Mighty Makar
I hate this fu*ken team
- May 24, 2016
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Injury Report: 2024-2025 Injury thread | HF’s Longest Thread Just Got Longer
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- Apr 25, 2006
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It’s never going to change we need to stop hoping to see a healthy team.
GoNordiquesGo
Registered User
Got to blame the Avs. Its an important part of the culture.
This is the way.
Cypher
Registered User
Classic Avs. Players completes the game (got off the ice with 50 seconds left in regulation) and the very next day, goes on IR.
I wish I had the same job security as the Avs medical team.
I wish I had the same job security as the Avs medical team.
Jasenr
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- Nov 25, 2024
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Its never the call-up guys who get injured. Its always the regulars. How lucky is that...
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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For the Avs, it's been about a decade of that injury bug. Pretty persistent that one.
- Jul 25, 2006
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Yup, the one season we didn’t have too many injuries, we won the cup in 2022. I’m not counting the 96 and 01 cups because there was no salary cap back then so it was different. Now days with the cap, you need to have a full line up or real close to a full line up to win
Foppa2118
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- Oct 3, 2003
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Sorry for the long post, but wanted to explain in detail my rationale for thinking their playing style is the main cause of their persistent injuries over the years.
Oh I'm aware. I posted those exact same burst stats at the beginning of last year HERE when it was being said Seattle was faster than the Avs, which they weren't.
It's less about top speed, it's how they constantly play at a high pace, and how often they're skating hard to pressure puck carriers on the forecheck and backcheck. They need to move their feet for the system to be successful. Most teams coast a lot more than the Avs. You increase your pace, you increase your chance of injury. Think about the impact when driving a car.
That pressure and constant pace is a key part of Bednar's system, but in terms of playing fast with the puck, even the Forsberg/Sakic era emphasized this. Probably to take advantage of being used to playing at altitude. Even more so under Bednar, and I think it's further evidence to my point, that we've seen the injury problem get worse.
I've talked in less detail about this many times over the years, but the reason this can contribute to injuries is multi fold.
First there's the fatigue factor, which you may be aware of from your time in the Navy, can lead to injuries and mental mistakes by itself. Your body mechanics and overall awareness decrease a lot when you're fatigued. Your groin, quad, hip, and other lower body muscles have a higher chance of being strained from being overworked too. Many of these muscles are stabilizers for the knee and hip too. They get weaker from fatigue, and give out a bit, and you increase the chances of knee, hip, or other lower body injuries.
It's not just lower body injuries either, it can contribute to ALL injuries. When you're constantly pushing your body to play at a high pace, and focused on pressuring puck carriers at all times, as opposed to coasting and reading the play, it has a big impact on your awareness. You're going to find yourself in more situations where you're playing faster than you're comfortable with, and find yourself in danger quicker than you anticipated. There will be more situations where you're being reckless, or just not aware of danger, or even just increasing the force during hits from the higher speed.
Think EJ rushing up ice at full speed focused on dumping the puck in, and not being aware enough of big Jordan Greenwood coming to finish his hit very hard, that he doesn't brace himself well enough, and gets blown up and hits his face on the ice for a really bad concussion. Or Drouin charging after the puck carrier and not aware of the skate that cuts him right before the playoffs. Or Landy being so focused on pressuring the puck carrier he doesn't see Cale's leg and skate swinging toward his knee. Or maybe even Drouin skating into the zone with the puck and getting sandwiched against the glass for his shoulder injury.
Their pace can also lead to other teams having bad reactions or being reckless and injuring the Avs too. Think MacKinnon flying up the ice in transition, and Taylor Hall mis timing his hit, so his shoulder hits MacKinnon's stick/face, and he gets a facial fracture and concussion. This lack of awareness might even have contributed to Manson not seeing the ref backing up toward him the other game when the ref had to be stretchered off.
Because they emphasize skating so hard all game, a player on the Avs is going to find themselves in these situations probably a few more times a game than players on other teams. Multiplied by 18 skaters every game. Multiplied by 82 games + playoffs.
That adds up to a lot more of these situations on the Avs than other teams, and you can see how that can increase the chances of injury to Avalanche players by a fair amount, compared to other teams.
Oh I'm aware. I posted those exact same burst stats at the beginning of last year HERE when it was being said Seattle was faster than the Avs, which they weren't.
It's less about top speed, it's how they constantly play at a high pace, and how often they're skating hard to pressure puck carriers on the forecheck and backcheck. They need to move their feet for the system to be successful. Most teams coast a lot more than the Avs. You increase your pace, you increase your chance of injury. Think about the impact when driving a car.
That pressure and constant pace is a key part of Bednar's system, but in terms of playing fast with the puck, even the Forsberg/Sakic era emphasized this. Probably to take advantage of being used to playing at altitude. Even more so under Bednar, and I think it's further evidence to my point, that we've seen the injury problem get worse.
I've talked in less detail about this many times over the years, but the reason this can contribute to injuries is multi fold.
First there's the fatigue factor, which you may be aware of from your time in the Navy, can lead to injuries and mental mistakes by itself. Your body mechanics and overall awareness decrease a lot when you're fatigued. Your groin, quad, hip, and other lower body muscles have a higher chance of being strained from being overworked too. Many of these muscles are stabilizers for the knee and hip too. They get weaker from fatigue, and give out a bit, and you increase the chances of knee, hip, or other lower body injuries.
It's not just lower body injuries either, it can contribute to ALL injuries. When you're constantly pushing your body to play at a high pace, and focused on pressuring puck carriers at all times, as opposed to coasting and reading the play, it has a big impact on your awareness. You're going to find yourself in more situations where you're playing faster than you're comfortable with, and find yourself in danger quicker than you anticipated. There will be more situations where you're being reckless, or just not aware of danger, or even just increasing the force during hits from the higher speed.
Think EJ rushing up ice at full speed focused on dumping the puck in, and not being aware enough of big Jordan Greenwood coming to finish his hit very hard, that he doesn't brace himself well enough, and gets blown up and hits his face on the ice for a really bad concussion. Or Drouin charging after the puck carrier and not aware of the skate that cuts him right before the playoffs. Or Landy being so focused on pressuring the puck carrier he doesn't see Cale's leg and skate swinging toward his knee. Or maybe even Drouin skating into the zone with the puck and getting sandwiched against the glass for his shoulder injury.
Their pace can also lead to other teams having bad reactions or being reckless and injuring the Avs too. Think MacKinnon flying up the ice in transition, and Taylor Hall mis timing his hit, so his shoulder hits MacKinnon's stick/face, and he gets a facial fracture and concussion. This lack of awareness might even have contributed to Manson not seeing the ref backing up toward him the other game when the ref had to be stretchered off.
Because they emphasize skating so hard all game, a player on the Avs is going to find themselves in these situations probably a few more times a game than players on other teams. Multiplied by 18 skaters every game. Multiplied by 82 games + playoffs.
That adds up to a lot more of these situations on the Avs than other teams, and you can see how that can increase the chances of injury to Avalanche players by a fair amount, compared to other teams.
- Oct 24, 2008
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Back to averaging 2 injuries per game.
Season of f***ing hell.
Drouin
Colton
Landeskog
Wood
Kylington
And our Poolboy, too!
Season of f***ing hell.
Drouin
Colton
Landeskog
Wood
Kylington
And our Poolboy, too!
forsbergavs32
Global Moderator
Is this a bad time to mention I’m also week to week with an upper body injury?
SoundwaveIsCharisma
Moderator
I think the reason for the Avs struggles is that the injuries/60 finally eclipsed the AE/60
