Nikishin Go Boom
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GDT: 2023 Training Camp Thread.
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Yeah, I did a google search as well and saw what you saw. I just remembered Seguin and the Bruins, so I suspect the online source I saw was incomplete as well.
Edit: heck, I forgot about Andrew Ladd who was 19 to start the season and turned 20 during the season.
Robert Thomas was 19 as well for STL.
Edit 2: Jordan Staal was also 20 in Pitt when they won it in 09. Seems like a few guys that were 19 and turned 20 or 20 for the entire season. Leddy, Saad, Teravainen, etc...
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I'm torn. As much as I'd be hyped to see Svech return for the opening game, I'd also be pretty hyped if they gave him until after, say, the Western road trip and let FUS play in his place essentially. If Svech can't play right away, I'd much rather see like FUS, Suzuki, Pono, if healthy, than like Lemieux in the lineup right away.
@Lempo or other knowing-stuff folks...
is there a limit on the number of games a euro kid can play before you have to keep them? i know there was a number of games or days after which Jarvis couldn't go back to juniors and couldn't be assigned to the ahl), so just wondering. i doubt it and assume you can loan someone to a euro team any time, and at his age without waivers?
while i'm ignorant-asking, i assume if he plays a single game his elc will not slide?
is there a limit on the number of games a euro kid can play before you have to keep them? i know there was a number of games or days after which Jarvis couldn't go back to juniors and couldn't be assigned to the ahl), so just wondering. i doubt it and assume you can loan someone to a euro team any time, and at his age without waivers?
while i'm ignorant-asking, i assume if he plays a single game his elc will not slide?
Lempo
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I don't think I get the question as I am not aware of a game/days limit Jarvis might have had at some point.
We are talking about Unger-Sorum? The ELC slide is for 18-19 y.o. players who play less than 10 games in NHL. Guys who are older than that won't slide. Unger-Sorum at 18 will slide. I would guess he can be loaned back to Europe anytime, and am certain it would happen without waivers.
I believe a European prospect is under the same slide rules as an AHL prospect or an OHL/WHL prospect as long as they are 18 or 19 for the season.
<10 NHL games and the contract slides.
<10 NHL games and the contract slides.
Nikishin Go Boom
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They are. Kuok’s first year in Charlotte didn’t count against his contract
i think i was misunderstanding the 10 game slide limit in Jarvis' case. i remember distinct discussion at the time about him approaching that limit, and it meaning he made the big squad. i guess he could have still been sent back to junior after 10 games, but with an elc year burnt and it being obvious he was past the point where juniors would help his development (and ineligible for the ahl) it was more of a might as well keep him situation. fortunately he never crashed that year / made rod sit him.
Lempo
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Ah, that rings a bell. Yes, we indeed were counting the games when he was getting close to ten, and then past it.
The thing is, the fans are much more anxious about the ELC slide than the organizations, who don't seem to consider it a biggy if they have to sign the RFA contract year earlier. They may even think that they can get the player with lesser AAV if they sign him earlier.
The organizations care more about whether or not a player gets past the 40 NHL games mark in a season which means an accrued season for the purposes of qualifying for UFA status. The best players who start in NHL at 18 and stay for good will have their 7 needed accrued seasons at 25. The organisations would like to keep those who are a tier below that as RFAs a little longer.
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It's down to us and Edmonton for the top 2 spots.
6. Colorado
5. Toronto
4. NYR
3. Dallas
I can't seem to figure out how the Rags are so high; I think they should be at most #8 behind Vegas and NJ.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Yea rags were among my curious ratings. I understand Edmonton has world level offensive players but their goalie situation is among the bottom of the league. Im still not sold on their defense either. The offense is very sexy though
AhosDatsyukian
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Anton Dubinchuk
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3rd best defense group, 3rd best goaltending situation.
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Daeavorn
livin' that no caps life
They have 1 elite defensemen whom they rely on way too much. 3rd best?
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Unable to play in the AHL anyway as he wasn't selected in the first round.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Anton Dubinchuk
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I’m not the person who did the analytics, just the messenger. It takes the whole group into account. Fox, Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, Gustafsson, Schneider. It’s a good group. Don’t compare it to ours in your head, we will be #1 by a mile despite not having the Fox-level player. I’m trying to think of the better groups that would push them farther down the list…
Out of curiosity, who would you put in front of them? We are presumably #1, and Colorado is #2. Not just a matter of “on a good day I like xyz team better”, anyone that’s so glaring a miss that actually deserves a comment about it?
Not my ranking, but the Athletic puts both Boston's and Vegas's defensive cores ahead of the Rangers.
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Nikishin Go Boom
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it really isnt. The only age eligibility rule is they turn 18 by September 15th to be eligible.
now if you are referring to the NHL-SHA transfer agreement, it says that the team and SHL team shall consult on the under 24 years of age player developing in the AHL versus the SHL as the NHL player owns the rights to the player. SHL team can waive the agreement.
Also, I believe that only applies to players not under NHL contract. Once players are contracted by the NHL team, they can loan them back to the their SHL team but, it isnt required.
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Can you please clarity/cite a source?
Generally (there is an exception) NA prospects have to be at least 20 to play in the AHL. However, all the articles I've read re: Euro drafted players is that they can immediately play in the AHL (save KHL contracts).
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Every NHL team’s defense ranked from best to worst
Which NHL teams are positioned for success on the blue line heading into the 2023-24 season?
theathletic.com
Ranking goes:
Tier 1
1. Carolina
2. Colorado
3. Vegas
4. Boston
Tier 2
5. Calgary
6. NYR
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Anton Dubinchuk
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Every NHL team’s defense ranked from best to worst
Which NHL teams are positioned for success on the blue line heading into the 2023-24 season?
Ranking goes:
Tier 1
1. Carolina
2. Colorado
3. Vegas
4. Boston
Tier 2
5. Calgary
5. NYR
Different author than the piece in question…
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