plays an NHL style like his Dad..Some grit too..
Jarone was 6'1 210...so Tij probably projects to add weight and strength and may yet grow a bit to get to the suze dad was when he played.

2.TARIK PARASCAK RW Prince George WHL 5'11 174 17GP 30 points desire only playing on their 2nd line...offensive tools...hands...
Consilidated Ranking #32
However ,I have read reports his skating may becan issue.

3.MATVEI GRIDIN RW Muskegon USHL
6'1 185
14GP 11g 8a
Big kid..Big shot...Soft hands
Rankings by othervorgschave him as a 2nd rounder in 33-47 range but may rise as season progress...

4.NIKITA ARTAMANOV RW
Torpedo KHL...5'11 187
13 points 25GP(averages 13cminutes a game)...Will turn 18 later this month..
Consolidated Ranking #30 but EP ranks him#19..

I was very impressed in the video clips that
NHL Draft Pros showed of him..Checksvlitscof boxes for skill,hockey sense and hard work..
Woukdckivecto getting with our pick fromTB in round one.
Has an extra gear...you think hevis already rushing at top speed but he tgen can just burst inaccleration even mote..Akso great edges for cuttingv/shining/gettibgcaway frin checks.
Very very impressed with this guy...may rise by fival rankibg.


5.Lukas Fischer (Son of Jiri Fischer the former Redwings NHLer) ...6'4 181
Will not turn 18 till Sept 9/24...so one of the
youngest prosoects in this draft
LD Sarnia OHL
He has a good motor and isa good Skater and already good defensively....10 pts in19GP +5
I
f hiis offensive game improves by season end he too could rise bigtime.

BUT note he is a LHD ...not our need at RD ..still an intriguing prospect with 2 way potential and as his big big frame could become a dominant force.
 

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They're basically where the hawks were at in 2018.
I think it's really interesting that Stamkos wanted to extend and Brisbois said they have to wait to see how this season goes. They've already essentially earmarked all the cap increase to Hagel's raise, and there isn't any more "supporting cast" players to cannabilize to give raises to the "core". They are committed to their current core, and unless they let SS walk they need to run 5 forwards and 3 Dmen essentially making the league minimum. With their top end talent - they always have a puncher's chance - but depending on health of the top guys it could trend down quickly.

I also couldn't believe how much Hedman's game had fallen off this year as well.
 
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I wouldn’t mind offering Stamkos a 2-3 year deal this off-season personally.

Let this be the last tank year. One more top 5 pick and we should start moving forward with being competitive. I don’t want us trading 1st round picks or anything but we shouldn’t be shy about short term signings and trying to make the playoffs
 

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I wouldn’t mind offering Stamkos a 2-3 year deal this off-season personally.

Let this be the last tank year. One more top 5 pick and we should start moving forward with being competitive. I don’t want us trading 1st round picks or anything but we shouldn’t be shy about short term signings and trying to make the playoffs

I really don't think it's wise to sign any free agents that aren't targets to be flipped until the team's needle is firmly in the "Compete" phase of the NHL Lifecycle.

The Hawks at this point is still somewhere between "Tank" and "Rebuild". The team is working hard but just simply isn't going to finish outside of the bottom 10 in the standings. When Nazar, Moore, etc all come into the NHL full-time, we might be looking to make a wise FA acquisition.

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I really don't think it's wise to sign any free agents that aren't targets to be flipped until the team's needle is firmly in the "Compete" phase of the NHL Lifecycle.

The Hawks at this point is still somewhere between "Tank" and "Rebuild". The team is working hard but just simply isn't going to finish outside of the bottom 10 in the standings. When Nazar, Moore, etc all come into the NHL full-time, we might be looking to make a wise FA acquisition.

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If LuRich has these guys skating well and working hard, I'd rather not languish as a bottom 10 team for the next 3 years. Bedard, another top 5 pick, and our current prospect pool seems like a good base going forward. Aside from Jones we have total cap flexibility.

Nylander to a 7 year UFA deal? No thank you. Overpay Stamkos on a short term deal, for sure. Get these kids used to winning instead of being Edmonton or Buffalo
 
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I really don't think it's wise to sign any free agents that aren't targets to be flipped until the team's needle is firmly in the "Compete" phase of the NHL Lifecycle.

The Hawks at this point is still somewhere between "Tank" and "Rebuild". The team is working hard but just simply isn't going to finish outside of the bottom 10 in the standings. When Nazar, Moore, etc all come into the NHL full-time, we might be looking to make a wise FA acquisition.

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this year the players that could move are: Mzarek, Tinnordi, Foligno, Perry. Dickson, Foligno taylor R, Next year. Donato, Hall, AA, I think as long as they stay 2-3 year deals on players im fine with adding players that move us slighly forward. Stamkos 3 year 20 mil might be to good for him to pass up. the under 30 guys that could make sense. pesce. Debrusk, Roslovic beauliver but the first 2 are probably looking at 5-6 year deals. min.
 

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this year the players that could move are: Mzarek, Tinnordi, Foligno, Perry. Dickson, Foligno taylor R, Next year. Donato, Hall, AA, I think as long as they stay 2-3 year deals on players im fine with adding players that move us slighly forward. Stamkos 3 year 20 mil might be to good for him to pass up. the under 30 guys that could make sense. pesce. Debrusk, Roslovic beauliver but the first 2 are probably looking at 5-6 year deals. min.
the bigger thing is you do not want to do long term deals until you are ready to compete for playoffs. feels like Columbus started to early Are Giordano and Serverson going to be in there prime when this team competes in 2-3 years. those contracts have 6 more years + on them. look at the COLU CAP. have $4mil in cap space and have nothing really coming off the books, maybe Roslovic how are they going to improve.
 

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Nylander to a 7 year UFA deal? No thank you. Overpay Stamkos on a short term deal, for sure. Get these kids used to winning instead of being Edmonton or Buffalo
Nylander's 7 year UFA contract will be 28-35YO, and giving Stamkos a 2 year contract would take him until he's 36. Nylander's looking amazing right now, and I feel like Stamkos gets most of his production on the TB powerplay gravy training off of Kuch & Point. I've always liked Stamkos - but my off the cuff impression is that he hasn't been the guy who has carried the freight in TB.

I honestly would feel more comfortable that Nylander is earning most of a crazy UFA contract than Stamkos being a positive difference, even in the short term.

EDIT: Just feel like that over the last couple years (especially this year) that Nylander has made the leap and is a true difference maker. He's the one guy who has showed up for the Leafs in the P/O's every year.
 

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Nylander's 7 year UFA contract will be 28-35YO, and giving Stamkos a 2 year contract would take him until he's 36. Nylander's looking amazing right now, and I feel like Stamkos gets most of his production on the TB powerplay gravy training off of Kuch & Point. I've always liked Stamkos - but my off the cuff impression is that he hasn't been the guy who has carried the freight in TB.

I honestly would feel more comfortable that Nylander is earning most of a crazy UFA contract than Stamkos being a positive difference, even in the short term.

EDIT: Just feel like that over the last couple years (especially this year) that Nylander has made the leap and is a true difference maker. He's the one guy who has showed up for the Leafs in the P/O's every year.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Stamkos is probably a PPG player on this Hawks team the next couple of seasons. 2 x $8-$9m deal doesn't hurt anyone. Giving Nylander 7 years $10.5m in his early 30's when we're supposed to be contending and cap is crucial sounds much riskier IMHO.
 
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Tampa shut out for a 2nd straight game, this time to the Blues. 0-5 loss for them tonight.

But someone please tell me how Vasi returning from back surgery fixes that team and propels them back into the playoff picture.
 

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Tampa shut out for a 2nd straight game, this time to the Blues. 0-5 loss for them tonight.

But someone please tell me how Vasi returning from back surgery fixes that team and propels them back into the playoff picture.

Honestly Hawks might be better off that they fall to #10 this year and they keep their pick and they get their 2025 pick. That team has alot of miles on their body. Hedman in particular is seriously taking the Seabrook type decline. I knew his body would not age gracefully but he has not looked the same at all defensively. The offense is still there but he's not the shut down monster he once was.

BUT, the greedy, prospect loving side of me wants them to fall to #11 and the Hawks get their pick and get 2 picks again this upcoming draft.
 

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Honestly Hawks might be better off that they fall to #10 this year and they keep their pick and they get their 2025 pick. That team has alot of miles on their body. Hedman in particular is seriously taking the Seabrook type decline. I knew his body would not age gracefully but he has not looked the same at all defensively. The offense is still there but he's not the shut down monster he once was.

BUT, the greedy, prospect loving side of me wants them to fall to #11 and the Hawks get their pick and get 2 picks again this upcoming draft.
I still don't know if it'd be a 2025 pick or a 2026 pick. But I agree, long term, it's probably best if it got pushed back a bit.

The waiting would suck though, so I'd be pretty content with 11th overall.
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Stamkos is probably a PPG player on this Hawks team the next couple of seasons. 2 x $8-$9m deal doesn't hurt anyone. Giving Nylander 7 years $10.5m in his early 30's when we're supposed to be contending and cap is crucial sounds much riskier IMHO.
Agree that Stamkos is a much less risky course of action on that term. My point is that Nylander is likely a difference maker for much of that contract, and IMO Stamkos is not. Nylander could drive a guy who lets the young prospects be able to transition to the NHL while having someone really driving play on the line. From what I've seen of the Lightning - Stamkos is a slightly upgraded Hall.

The risk depends on how quickly you think the Hawks will need to start paying the guys in the pipeline besides Berard.
 

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I still don't know if it'd be a 2025 pick or a 2026 pick. But I agree, long term, it's probably best if it got pushed back a bit.

The waiting would suck though, so I'd be pretty content with 11th overall.

Or we have to wait until 2026 and Tampa’s pick wins the lotto and Gavin McKenna gets drafted.
 

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I doubt stamkos takes 2 years at this point of his career, it’s probably going to be his last big contract and why risk his play falling off a cliff in year 2

Nylander is a physical beast right now and could easily be our Hossa. Will probably be better than any forward in our pool not named Bedard. He’s gonna want 10+ mil easily though, into his mid 30s. Hard call, but I’d strongly consider it
 
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I doubt stamkos takes 2 years at this point of his career, it’s probably going to be his last big contract and why risk his play falling off a cliff in year 2

Nylander is a physical beast right now and could easily be our Hossa. Will probably be better than any forward in our pool not named Bedard. He’s gonna want 10+ mil easily though, into his mid 30s. Hard call, but I’d strongly consider it
who is going to offer 4-5 year deal for stamkos? they might but at $6 mil per. better off taking $8 for 2 years from hawks unless its in tampa.
 

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Hard to balance when to win. I personally love Nylander as a player but I also don't know about paying a 28 year old that much money when he doesn't fit your window.
 

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Hard to balance when to win. I personally love Nylander as a player but I also don't know about paying a 28 year old that much money when he doesn't fit your window.
TLEH - what do you see as the Hawks window if it's not sometime in the next 7 years? I think that with Nylander's style of play he be a legit difference make for the vast majority of that period of time.

Not saying that this is a "slam dunk" type of deal - because there is definitely risk for that term, but from the Leaf's game I've seen this year WN is absolutely in beast mode, and while the Leaf's have come up short in the P/O's, he's consistently been their best player and not the reason for the early exits.
 

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TLEH - what do you see as the Hawks window if it's not sometime in the next 7 years? I think that with Nylander's style of play he be a legit difference make for the vast majority of that period of time.

Not saying that this is a "slam dunk" type of deal - because there is definitely risk for that term, but from the Leaf's game I've seen this year WN is absolutely in beast mode, and while the Leaf's have come up short in the P/O's, he's consistently been their best player and not the reason for the early exits.
I 100% agree that Willy has been dynamite for a while now. 1A 1B with Matthews.

I just mean that at the end of the day Bedard and Korchinski, Nazar, Moore, Rinzel, Kaiser, EDM, Allan, Dach, Misiak, Greene, Reichel, Hayes...2024 1st Rounders..Vlasic

I mean who knows of these guys who will make it but at the end of the day almost none of them are over 22. By then you're paying WN 11M at 29/30 before you're really ready to compete. I'm just now sure its worth it.

I would assume their window to win opens up to start winning in 2025-2026.
 
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