2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[StLewis11]

Folks will feel I'm too sentimental over this, but if it was up to me, I'd keep Binnington as a Blue for life, and put up a statue.

 

[Brian39]

Read that Columbus is shopping big brother Jiricek. Should the Blues try to get him? Would he be available for Bolduc for instance? Bad idea?

I think Dvorsky is the only Blues prospect that would have any chance of landing D. Jiricek in a 1-for-1 swap. Even then, I think Columbus would likely hold out for more than just Dvorsky.

Even if you believe the relationship has soured enough that the player is actively asking out, Columbus holds all of the leverage. He is under contract (through next season) and has no real ability to make things truly uncomfortable for Columbus at this point. Even if they are completely committed to moving him, they can afford to take their time and get a great offer.

He was drafted 6th overall and is a 6'04" right hand shot D man with tons of upside. He turns 21 next week and that is still extremely young for a D man. He holds way more value than a good (but not great) wing prospect.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Jiricek has to have weird value. He's not far enough out of his draft year where his value would tank based on what he's done, but at the same time, he's really struggled in a place where it shouldn't be too difficult for someone of his pedigree to break through. Skating issues are enough of a red flag where teams would be scared to give up a ton, but there is still a ton of potential with him, and he's still very young.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Folks will feel I'm too sentimental over this, but if it was up to me, I'd keep Binnington as a Blue for life, and put up a statue.

No matter what happens next, I think he deserves to have a statue added to the row outside. It would partly be to commemorate the entire Cup team, but his contribution to that run can't be overstated. His mentality transformed the team into one that had a chance to do something special, and then his performance in Game 7 (and pretty much after any playoff loss, and a lot of road playoff games with crazy atmospheres) was legendary.

The Game 7 duel between Bishop and Binnington should have been the WCF. Its largely forgotten by the general hockey community, but it was an epic game.

 

[Majorityof1]

No matter what happens next, I think he deserves to have a statue added to the row outside. It would partly be to commemorate the entire Cup team, but his contribution to that run can't be overstated. His mentality transformed the team into one that had a chance to do something special, and then his performance in Game 7 (and pretty much after any playoff loss, and a lot of road playoff games with crazy atmospheres) was legendary.

The Game 7 duel between Bishop and Binnington should have been the WCF. Its largely forgotten by the general hockey community, but it was an epic game.

It is overstated all the time. If by Cup run, you mean the playoffs, he had come down to earth a bit. He didn't have a historic playoffs. He wasn't as good in the playoffs as the regular season.

If you mean the whole worst to playoffs run, then he was hugely important. But so was Berube. So was Bortuzzo punching Sanford. So was the veteran leaders in the room. So was Gloria and everything behind that.

But since ROR, Petro, Berube, Gloria, are all gone, Binnington gets all the credit.

 

[Majorityof1]

Jiricek has to have weird value. He's not far enough out of his draft year where his value would tank based on what he's done, but at the same time, he's really struggled in a place where it shouldn't be difficult for someone of his pedigree to break through. Skating issues are enough of a red flag where teams would be scared to give up a ton, but there is still a ton of potential with him, and he's still very young.

I have not watched Jiricek this year, so take this was a grain of salt. But D take time to develop. He is only in his D+3 season. Faber, Dobson and Bouchard I believe weren't everyday players to their D+4. I don't think his value would be that affected from struggling to make the NHL yet.

 

[wiscrev]

It is overstated all the time. If by Cup run, you mean the playoffs, he had come down to earth a bit. He didn't have a historic playoffs. He wasn't as good in the playoffs as the regular season.

If you mean the whole worst to playoffs run, then he was hugely important. But so was Berube. So was Bortuzzo punching Sanford. So was the veteran leaders in the room. So was Gloria and everything behind that.

But since ROR, Petro, Berube, Gloria, are all gone, Binnington gets all the credit.

I didn't take that as "Bennington getting all the credit." I agree with him on many aspects. Look, it's his opinion and he's right because it's his, just like my opinion is right because it is mine. One person doesn't win the Cup, it takes a whole team.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No one is saying he gets all the credit, but he was absolutely one of the main drivers in getting to the playoffs, and then throughout the playoffs. In game 7, we very well might not win if he didn't weather the storm like he did. Once we got some goals, then we started controlling the play.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I have not watched Jiricek this year, so take this was a grain of salt. But D take time to develop. He is only in his D+3 season. Faber, Dobson and Bouchard I believe weren't everyday players to their D+4. I don't think his value would be that affected from struggling to make the NHL yet.

It's still very much early in his development, and clearly Columbus has not developed him well. They rushed him to the NHL and now he's in this awkward place where he's probably too good for AHL, but they aren't willing to do the developing at the NHL level with him. Are the concerns with his skating a red flag for why he really won't reach his potential or does he just need a change with a team will have a better plan for his development.

On the surface, it kind of reminds me of the situation with Drouin in Tampa. Lets say we copy that deal and do a Dvorsky for Jiricek type deal, but Jiricek just becomes a defenseman version of Drouin. That's not ideal.

 

[Majorityof1]

No one is saying he gets all the credit, but he was absolutely one of the main drivers in getting to the playoffs, and then throughout the playoffs. In game 7, we very well might not win if he didn't weather the storm like he did. Once we got some goals, then we started controlling the play.

I have seen lots of posts that say Binnington is "the" reason we won the cup, or the main reason, or the biggest reason. Mainly when people are calling me a fake fan because I love the Blues and hate him. So I get a whole bunch of hyperbole thrown my way. Yes, some people argue he is pretty much the sole reason we won the cup, or at least that is how it comes across when people are telling me I am not a Blues fan because every Blues fan should provide Binnington with an alibi for killing small children if needed because he single handedly took the team to the cup and is the only thing keeping us from being relegated to the ECHL.

 

[Reality Czech]

It is overstated all the time. If by Cup run, you mean the playoffs, he had come down to earth a bit. He didn't have a historic playoffs. He wasn't as good in the playoffs as the regular season.

If you mean the whole worst to playoffs run, then he was hugely important. But so was Berube. So was Bortuzzo punching Sanford. So was the veteran leaders in the room. So was Gloria and everything behind that.

But since ROR, Petro, Berube, Gloria, are all gone, Binnington gets all the credit.

Lol there isn't a single Blues fans who gives Binner all the credit. What an absurd statement. But he deserves a lot of credit, no one can deny that. His rise from relative anonymity to Stanley Cup champion is one of the great stories in NHL history, and not sure why anyone would try to minimize that.

To be honest, if you "hate" Binner then I question how big of a Blues fan you really are. He'll always be an all-time Blues legend and if that bothers you then I find that amusing. The only ridiculous hyperbole in this discussion is coming from you.

 

[Majorityof1]

Lol there isn't a single Blues fans who gives Binner all the credit. What an absurd statement. But he deserves a lot of credit, no one can deny that. His rise from relative anonymity to Stanley Cup champion is one of the great stories in NHL history, and not sure why anyone would try to minimize that.

To be honest, if you "hate" Binner then I question how big of a Blues fan you really are. He'll always be an all-time Blues legend and if that bothers you then I find that amusing. The only ridiculous hyperbole in this discussion is coming from you.

Roflmao

Now why despite watching every second of every Blues game, despite traveling to St. Louis a dozen times over the past couple years specifically to watch the Blues, depsite posting almost 9k times mostly about the Blues, tell me why I am not a Blues fan?

You hate the Captain of the Blues Cup, and your hating him does not disqualify you. But I'm not a Blues fan because I dislike Binnington? Roflmao. Keep proving my point for me please.

 

[Mike Liut]

When I think of the Blues cup run, I think of these as key reasons…

1) Binner
2) the pairing of JBo and Parayko shutting down top lines
3) the physicality of Sunny, Barbs, Maroon, and Blais

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

It is overstated all the time. If by Cup run, you mean the playoffs, he had come down to earth a bit. He didn't have a historic playoffs. He wasn't as good in the playoffs as the regular season.

If you mean the whole worst to playoffs run, then he was hugely important. But so was Berube. So was Bortuzzo punching Sanford. So was the veteran leaders in the room. So was Gloria and everything behind that.

But since ROR, Petro, Berube, Gloria, are all gone, Binnington gets all the credit.

The run most definitely includes the entirety of charging back into playoff contention in the regular season. For me, that run started in a bar in Philadelphia.

I have seen lots of posts that say Binnington is "the" reason we won the cup, or the main reason, or the biggest reason. Mainly when people are calling me a fake fan because I love the Blues and hate him. So I get a whole bunch of hyperbole thrown my way. Yes, some people argue he is pretty much the sole reason we won the cup, or at least that is how it comes across when people are telling me I am not a Blues fan because every Blues fan should provide Binnington with an alibi for killing small children if needed because he single handedly took the team to the cup and is the only thing keeping us from being relegated to the ECHL.

This post reads like a voice over for images of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. You're either putting words into my mouth, or defending against things that no one here is remotely saying. If you had those kinds of exchanges, let it go. I don't think you have a debate opponent pushing the opposing view.

EDIT - OK, I guess I stand corrected to the extent that someone in this thread is questioning your fanhood. Weird.

I agree with the point that you are irrationally fixated (in my view) on Binnington's fairly minor bad moments, but you're allowed to have those opinions and still be a diehard Blues fan.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

When I think of the Blues cup run, I think of these as key reasons…

1) Binner
2) the pairing of JBo and Parayko shutting down top lines
3) the physicality of Sunny, Barbs, Maroon, and Blais

#3 the bottom-6 was a pita. Binny of course is #1.

If I were to pick one, I think Liut is my favorite Blues goalie. I was too young to appreciate Hall and Plante. Also, I really appreciated what Jon Casey did in the 1995-96 playoffs.

 

[Majorityof1]

The run most definitely includes the entirety of charging back into playoff contention in the regular season. For me, that run started in a bar in Philadelphia.


This post reads like a voice over for images of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. You're either putting words into my mouth, or defending against things that no one here is remotely saying. If you had those kinds of exchanges, let it go. I don't think you have a debate opponent pushing the opposing view.

EDIT - OK, I guess I stand corrected to the extent that someone in this thread is questioning your fanhood. Weird.

I agree with the point that you are irrationally fixated (in my view) on Binnington's fairly minor bad moments, but you're allowed to have those opinions and still be a diehard Blues fan.

I was not referring to you when talking about people questioning my fanhood or attributing our cup the majorly toward Binnington, just to be clear. But for many, he is a god who walks among men. My dislike allows me to actually be less biased than those people. I have just today said he was a major contributor to our coming back and making the playoffs our cup year, he is a good goalie who makes the team better, he has the ability to be elite, and he was absolute nails last year and out cup season. These are not things someone with a completely biased agenda would say.

As you said, I am entitled to my opinion on Binnington. I only state it as context when discussing Binnington as a player, to admit there may be potential bias, or when others bring it up. Its not me who is fixated. I cannot discuss the Blues goaltender on a Blues forum, because someone wields my dislike for him as a cudgel against my opinion. They cannot attack the opinion, because the numbers don't lie, so they attack me and my fandom..

 

[Reality Czech]

When I think of the Blues cup run, I think of these as key reasons…

1) Binner
2) the pairing of JBo and Parayko shutting down top lines
3) the physicality of Sunny, Barbs, Maroon, and Blais

I'd put our overall depth high on the list as well. You need to get scoring from 3 or 4 lines to have a chance, and I'd say we had the equivalent of 2 #1 lines and 2 #3 lines in that Cup run. Also having a "4th" line that you can match defensively against anyone was a huge plus. Also on defense, having a shutdown pair allowed Petro to get better matchups and not have to do everything himself.

So many reasons we won the Cup and I haven't seen a single person give all the credit to Binner as that one guy is saying.

The run most definitely includes the entirety of charging back into playoff contention in the regular season. For me, that run started in a bar in Philadelphia.


This post reads like a voice over for images of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. You're either putting words into my mouth, or defending against things that no one here is remotely saying. If you had those kinds of exchanges, let it go. I don't think you have a debate opponent pushing the opposing view.

EDIT - OK, I guess I stand corrected to the extent that someone in this thread is questioning your fanhood. Weird.

I agree with the point that you are irrationally fixated (in my view) on Binnington's fairly minor bad moments, but you're allowed to have those opinions and still be a diehard Blues fan.

I think the poster you're quoting just gets off on being contrarian. Every Blues fan doesn't have to worship Binnington but it's hard to imagine a diehard Blues fan "hating" Binnington. That would be like me saying I love the Beatles but I hate John Lennon. It doesn't make sense. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm also allowed to question fanhood when people take ridiculous points of view. Some people do nothing but rip the team, players, management and some even actively hope we lose at times. That doesn't really line up with my idea of what a fan of something does. But to each their own I guess.

 

[Memento]

I'll admit that I don't like Binnington's antics, and that colors my dislike of the player. I feel that they're immature and beneath him because he can be a very good goaltender without them. I also feel that while he was a reason for our 2019 Cup, he wasn't the only reason. I don't think he should have a statue unless he's a Hall of Famer for us, quite frankly.

I do feel that it's hypocritical that people were/are allowed to call Pietrangelo "Captain Creampuff" without getting their fandom attacked, while people can't criticize Binnington without doing the same.

 

[Dr Robot]

I'll admit that I don't like Binnington's antics, and that colors my dislike of the player. I feel that they're immature and beneath him because he can be a very good goaltender without them. I also feel that while he was a reason for our 2019 Cup, he wasn't the only reason. I don't think he should have a statue unless he's a Hall of Famer for us, quite frankly.

I do feel that it's hypocritical that people were/are allowed to call Pietrangelo "Captain Creampuff" without getting their fandom attacked, while people can't criticize Binnington without doing the same.

I think there was quite a bit of eye rolling at the creampuff stuff that people didn’t feel it was worth arguing over.

 

[PocketNines]

The whole point of watching hockey as opposed to tennis or golf is that it takes team synthesis to win anything. By definition you are involved in a sum of the parts activity, and to be deemed the best group at that activity, it tests how well the people in that group do what it takes to win. It's yes-and territory.

Some players are more important than others. The debate on Petro has been definitively settled, he was obviously the most critical player, he played the most minutes, he didn't need the crutch of Parayko or Bouwmeester as a partner to dominate, he just did it. Give him Colaiacovo, Edmundson, Gunnarsson, whomever. Look at how Alex Pietrangelo totally dominated Game 7. 18 of 20 Blues shots with him on the ice? Cup winning goal and assist in the first period? That seemed good. Good player. Might be able to do it again. Did do it again. The debate ended 18 months ago. Definitely no Blues Cup without Alex Pietrangelo, for certain.

 

[Mike Liut]

When I think of the Blues cup run, I think of these as key reasons…

1) Binner
2) the pairing of JBo and Parayko shutting down top lines
3) the physicality of Sunny, Barbs, Maroon, and Blais

4) Petro
5) ROR

 

[Majorityof1]

So many reasons we won the Cup and I haven't seen a single person give all the credit to Binner as that one guy is saying.

I think the poster you're quoting just gets off on being contrarian. Every Blues fan doesn't have to worship Binnington but it's hard to imagine a diehard Blues fan "hating" Binnington. That would be like me saying I love the Beatles but I hate John Lennon. It doesn't make sense. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm also allowed to question fanhood when people take ridiculous points of view. Some people do nothing but rip the team, players, management and some even actively hope we lose at times. That doesn't really line up with my idea of what a fan of something does. But to each their own I guess.

Why are you afraid to say my name? So weird. You don't have to imagine a Blues fan who likes the team but does not think Binnington is a good person, I am right here <wave>. For your Beetles analogy, what if you thought John Lennon was a jerk but a talented musician, couldn't you like the Beetles music but not him personally? What if there were 20 people in the band, and you hated one of them as a person but liked the rest and liked the music?

Am I contrarian? What is the contrarian answer? If I agree, I'm saying I am contrarian, but I am not being contrarian. If I disagree, I am being contrarian but saying I'm not. Hmmm, let's just say I like to think for myself and do not care what others think. I agree with people quite a lot. I've been swayed by good arguments before. But I don't just follow the herd.

Maybe I'll try to be a good little soldier of a fan. Is there a rulebook for being a Reality Czech approved fan I can follow? Do I get a sticker if I tow the line? I'd do it for a sticker. Maybe something like...

 

[BlueMed]

The whole point of watching hockey as opposed to tennis or golf is that it takes team synthesis to win anything. By definition you are involved in a sum of the parts activity, and to be deemed the best group at that activity, it tests how well the people in that group do what it takes to win. It's yes-and territory.

Some players are more important than others. The debate on Petro has been definitively settled, he was obviously the most critical player, he played the most minutes, he didn't need the crutch of Parayko or Bouwmeester as a partner to dominate, he just did it. Give him Colaiacovo, Edmundson, Gunnarsson, whomever. Look at how Alex Pietrangelo totally dominated Game 7. 18 of 20 Blues shots with him on the ice? Cup winning goal and assist in the first period? That seemed good. Good player. Might be able to do it again. Did do it again. The debate ended 18 months ago. Definitely no Blues Cup without Alex Pietrangelo, for certain.

It's even weirder on the main boards where some neutral fans place Shea Weber in a category above him.

When I think of the Blues cup run, I think of these as key reasons…

1) Binner
2) the pairing of JBo and Parayko shutting down top lines
3) the physicality of Sunny, Barbs, Maroon, and Blais

Can't forget ROR outclassing the opposition's number 1C including Bergeron as well as Tarasenko and Schwartz generating timely scoring.

 

[Mike Liut]

It's even weirder on the main boards where some neutral fans place Shea Weber in a category above him.


Can't forget ROR outclassing the opposition's number 1 C including Bergeron as well as Tarasenko and Schwartz generating timely scoring.

I added Petro and ROR and 4 and 5

 

[Spektre]

I was expecting all kinds of trade ideas when I saw the new posts….. ughh