Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[scelaton]

You failed to mention that Ehlers hasn't ever put up that many points since. That was the highest points total to date.

I really didn't want to have another pissing contest about how good Ehlers is or isn't--it was more about how far Lambert was from projecting to be a high-level NHL forward.

If you don't appreciate that Ehlers has been an elite five-on-five scorer and possession-driver for most of his career, despite limited ice time, then we can agree to disagree. Now that he is on the Jets’ top power-play, still with relatively limited TOI, he is scoring at a PPG pace.

This whole discussion about needing to replace Ehlers has arisen, in large part, because of concerns that the disparity between his talent level and historical utilization will make him look for opportunity elsewhere. I must say, though, that with the team winning so much and his increased role in that, the opportunity to retain him is better than it was in July.

 

[ps241]

Maurice moved him to #1 C in that playoff year, which is also the emergence of Lowry as the #3 C who took over for #2 with Little out to get us into the playoffs. Scheifele was completely shut down by Kesler in round 1. But he never looked back. Next year Ehlers started with Scheif and Wheeler, but without Frolik it was a bit of a gong show. Bringing Burmistrov back, I believe it was Burmistrov-Lowry-Stafford as the 3rd line that was awful to start, and the Jets never recovered that year. Somewhere along the way Trouba and Stuart were separated too, and the Buff-Trouba experiment that never lasted and caused a Trouba holdout after missing the playoffs.

I assume you are talking about 15-16. Where did Little play that season because he had 42 pints in 57 games until his injury which was close to his normal first line pace in Winnipeg. Were he and Ladd playing on the 2nd line?

This is why its nice to have a community of posters here because in my mind Mark was getting held back a bit that season until Brian was lost to injury, but I might be misremembering.

 

[DRW204]

Yup:
Scheifele last year and in 17-18
Lowry has been plus 17 each of the past two years.

I'm happy with the defense he's brought but imo I think both Cole and Ehlers have had a lot to say about the outscoring.

Both continue to outscore and post positive metrics away from him over the past two years whereas Namestnikov falls below 50% across the board when away from them.

I think Namestnikov is just a real good fit for those two but they are less dependent on him then he is on them. I worry a bit about what will happen to his game of Ehlers leaves.

perfetti: 4 goals and 18 pts
names: 6 goals and 15 pts

by TOI: 1.4 vs 1.3 pts/60. really, there's hardly any difference in perfetti & names' offensive stats. but Perfetti apparently has "a lot to say" about outscoring, but not namestnikov... lol.

when namestnikov is away from those 2 where is he playing? who was he playing with? ie: last year he played with Connor and Scheifele when those 2 were brutal in their own end, which would bleed into his stats.

ehlers for instance: away from those 2 was with Monahan (& Toffoli) and Scheifele (& Vilardi) for example; which were both excellent pairings/lines which may contribute to why his "without" stats are still v good. fully realize ehlers is tiers ahead of names' as an individual player, but imo really need to contextualize the "without" stats further.

 

[Heldig]

I still envision trading for Bjorgstrand, signing Ehlers and trading for a D with term. Think Chevy will sign Pionk. Perfetti and Vilardi commit as well.

Lambert for Bjorgrstrand
Barlow + Heinola + conditional 1st -> Pulock

Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Bjorgstrand
Perfetti - Names - Iafallo
Niederreiter - Kupari - Appleton

Morrissey - DeMelo
Sandberg - Pionk
Pulock - Miller

Helle
Comrie

Iafallo walks at end of year. Barron, Gus and Chibrikov as replacements (or He).

Rest of the team are signed for at least 1 more year.

 

[surixon]

So let me break up my response into two parts:

Assets waisted on rentals to plug the #2 centre hole for playoff runs.

I am 100% with you, its a waist of valuable assets in a market like Winnipeg its a killer.

Should we play the prospect pipe line at #2 center and hope they grow into the role.

I am less sold that we have had a young in house fit. Arniel is not Bones, but its not lost on me that neither one of them have been comfortable with Cole at Centre "yet". I am a Pefetti fan and notwithstanding this recent nice run he has struggled to play consistently enough in the top 6 yet, let alone to crack the centre position code. I will be the first to admit none of the prospects are getting the Logan Stanley audition at #2 centre but that makes sense since the position carries way more weight than a bottom pairing sheltered D man.

brings me back to my central point, we need 1st and 2nd round draft capital for trade packages for assets not two weeks in May rentals.

I think that's fair but I also believe people expect far too much in terms of production consistency from players not on the top line/top pp unit. Those players don't get the prime offensive usage that the top line players get. Look at guys with similar usage to Cole like Nino, he's a long time vet and has had equally as bad of production slumps. On another contending team, their second line/second pp unit players like Kotkenemi, Roslovic, and Staal have all had lengthy slumps as well. It comes with the territory of secondary offensive usage.

We are spoiled on this team having a player in Fly that has been able to excel as a one man show for years on line 2. Look at second lines around the league and you'll find similar consistency issues.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yup:
Scheifele last year and in 17-18
Lowry has been plus 17 each of the past two years.

I'm happy with the defense he's brought but imo I think both Cole and Ehlers have had a lot to say about the outscoring.

Both continue to outscore and post positive metrics away from him over the past two years whereas Namestnikov falls below 50% across the board when away from them.

I think Namestnikov is just a real good fit for those two but they are less dependent on him then he is on them. I worry a bit about what will happen to his game of Ehlers leaves.

Well than hopefully he can maintain the numbers with Lambert and Cole taking a step forward. Lambert is the same style player as Ehlers even if he is not as good so same style role. Hopefully, Lambert goes to the net more.

 

[DRW204]

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Defense numbers don't look good. Probably does just need a move. (to the best defensive team in the league)

his offense at 5v5 is pretty comparable to Vilardi's, and superior to both Perfetti and Namestnikov's. The delta really is the PP, where the Jets PP units are clicking at insane levels, as evidenced by the Jets having 7 players in the top-20 of PP scoring rates and the #1 PP team in the NHL.

Buffalo's PP stats are brutal. Cozens' pts/60 at 5v5 is superior to that of his PP's. I don't watch BUF to have a qualified opinion but i am thinking this is not fully an individual player problem. But role, system etc.

id be interested in Cozens if the Jets think he returns positively on that 7M cap hit, which imo would be a 60-70 pt player. & his price is more reflective of his recent seasons.

 

[raideralex99]

his offense at 5v5 is pretty comparable to Vilardi's, and superior to both Perfetti and Namestnikov's. The delta really is the PP, where the Jets PP units are clicking at insane levels, as evidenced by the Jets having 7 players in the top-20 of PP scoring rates and the #1 PP team in the NHL.

Buffalo's PP stats are brutal. Cozens' pts/60 at 5v5 is superior to that of his PP's. I don't watch BUF to have a qualified opinion but i am thinking this is not fully an individual problem.

id be interested in Cozens if the Jets think he returns positively on that 7M cap hit, which imo would be a 60-70 pt player.

I'm not attacking you just pointing out ... you did not watch the Sabres play and you are going by stats which can be misleading. When a team is up by a few goals they are going to rest the top 6 more and playing against the bottom 6 can make your stats look good.
I have not watch Buffalo that much either maybe 2 or 3 games and I can tell you that in those games ... I saw nothing in Cozens that would convince me he is a great player. In fact one of the games his name was not mentioned once in the third period when the Sabres were down a goal.
Sure he can get traded and with the new team can turn his career/production around greatly but went a player is not performing his contract ... the only way I would trade for him is if he should come cheap. I don't think Buffalo will give away Crozens for cheap.

 

[Bob E]

his offense at 5v5 is pretty comparable to Vilardi's, and superior to both Perfetti and Namestnikov's. The delta really is the PP, where the Jets PP units are clicking at insane levels, as evidenced by the Jets having 7 players in the top-20 of PP scoring rates and the #1 PP team in the NHL.

Buffalo's PP stats are brutal. Cozens' pts/60 at 5v5 is superior to that of his PP's. I don't watch BUF to have a qualified opinion but i am thinking this is not fully an individual player problem. But role, system etc.

id be interested in Cozens if the Jets think he returns positively on that 7M cap hit, which imo would be a 60-70 pt player. & his price is more reflective of his recent seasons.

Agreed.

You would have to be comfortable that Cozens playing style would mesh with the Jets system. His size, skill and speed would be welcome. I don’t watch many Sabres games though his physical attributes should be assets on the forecheck. If he can get back to a 70 pt C, or even winger, that would be ideal for the Jets. Yager can still be developed as a solid 2-way C, but not a rush, with Cozens or Scheifele moving to wing as needed.

 

[DRW204]

I'm not attacking you just pointing out ... you did not watch the Sabres play and you are going by stats which can be misleading. When a team is up by a few goals they are going to rest the top 6 more and playing against the bottom 6 can make your stats look good.
I have not watch Buffalo that much either maybe 2 or 3 games and I can tell you that in those games ... I saw nothing in Cozens that would convince me he is a great player. In fact one of the games his name was not mentioned once in the third period when the Sabres were down a goal.
Sure he can get traded and with the new team can turn his career/production around greatly but went a player is not performing his contract ... the only way I would trade for him is if he should come cheap. I don't think Buffalo will give away Crozens for cheap.

Yeah I'll defer to those who watch him play consistently, meaning more than a couple games.
Like I said my trust would be in the Jets watching, analyzing and thinking he returns value at 7m as opposed to a few games watched from hf posters.
There's also a pretty notable list of players that have gone on to do good things once away from Buffalo but again 7m is a huge ticket.

 

[CanMerc]

God damn, Blake might have a little PTSD when Chevy's name pops up on his cell....

Let’s hope so and Chevy gets another deal

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

what if it wasn't risto the jets were interested in but sanheim instead

I doubt Sanheim would be available short of a big overpay. And he has strong trade protection.

Let’s hope this is true about Risto.
See no reason to pay the big price to get Sanheim just to knock Samberg down after how’s he’s played to earn his slot. It would be a bad move by WPG and likely guarantee a trade request by Samberg.

Sanheim plays the right side quite well. But, as I said before, he is not likely available.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

ROR would be perfect, but I don't think he's an option for us. Sounds like Trotz gave him the unofficial NMC

That just means ROR would be asked before being traded. Wouldn't want him if he didn't come willingly anyway. He just might waive for a chance to compete.

I don't think we should just always assume trade protection means they are unavailable. It just means they have the choice.

 

[gojetsgo]

I doubt Sanheim would be available short of a big overpay. And he has strong trade protection.

it's unlikely but sanheim was traded if krug was willing to waive his trade protection and after the trade fell thru I think it was dreger who reported the jets were interested in him, they were unable to move him but since then he has played better and it might be a good time for philly to capitalize on that

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not sure if that is true. If we put somebody on the roster the day before the trade deadline we will have to waive somebody. If we put somebody on after the trade line I'm not sure that they can play in the playoffs.

I don't know the rule but I know that every year teams pick up players that put them over the 23 man limit without waiving anyone. Maybe deals made on TD day get 24 hrs to sort it out and then the roster limit is off. Or maybe they need to get down to 23 men before their next game. Or something else. But they make it work.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I just think Cozens needs a new home. But I don't think Buffalo would be remotely interested in the Jets #29-32 pick in this draft. Wait until the draft, and see who calls about him, probably get a top 10 pick for a young star with a contract that could be great if he hits his peak. And a decent prospect.

Unless he turns it around for the remainder of the season I doubt that any GM would be willing to bet that big on a change of scene being the cure-all for Cozens.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Why the hell would LA want to get rid of Byfield, Kyrou in St Louis too for that matter?? Doesnt make any sense.

Dont shoot the messenger

 

[10Ducky10]

I really didn't want to have another pissing contest about how good Ehlers is or isn't--it was more about how far Lambert was from projecting to be a high-level NHL forward.

If you don't appreciate that Ehlers has been an elite five-on-five scorer and possession-driver for most of his career, despite limited ice time, then we can agree to disagree. Now that he is on the Jets’ top power-play, still with relatively limited TOI, he is scoring at a PPG pace.

This whole discussion about needing to replace Ehlers has arisen, in large part, because of concerns that the disparity between his talent level and historical utilization will make him look for opportunity elsewhere. I must say, though, that with the team winning so much and his increased role in that, the opportunity to retain him is better than it was in July.

I am glad we have Ehlers and hope he stays; however, I do not consider him elite. I'd give him 7 x 8.5m but no more

 

[10Ducky10]

Unless he turns it around for the remainder of the season I doubt that any GM would be willing to bet that big on a change of scene being the cure-all for Cozens.

He played with Peterka and Tuch last night and assisted on all 3 goals in their win. Play him with talent and he will produce.

I don't know the rule but I know that every year teams pick up players that put them over the 23 man limit without waiving anyone. Maybe deals made on TD day get 24 hrs to sort it out and then the roster limit is off. Or maybe they need to get down to 23 men before their next game. Or something else. But they make it work.

Not sure to be honest. Anyone know?

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

If Ottawa plays themselves out of the race in the next 2 weeks, could we get Giroux? 2025 UFA.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Chevy did an interview a couple weeks back where he basically came out and said Ehlers will not be traded regardless of getting a contract done FYI

 

[CanMerc]

I still envision trading for Bjorgstrand, signing Ehlers and trading for a D with term. Think Chevy will sign Pionk. Perfetti and Vilardi commit as well.

Lambert for Bjorgrstrand
Barlow + Heinola + conditional 1st -> Pulock

Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Bjorgstrand
Perfetti - Names - Iafallo
Niederreiter - Kupari - Appleton

Morrissey - DeMelo
Sandberg - Pionk
Pulock - Miller

Helle
Comrie

Iafallo walks at end of year. Barron, Gus and Chibrikov as replacements (or He).

Rest of the team are signed for at least 1 more year.

If we could get Pulock for that I’d be ecstatic, but I definitely wouldn’t play him on the 3rd pairing on his off side