GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

[norrisnick]

There's supposed to be a new Bob McKenzie list any minute now.

Thought they moved it to tmw?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Thought they moved it to tmw?

Oh, did they? I guess I didn't hear about that.

 

[norrisnick]

Oh, did they? I guess I didn't hear about that.

Yeah Bob msg'd. Likely don't want to pull away from game 7 coverage.

 

[lilidk]

Thought they moved it to tmw?

About 1500 minutes from now

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Personally I think it is crazy to take Hage over Eiserman. I think Eiserman's faults are being beaten to death and in some areas quite exaggerated.

Watch their footage side by side. Hage is a better stickhandler, passer, skater, more creative, a play driver and plays with more intensity. Eiserman has a better shot and that’s it. That one elite trait isn’t so elite that it will compensate for being absolutely average everywhere else.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Watch their footage side by side. Hage is a better stickhandler, passer, skater, more creative, a play driver and plays with more intensity. Eiserman has a better shot and that’s it. That one elite trait isn’t so elite that it will compensate for being absolutely average everywhere else.

If this is true then why did Eiserman significantly outproduce Hage?

I like Hage. I appreciate the reservations on Eiserman. I think people are getting a little carried away.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If this is true then why did Eiserman significantly outproduce Hage?

I like Hage. I appreciate the reservations on Eiserman. I think people are getting a little carried away.

Read this thread, dude.

His dad died suddenly in the offseason and he had shoulder surgery. Since about January he dragged Chicago to relevance and scored almost 2 points a game. I believe he was 4th overall in USHL scoring so it’s hot like he was trash.

Eiserman scored what, 25 power play goals being fed by 2025 #1 overall pick and future franchise superstar Jimmy Hagens?

 

[Realgud]

If this is true then why did Eiserman significantly outproduce Hage?

I like Hage. I appreciate the reservations on Eiserman. I think people are getting a little carried away.

1st half vs 2nd half would be my guess. By my calculations, Hage had 52 points in 30 games starting from january, and 23 in 24 games prior to that. When you understand what happened to him this summer and missing most of last season, it makes sense to believe he could have had a pace that would have brought him closer to 85-90 points in regular circumstances. Not only that, but this Chicago team wasn't good at all this season.

Having said that, I do think some of Eiserman's weaknesses are overblown a bit. I don't think his playmaking and his play away from the puck is as bad as some say but I do question his hockey sense overall.

 

[Tatar Shots]

If this is true then why did Eiserman significantly outproduce Hage?

I like Hage. I appreciate the reservations on Eiserman. I think people are getting a little carried away.

If Eiserman had a worse shot people would talk about him as a big bodied forward with a knack for scoring around the net.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Read this thread, dude.

His dad died suddenly in the offseason and he had shoulder surgery. Since about January he dragged Chicago to relevance and scored almost 2 points a game. I believe he was 4th overall in USHL scoring so it’s hot like he was trash.

Eiserman scored what, 25 power play goals being fed by 2025 #1 overall pick and future franchise superstar Jimmy Hagens?

I’m certainly not saying Hage is trash, he’s one of my preferences at 15, good player and by all accounts great kid. I’m aware of his injury history and family situation. His production was good, trajectory is what you like to see. I think your characterization of the players is pretty dramatic.

Fundamentally I think a lot of the board underappreciates how much goes into scoring goals at that high of a clip, and I think reducing Eiserman’s goal scoring ability to a good shot is a good example of that. So is this 2024 notion that all of his goals are a product of Hagens, as if he hasn’t been scoring at an obscene clip since Shattuck’s. His positioning, timing, instincts, deception, release are very, very unique. His goalscoring does absolutely come at a cost in terms of his commitment across the ice, effort defensively, all that, for sure. The same is true for Hage.

I have plenty of reservations about Eiserman but I feel like opinion on him is so inconsistent with other player evaluations. People here will look at so many prospects with pretty average skill sets and confidently project like 20+ goals at the NHL level, then completely hand wave away Eiserman’s exceptional goalscoring resume.

 

[lilidk]

If this is true then why did Eiserman significantly outproduce Hage?

I like Hage. I appreciate the reservations on Eiserman. I think people are getting a little carried away.

Eiserman had 34 points in 24 games . Hage had 75 points in 54 games
Eiserman were scoring a lot because his job was only to shoot

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Eiserman had 34 points in 24 games . Hage had 75 points in 54 games
Eiserman were scoring a lot because his job was only to shoot

I suspect you’re only looking Eiserman’s USHL. The NTDP plays both USHL and NCAA teams, it’s a unique arrangement. Eiserman played 57 games I believe.

 

[norrisnick]

I suspect you’re only looking Eiserman’s USHL. The NTDP plays both USHL and NCAA teams, it’s a unique arrangement. Eiserman played 57 games I believe.

EP lists him as playing 57 games and 24 games. Are those double-counted? Or do they really play 80+ games?

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

EP lists him as playing 57 games and 24 games. Are those double-counted? Or do they really play 80+ games?

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They don’t play 80+, it’s a combination of USHL, NCAA, and some international play. Admittedly, it’s a unique arrangement.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

If we're keeping 15 and he's still there, I'm taking Eiserman no question. He's the exact type of prospect 90% of this board has been clamoring for for the past few years.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If we're keeping 15 and he's still there, I'm taking Eiserman no question. He's the exact type of prospect 90% of this board has been clamoring for for the past few years.

And thank Gord this board isn’t doing the drafting. We’d have Zegras over Seider. Perfetti or Drysdale over Raymond. Some people liked Sillinger over Edvinsson. Savoie over Kasper, and Dvorsky over Danielson.

 

[lilidk]

And thank Gord this board isn’t doing the drafting. We’d have Zegras over Seider. Perfetti or Drysdale over Raymond. Some people liked Sillinger over Edvinsson. Savoie over Kasper, and Dvorsky over Danielson.

I liked Zegras over Seider and Dvorsky over Danielson. Eklund over Edvinsson.

 

[lilidk]

If we're keeping 15 and he's still there, I'm taking Eiserman no question. He's the exact type of prospect 90% of this board has been clamoring for for the past few years.

I prefer trade for Laine instead

 

[DoMakc]

If we're keeping 15 and he's still there, I'm taking Eiserman no question. He's the exact type of prospect 90% of this board has been clamoring for for the past few years.

Like in 2018?

 

[norrisnick]

Like in 2018?

Yes. Take the swing.

Not like the safe guy also picked in '18 moves the needle in any way.

 

[Run the Jewels]

DeBrincat​	Larkin​	Raymond​
X​	Danielson​	Brandsegg-Nygard
X​	Kasper​	Mazur

Walman​	Seider​
Edvinsson​	Sandin-Pelikka​

Cossa​

Augustine​

​

All you are really missing here is a scoring line left wing, which should be easy to acquire via trade or free agency.

 

[DoMakc]

Yes. Take the swing.

Not like the safe guy also picked in '18 moves the needle in any way.

Dunno, i like thre result of drafting safe guys 19-22, maybe even 23 more. I think you greatly overrate the upside of Eisermann, given how his skills traslate. Scoring a lot in juniors =/= scoring a lot in NHL. I'm ok at taking a swing on somebody with certain limitation, but there is a clear understanding what is the issue and how to fix it (like specific skating issues or shot, etc.). In case where we don't know how the skills translates and i don't think answering the question by he scored so many goals in juniors he will figure it out is the right one. It is the same issue with Zadina. He improved his skating, he improved his play without puck, playmaking, he never had a translatable skill.

 

[norrisnick]

Dunno, i like thre result of drafting safe guys 19-22, maybe even 23 more. I think you greatly overrate the upside of Eisermann, given how his skills traslate. Scoring a lot in juniors =/= scoring a lot in NHL. I'm ok at taking a swing on somebody with certain limitation, but there is a clear understanding what is the issue and how to fix it (like specific skating issues or shot, etc.). In case where we don't know how the skills translates and i don't think answering the question by he scored so many goals in juniors he will figure it out is the right one. It is the same issue with Zadina. He improved his skating, he improved his play without puck, playmaking, he never had a translatable skill.

That's cool. All those safe guys make it an even better decision to take a swing.

I am perfectly fine if Yzerman strikes out. Just take the swing. I mean yeah, if the scouts hate him and have actual reasons to point at instead of the spectre of Zadina, then move on to the next scorer. But make it a scorer.

 

[SantosHalper]

Paging Bob McKenzie

 

[Frk It]

That's cool. All those safe guys make it an even better decision to take a swing.

I am perfectly fine if Yzerman strikes out. Just take the swing. I mean yeah, if the scouts hate him and have actual reasons to point at instead of the spectre of Zadina, then move on to the next scorer. But make it a scorer.

I think we positioned pretty well to take a swing on a guy like Eiserman or Connelly, assuming we are comfortable with the other stuff. Could be the equivalent of Yzerman saying he took ASP last year because “we don’t have that in our system”.

We are pretty set on young defenseman and like you said have taken some higher floor guys with the top picks as of late.

Will be interesting to see what route they go.