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Post in thread '2022 Switzerland roster talk' WJC: - 2022 Switzerland roster talk
Posted a first roster suggestion in the old thread. We'll see how it plays out.
Sadly, so far no pro hockey for Bernasconi and Riesen this season. At least Riesen was loaned to Winterthur who's unhappy with their goaltending. So I hope Riesen is gonna get a shot and run with it. Sadly, nothing doing for Bernasconi. I hope they both get to play...because this U20 team won't go anywhere with Pasche.
Not his greatest fan but Beglieri could be an option as well. Won all three games with OHL Mississauga and they lost the only game he didn't start. If he can keep it up he has to be ahead of Pasche.
Posted a first roster suggestion in the old thread. We'll see how it plays out.
Sadly, so far no pro hockey for Bernasconi and Riesen this season. At least Riesen was loaned to Winterthur who's unhappy with their goaltending. So I hope Riesen is gonna get a shot and run with it. Sadly, nothing doing for Bernasconi. I hope they both get to play...because this U20 team won't go anywhere with Pasche.
Not his greatest fan but Beglieri could be an option as well. Won all three games with OHL Mississauga and they lost the only game he didn't start. If he can keep it up he has to be ahead of Pasche.
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I haven't seen Beglieri play in a while but he is certainly a player to keep in mind if he can keep up his play in the CHL. If he can hang there long term he should be good enough for the national team as well. I certainly hope that we wont have to rely on Pasche even though I am not quite as low on him as Hinterland.
D looks suspect too though at this point, especially if Bichsel wont return to the team. Besides him only Sidler seems like an all around solid player and thankfully he has now managed the jump to pro hockey. Zanetti is underwhelming for a draft pick while Dionicio has talent in some areas but is unreliable defensively and skates like molasses. Then you have guys like Meile and Terraneo, Füllmann, Streule etc. who all range from ok to below average and won't be able to make much of a difference at this level.
On F we should just build around Biasca, Taibel and Canonica and load the other spots with veteran 03 players. Maybe Mattheo Reinhard who seems to have made a developmental jump this offseason could be an interesting option too. He is a versatile player that could play on the PK and he has made his first appearances in the NL recently. The once promising Greuter seems to be regressing further and shouldn't be considered for multiple reasons. From the 05's nobody seems to be ready at this point. The Meier Twins and Braillard are probably the closest but they lack pro experience. Gruber hasn't had a good start in the OHL stat wise, but he has been burried in the bottom six in his team. Personally I wouldnt select him unless he finds his groove in the next few months. Finally there were some rumors on this site that Tommaso De Luca wants to apply for a Swiss passport. He would be an intriguing player of course but with him playing abroad now its unlikely that he could suit up this year already.
Fortunately Germanys golden years are now officially over at the U20 level and Slovakia might miss out on Nemec and Slafkovsky if we are lucky. Latvia doesn't strike me as particularly strong either and Belarus will still be banned from participating. So I am not overly pessimistic when it comes to relegation but there is certainly not much margin of error with our talent level. Unfortunately we will have to factor in coaching and roster selection as particular disadvantages too, as usual.
D looks suspect too though at this point, especially if Bichsel wont return to the team. Besides him only Sidler seems like an all around solid player and thankfully he has now managed the jump to pro hockey. Zanetti is underwhelming for a draft pick while Dionicio has talent in some areas but is unreliable defensively and skates like molasses. Then you have guys like Meile and Terraneo, Füllmann, Streule etc. who all range from ok to below average and won't be able to make much of a difference at this level.
On F we should just build around Biasca, Taibel and Canonica and load the other spots with veteran 03 players. Maybe Mattheo Reinhard who seems to have made a developmental jump this offseason could be an interesting option too. He is a versatile player that could play on the PK and he has made his first appearances in the NL recently. The once promising Greuter seems to be regressing further and shouldn't be considered for multiple reasons. From the 05's nobody seems to be ready at this point. The Meier Twins and Braillard are probably the closest but they lack pro experience. Gruber hasn't had a good start in the OHL stat wise, but he has been burried in the bottom six in his team. Personally I wouldnt select him unless he finds his groove in the next few months. Finally there were some rumors on this site that Tommaso De Luca wants to apply for a Swiss passport. He would be an intriguing player of course but with him playing abroad now its unlikely that he could suit up this year already.
Fortunately Germanys golden years are now officially over at the U20 level and Slovakia might miss out on Nemec and Slafkovsky if we are lucky. Latvia doesn't strike me as particularly strong either and Belarus will still be banned from participating. So I am not overly pessimistic when it comes to relegation but there is certainly not much margin of error with our talent level. Unfortunately we will have to factor in coaching and roster selection as particular disadvantages too, as usual.
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I don't think you can be low enough on Pasche. He's just too small and his technique and positioning are beyond brutal as well. I'll admit he tends to make way more saves than expected because he's a great athlete and seems to have a rather short memory for a young goalie. I think I rarely saw him completely rattled even after giving up horrible goals. However, the thing with goalies like Pasche is that it affects the defense as well. You just never know what you gonna get, wtf he's gonna do. That guy must scare the living shit out of the defenders playing in front of him. Imagine seeing your goalie losing his net every other time you look over your shoulder. I don't know. I'm sick and tired of that guy just watching from home. Coaching the guy would make my hair turn grey in no time and playing in front of him would make me shit my pants.
I agree defense could be a problem if Bichsel doesn't play. Some of the guys I listed aren't playing pro hockey or Swedish/Canadian junior hockey as I hoped and I'd rather not dress any guys playing at a lower level. Upfront however, depth shouldn't be a problem. I'm a little bit worried because Lilian Garessus has yet to play a game this season. Surely the best forward besides Biasca and Taibel. I expected him to log big minutes for Ajoie this season but coming back from injury this could be tough. I'm also curious how Marchon is gonna do with Sherbrooke.
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best roster i can come up with:
Beglieri
Pasche
Croce
Terraneo-sidler
Streule-zanetti
Dionico-Meile
Füllemann
Truog-Henry-biasca
Alge-Canonica-Baechler
muggli-taibel-perrenoud
Weber-Reinhard-Ramel
Garessus
Lines are in no particular order but i have tried some combinations however i would prefer a taller forward since many of those players are fairly small especially Reinhard Weber Truog but i think a fast good skating team could be a weapon. Of course if bichsel can play he‘s undoubtedly on the first line with sidler i feel like those two fit well since one is tall and strong and sidler‘s small. The federation really needs to work out their way with bichsel…
Beglieri
Pasche
Croce
Terraneo-sidler
Streule-zanetti
Dionico-Meile
Füllemann
Truog-Henry-biasca
Alge-Canonica-Baechler
muggli-taibel-perrenoud
Weber-Reinhard-Ramel
Garessus
Lines are in no particular order but i have tried some combinations however i would prefer a taller forward since many of those players are fairly small especially Reinhard Weber Truog but i think a fast good skating team could be a weapon. Of course if bichsel can play he‘s undoubtedly on the first line with sidler i feel like those two fit well since one is tall and strong and sidler‘s small. The federation really needs to work out their way with bichsel…
Those forward lines look rough. Some key players like Taibel, Marchon and Canonica have stagnated since last year again. Isn't Garessus still hurt too? While I like Ramels skill such undersized players usually have it hard at the WJC. Its not like he has a "Martschini level" toolset either. All in all its hard to justify keeping him of the roster though with his play in the SL. Defense looks a bit more solid despite the absence of Bichsel and goaltending is a crapshot again like usual. I'd say we are super lucky that Belarus is not part of the top group anymore. The game vs Latvia will be extremely important. I am not confident that this group could handle a relegation scenario against Germany or Austria. Maybe going down a level could actually be a wakeup call for the clubs/federation and get some reforms going for the junior programm. But maybe thats just wishfull thinking.
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Goaltending is the biggest problem. Pasche sucks but Riesen has yet to play for Winterthur, all other local goalies, like for example Bernasconi, are stuck in the U20 teams as well. Metzger seems to struggle in the ChL and Beglieri has cooled off as well. At this point whoever you pick to patrol the net is unlikely to provide solid goaltending.
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Bichsel will be playing in the wjc this year this is a huge upgrade to this team and i am glad he and swiss ice hockey worked their way
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I agree with you. As i said in the post before there are many smallish players on this roster. And yes garessus is hurt at the moment he hasn’t played a game yet..
Puh, didn‘ expect that. Hats off to Bichsel for handling that professionally.
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Dunno. Why no Marchon? Also sucks that Garessus is injured. Would have been very important for this team. Otherwise that roster looks very solid but is lacking double underagers which isn't a good sign for the years to come. Also, all three goalies suck. Bernasconi and Riesen would have been wildcards as well but still more likely to provide some kind of solid goaltending than the three they selected. I hope they ride Beglieri but even in him I have very little trust.
Pretty much as expected with Bichsel as a positive surprise. Marchon apparently has a terrible season in the Q but I liked his international play in the past better than that of some of the roster players like Reichle for example. At the end of the day the forward group would still look terrible even in the best case scenario with Garessus being healthy. This team just looks lightyears away from the "good old days" of around 2010-2019. And as you said its probably getting worse in the future. The 2005-2007 birth years look very bleak with not one surefire NHL or outstanding NLA prospect on the horizon. In contrast the 96 class alone included Meier, Fiala, Suter and Rod. Times are though...
And the worst thing about it: No-one seems to worry or ready to do something against it.
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Switzerland has 2 drafted forwards (6th & 7th rounder) in birth years 2000-2004 and 2005 likely won't change the statitics. It's getting REAL alarming
Even if I start sounding like a broken record on this forum: In the end just nobody cares about junior hockey in Switzerland. Most of the Clubs are fine as long as they can keep contending by buying the best available players in the domestic and foreign player markets. The federation officals voice their concern about this development but are either unwilling or unable to do anything against it themselves. On top of that their roster selcection and communication with some of their players has been questionable to say the least. The fans and media don't care whatsoever as long as the senior team is compeditive at the WC. But if this continues we might have to suit up for a long time of regression at the senior level as well, even if it might take years to materialize. What concerns me the most is the insane number of prospects stagnating or even straight up busting lately. For example: Last year the 2006 birth year looked pretty promising in international games. At the beginning of this season they looked a bit weaker than expected but were still able to compete with the Czechs and even a weaker US team. Now half the season is gone and almost every player has the same or often even worse stats in their respective junior league than last year. Now sure stats are not everything but at this age you expect a huge jump in that regard from most players if they don't get promoted to a higher league. And thats basically the age group that was supposed to fill in the ranks for the weak 2005 birth year at the next U18 WJC. Then you have guys like Kimo Gruber or Noah Greuter who put up better junior numbers than Timo Meier at the same age. While this doesnt mean they ever had comparable talent to Meier it is very concerning to see those guys trending towards not even having a pro career at all. Again it might be a harsh thing to say but maybe it would actually be better to be relegated at both the U20 and U18 level if that could serve as somewhat of a wake up call. But the sad thing is probably even that would not be enough for the people in charge to start doing something.
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Similar to czechs around 2005... We did get relegated and it still did not affect any meaningful change.
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Are you sure he has really obtained Swiss citizenship? I don't think he can still apply as he is living in the USA now.
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He had applied - not sure if he got it, however.
I'd assume he would have been named to the Swiss WJC had he obtained citizenship.
I'm not sure how citizenship works so can't really comment with any reliability about that.
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You have to live a total of 10 years and 3 of the last 5 years in Switzerland to be eligible. That's of course unless at least one of your parents is Swiss as it was for Brennan Othmann who never lived in Switzerland prior to playing for Olten. DeLuca has yet to turn 18 so I assume somebody in his family is doing the paperwork for him and it doesn't matter where he's currently based. However, if none of his parents are Swiss he's most likely not eligible for the fast tracked application and has to go the ordinary way. Which is why it's likely gonna take him much longer than Othmann to get Swiss citizenship.
AFAIK years you live in Switzerland under the age of 18 count the double amount, so it would be 6 years. But there are some other rules like living in the same community, etc. Impossible to tell if he has a chance if you don't know the case.
According with eliteprospects he spent six season playing in various Swiss junior leagues, but this does not mean he has been a permanent resident of Switzerland for so that long. 2016-17 he played only three games.
UPDATE: I found an interview in Italian where he said he moved with his family to Switzerland in 2017. So he has five years.
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The lack of NL experience on this team is fatal something really has to change. There is only one player(Dario Sidler) who is a NL regular with somewhat ice time. There really needs to be a change in the NL…
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That's something I have noticed as well in general in the NL. Very very few U20 players in the league. Are the junior players not good enough or are they not given the chance with the pro team? Now, NL is a league with very good imports and lots of $$$ being thrown around.
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Mainly not given a chance but of course we don’t have the quality of sweden or finland where almost every team has u20 players in their key. But often, when the players are given a chance they make huge jumps sometimes even in the mid 20s(willy riedi) or earlier (joshua fahrni last year). In my opinion if more players would get chances there would be more nhl drafts. With 6 imports the team can’t really let young players play since there are many great seiss pros already benching so there’s no room for young players. Example Reto suri played as 13 attacker…
