2024-25 San Diego Gulls/Tulsa Oilers

ZegrassyKnoll

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Yeah, if someone told me right now that Nathan Gaucher would have as good of a career as Derek Grant has had, I would take it.

That seems like his upside and I personally have a problem with that. To each their own
There’s no way to say this without coming off as a dick but my advice would be to re-evaluate your expectations for a late first round pick.

A very small number of players will over perform and make you think that everyone else is hitting home runs in the late first round, but 90% of picks in that area are singles at best.

There hasn’t been a single high-performance player taken at 22OA since 2014, and that was Kapanen, who has never topped 44 points.
 

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There’s no way to say this without coming off as a dick but my advice would be to re-evaluate your expectations for a late first round pick.

A very small number of players will over perform and make you think that everyone else is hitting home runs in the late first round, but 90% of picks in that area are singles at best.

There hasn’t been a single high-performance player taken at 22OA since 2014, and that was Kapanen, who has never topped 44 points.

Draft pick number playing 100 NHL games or more:

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That's a steep decline from pick #1 to pick #31.



Draft pick number playing 200 games or more:

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The decline is even steeper when identifying 200 NHL games played between pick #1 to #31.



People cite how 1st round picks are valuable, but not realize the vast different in talent value between the top-3 picks, picks 4-10, picks 11-19, and picks 20+. There's less of a gamble with top-3 picks. The risk of missing out increases exponentially the further away you are from a top-3 pick until pick 40. Pick 40 is when the drop off changes from an exponential drop to a gradual drop.

Anaheim bucks the trend in defense and goalies.

  • Current NHL roster has 4 drafted youths playing:
    • LD Minty (Rd 1, 10th OA)
      81 NHL games
    • LD/RD Zell (Rd 2)
      44 NHL games
    • LD/RD LaCombe (Rd 2)
      86 NHL games
    • RD Helleson (Rd 2, traded pick)
      7 NHL games

  • Current NHL roster has both goalies drafted outside the first round:
    • G Dostal (Rd 3)
      80 NHL games
    • G Gibby (Rd 2)
      481 NHL games

Because the Ducks draft well at both defense and goal, they can afford to dedicate top-10 picks to forwards.

2019, 9th OA: C Zegras
2021, 3rd OA: C McTavish
2022, 5th OA: LW Cutter (trade for 2020 6th OA RD Drysdale)
2023, 2nd OA: C Carlsson
2024, 3rd OA: RW Senneck

With several finesse forwards draft in the top-10, Verbeek wanted more defensive-minded support players in 2022 C Gaucher and 2023 Rd2, 33rd OA LW Myatovic. Oddly, Verbeek's stance changed in 2024 with shorter, offensive-minded C Pettersson.
 
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AngelDuck

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There’s no way to say this without coming off as a dick but my advice would be to re-evaluate your expectations for a late first round pick.

A very small number of players will over perform and make you think that everyone else is hitting home runs in the late first round, but 90% of picks in that area are singles at best.

There hasn’t been a single high-performance player taken at 22OA since 2014, and that was Kapanen, who has never topped 44 points.
But the issue is that Gaucher’s best case scenario was never more than a 3rd line center. That was on draft night.

I don’t have a problem with a Perreault who had upside but just didn’t pan out

I have a huge problem with guys that have low upside and don’t pan out
 

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