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Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

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Is Jones even that good that everyone wants him so badly? I mean, he would be an upgrade on Manson and Girard I guess, but is he really that good? I see him as being similar to Nurse, or am I off base here? The cup year Manson was a beast. I wish he could get back being that good. Maybe if he’s 100% he would, but he’s been playing injured all year
 
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myperbixhurts said:
Is Jones even that good that everyone wants him so badly? I mean, he would be an upgrade on Manson and Girard I guess, but is he really that good? I see him as being similar to Nurse, or am I off base here? The cup year Manson was a beast. I wish he could get back being that good. Maybe if he’s 100% he would, but he’s been playing injured all year
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Others will answer better, but I see him having the same impact as EJ, might not have the hits. Nothing flashy, just reliable, takes lots of minutes #3 spot, would probably open G to get involved with the offense a bit more.
 
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Azrael89 said:
If I’m Mikko I’m not trying to play the Canes way. They’re close but no cigar every season. Mikko won the chip.
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If I'm Mikko, I'd start contacting teams in Europe.

If he doesn't want to play the way his team does, he doesn't need to be playing on a team. At least one in the NHL. He can take his bad summer habbits, his smoking darts between periods, and his instability anywhere on god's green earth, as long as it isn't anywhere near mine.

I don't even dislike the guy. He looks like he's going through hell right now. What I can't stand is anyone suggesting he should still be an Avs. You might think I'm being sarcastic... but the fact is, even when Mikko is the only person on the ice, he can't skate 200' without falling over.

If he was half as hungry for a goal in the first five minutes of a game as he is for the last 2 minutes he'd have no issues from me.
 
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myperbixhurts said:
Is Jones even that good that everyone wants him so badly? I mean, he would be an upgrade on Manson and Girard I guess, but is he really that good? I see him as being similar to Nurse, or am I off base here? The cup year Manson was a beast. I wish he could get back being that good. Maybe if he’s 100% he would, but he’s been playing injured all year
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He's still solid, but most of the interest is because the next best defenseman known to be on the market is Ristolainen. Slim pickings out there.
 
myperbixhurts said:
Is Jones even that good that everyone wants him so badly? I mean, he would be an upgrade on Manson and Girard I guess, but is he really that good? I see him as being similar to Nurse, or am I off base here? The cup year Manson was a beast. I wish he could get back being that good. Maybe if he’s 100% he would, but he’s been playing injured all year
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Jones isn’t a perfect dman by any stretch. I’ll speak for myself in why I want him. He fits the Avs identity absolutely perfectly. Think of a taller Sam Girard. A guy who can skate well, can move the puck, can eat minutes, can PK, can PP if needed. He’s an all around dman that plays the way the Avs need their dmen to play. And to boot he’s RH which is already rare to begin with and the exact position we need.

He’s quite literally the perfect backup to Makar. Is he a number 1? No, but he can absolutely fill those shoes in case of injuries. He completely re-shapes the top 4 D, and that gives the avs flexibility in the off season. They can choose to keep Manson, or, he’s likely a very valuable physical RHD on the last year of his contract.

The fact that a player like him is available, would likely be willing to waive makes it an extremely rare opportunity.
 
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EdAVSfan said:
Jones isn’t a perfect dman by any stretch. I’ll speak for myself in why I want him. He fits the Avs identity absolutely perfectly. Think of a taller Sam Girard. A guy who can skate well, can move the puck, can eat minutes, can PK, can PP if needed. He’s an all around dman that plays the way the Avs need their dmen to play. And to boot he’s RH which is already rare to begin with and the exact position we need.

He’s quite literally the perfect backup to Makar. Is he a number 1? No, but he can absolutely fill those shoes in case of injuries. He completely re-shapes the top 4 D, and that gives the avs flexibility in the off season. They can choose to keep Manson, or, he’s likely a very valuable physical RHD on the last year of his contract.

The fact that a player like him is available, would likely be willing to waive makes it an extremely rare opportunity.
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Well said. To me, everything you just said is the reason why it doesn't matter if C-Mac overpays to get him.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm I'm Mikko, I'd start contacting teams in Europe.

If he doesn't want to play the way his team does, he doesn't need to be playing on a team. At least one in the NHL. He can take his bad summer habbits, his smoking darts between periods, and his instability anywhere on god's green earth, as long as it isn't anywhere near mine.

I don't even dislike the guy. He looks like he's going through hell right now. What I can't stand is anyone suggesting he should still be an Avs. You might think I'm being sarcastic... but the fact is, even when Mikko is the only person on the ice, he can't skate 200' without falling over.

If he was half as hungry for a goal in the first five minutes of a game as he is for the last 2 minutes he'd have no issues from me.
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Would love to see Mikko in Europe, but I don't think we can beat a 100M offer with a budget of 2M a year.
 
EdAVSfan said:
Jones isn’t a perfect dman by any stretch. I’ll speak for myself in why I want him. He fits the Avs identity absolutely perfectly. Think of a taller Sam Girard. A guy who can skate well, can move the puck, can eat minutes, can PK, can PP if needed. He’s an all around dman that plays the way the Avs need their dmen to play. And to boot he’s RH which is already rare to begin with and the exact position we need.

He’s quite literally the perfect backup to Makar. Is he a number 1? No, but he can absolutely fill those shoes in case of injuries. He completely re-shapes the top 4 D, and that gives the avs flexibility in the off season. They can choose to keep Manson, or, he’s likely a very valuable physical RHD on the last year of his contract.

The fact that a player like him is available, would likely be willing to waive makes it an extremely rare opportunity.
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Exactly!

We wouldn't be bringing in Jones to play on our top pairing. We'd be bringing him in to play on the second pairing next to Sam Girard who is a hell of a mobile defensemen himself. Jones moving to the Avs would actually lessen his load, while ratcheting up the necessity for consistency.

Like you said, he can eat those minutes and in doing so, he'd be pushing Manson to the 3rd pair for this run. Manson, in playoff mode, on the third pair? If he'd had better luck with health this season, I'd say that's a massive luxury... but honestly, if we don't move Manson down at the deadline, what we are doing is setting up the team for failure. As much as I love Manson, we can't count on him being in the top four for the entire playoff run (if we happen to luck into more than just the first round.)
 
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Ararana said:
I believe it was Byram. It's well documented that Avs management knew they were eventually going to lose him as he wanted a shot to try to be a #1D somewhere.

I don't blame management for taking a swing on Byram/Mitts. Mitts had the potential to be a top six center. But they swung and missed big time and the blame falls on them for that. You don't trade a kid like Byram and wiff on the trade without taking a rash of shit.

They would have been better served trying to package Byram and getting a center with more proven experience.
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I don't think much was factually documented. There was a lot of after the fact rationalizion/PR that leaked out for why they traded a popular player in Byram though.

In the end a lot of the reasons for trading Byram, whether it's a conversation with a friend about playing together one day, or being behind a 30 year old in the depth chart while you're 22, apply to lots of other players too, but they don't end up being traded. Especially top 5 picks. Teams just hold onto them.

I think the Avs just made a panic trade. Pure and simple. They could have been more patient with Byram and either seen how he rebounded in the playoffs or the following season, or waited for a better player than Mitts to trade him for, but they got pressured into trading for a 2C so bad, they just said f*** it and made the deal.
 
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BobRossColton said:
Before playoffs
Toews Makar
Girard Jones
Dumoulin Malinski
Kylington
Ltir Manson

Start playoffs
Toews Makar
Girard Jones
Dumoulin Manson
Malinski
Kylington
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I'd like it but I have a feeling that means we are relying on Mitts to rebound and both Nuke and Landy going for the playoffs.

I'd feel better getting Jones, allowing Malinski to play next to Manson and then trying to get a center who doesn't shy away from the limelight.

I just don't know how we go about swapping Mitts for a more suitable center. There was a hot moment where I thought maybe we should talk to CBJ about Monahan, but I think the community has taken to him and it sure looks like he's doing okay, so I wouldn't want to rock that boat.

But seriously... who else is even available? I'm still finding it hard to believe Jared is employeed and he hasn't tried Necas as a play-driving winger on the second line.

I do not believe I've ever seen a head coach and GM be so out of tune since... Sakic and Roy? *LOL*
 
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I'd like it but I have a feeling that means we are relying on Mitts to rebound and both Nuke and Landy going for the playoffs.

I'd feel better getting Jones, allowing Malinski to play next to Manson and then trying to get a center who doesn't shy away from the limelight.
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I still have faith that mitts could “rebound” if nuke stays healthy/clean. He hasn’t had a lot of talent to work with and Drouin, while I love what he brings at his price, is not a line-driver.

The problem is keeping nuke in the lineup, and if he goes down, mitts will sink yet again so it’s a double whammy…
 
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Avsfan1921 said:
I still have faith that mitts could “rebound” if nuke stays healthy/clean. He hasn’t had a lot of talent to work with and Drouin, while I love what he brings at his price, is not a line-driver.

The problem is keeping nuke in the lineup, and if he goes down, mitts will sink yet again so it’s a double whammy…
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I've also thought Mitts could rebound having JD and Lehky. Both are high IQ players who I think could help Mitts stop over-thinking and complicating things.

I've never seen another human, other than myself, get caught up so tightly in their own head that they can't find a way out. Casey doesn't have to prove anything... he already proved he could play. What he needs to do is remember that and just really work on trying to build chemistry with anyone Bednar plays him with for more than three shifts.
 
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Bender said:
If the Avs get a player that is going to push Manson down to the bottom pairing, i don't think Dumo was going to be a target. I think they'd have probably traded for Grzlcek in that case for more of a puck mover to pair with Manson.

If they don't then possibly to play with Malinski.
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I think the Avs ideally need two D men.

Dumoulin wouldn't be the guy that pushes Manson down. He'd be the guy to play with Manson in more of a traditional vet shutdown pair, or with Malinski (if Manson is moved and Malinski kept) on the third pair, after a #3-4RD is brought in.

it would be disappointing, but if they don't want to spend the assets on a top 4 RD, then he could also just play with Malinski, while Manson stays with G.

Just seemed like a good target under lots of different situations. The kind to trade for earlier than the deadline too.
 
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