Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season VII - White Sox clean out the front office
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BostonBob
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What a season for the Mets. 
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DKH
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I watched the team from 1967-2003 and they never won. They came incredibly close several times including 1986 which was the worst feeling and basically made you think will never happen. But I like millions others watched over those years and not once did I ever hear it’s a waste of time
This new premise of win or you are a loser and the season is a waste of time is the new generation
I joined HF by accident trying to find out about Nick Boynton. There might have been 20 members here to start - we had an occasional day not one post. My kids were in middle school and still home because I used to hop on HF with my daughter in the play pen next to me
After 2011 this place tripled or more and civility went out the window - and you win or you choke or are losers
They went over this about the Red Sox yesterday on weei post game how weird it was that people claiming to be fans actually want them to lose / and root against Sox players to fail because they don’t like the signing or player
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DKH
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The Yankees are a mess
Tampa got bad juju and don’t have cash to overcome - Franco situation could sink them
Orioles ownership notorious for treating players and staff bad and they ate sitting at 70 M payroll let’s see if they pay these guys - their highest paid player is being paid by Mets
Toronto best players once FA hits are flight risks
Sox Farm rated 3 or 4 and getting healthy - corners of z Devers & Casas one of best if not best young duo in game
Next 13 games pivotal
Tampa got bad juju and don’t have cash to overcome - Franco situation could sink them
Orioles ownership notorious for treating players and staff bad and they ate sitting at 70 M payroll let’s see if they pay these guys - their highest paid player is being paid by Mets
Toronto best players once FA hits are flight risks
Sox Farm rated 3 or 4 and getting healthy - corners of z Devers & Casas one of best if not best young duo in game
Next 13 games pivotal
You realize this fan base was far more "toxic" pre 2004, right? That was a time where fans were truly invested on a day to day basis and every game was life and death. That is nowhere near the case today. The fan base has gotten extremely soft, either through lack of interest in the sport and/or the fact the Red Sox have won numerous titles since then. I think you're taking an extreme that fans are saying WS or bust. I haven't seen that sentiment at all. It's more just expecting a better product four years into a GMs tenure. And an expectation that ownership will spend more in line with having the most expensive gameday experience in baseball. Anyway, I don't consider this season a waste of time. Seasons like the COVID year? That was 100% a waste of anybody's time (Red Sox anyway). If the Sox are ever truly terrible then yes I think it's a waste of time. That's different from saying any non WS winning season is a waste of time.
20 board members in the Nick Boynton era? I think you are misremembering
As for rooting against the Red Sox or individual players I only do that to a-hole players/teams. This team does not fall into that category. Trevor Story does not fall into that category. But there have been certain Red Sox teams that have been very difficult to root for and certain players as well. Looking back, Manny Ramirez was a tier 1 a-hole (use Google if anyone tried to dispute this), David Price was a bully/a-hole, etc. When I am critical of Story it has nothing to do with him. It's directed at the GM of the team. And being critical of the GM should always be fair game here.
Temporary corners. One of these guys needs to shift to DH next year. Or they can share DH duties so that they are both not in the field at the same time together.
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quietbruinfan
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I can buy that as a legit criticism of him. That's fair. I just don't put him in a category of player I would actively root against.
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In hindsight I’m agreeing with you on Sox pre 2004 being more toxicYou realize this fan base was far more "toxic" pre 2004, right? That was a time where fans were truly invested on a day to day basis and every game was life and death. That is nowhere near the case today. The fan base has gotten extremely soft, either through lack of interest in the sport and/or the fact the Red Sox have won numerous titles since then. I think you're taking an extreme that fans are saying WS or bust. I haven't seen that sentiment at all. It's more just expecting a better product four years into a GMs tenure. And an expectation that ownership will spend more in line with having the most expensive gameday experience in baseball. Anyway, I don't consider this season a waste of time. Seasons like the COVID year? That was 100% a waste of anybody's time (Red Sox anyway). If the Sox are ever truly terrible then yes I think it's a waste of time. That's different from saying any non WS winning season is a waste of time.
20 board members in the Nick Boynton era? I think you are misremembering
As for rooting against the Red Sox or individual players I only do that to a-hole players/teams. This team does not fall into that category. Trevor Story does not fall into that category. But there have been certain Red Sox teams that have been very difficult to root for and certain players as well. Looking back, Manny Ramirez was a tier 1 a-hole (use Google if anyone tried to dispute this), David Price was a bully/a-hole, etc. When I am critical of Story it has nothing to do with him. It's directed at the GM of the team. And being critical of the GM should always be fair game here.
Temporary corners. One of these guys needs to shift to DH next year. Or they can share DH duties so that they are both not in the field at the same time together.
I didn’t have iPhone then was barely using internet and clearly wasn’t on social media
My recollection was Andelmen, Ordway, Guy Manella, Cliff & Claff and they were inciting and receiving toxic calls
As for Devers & Casas no way they are full time DH
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Probably in time but as maddening as he can be during the mlb top 10 third baseman they trotted out all these metrics his defense was Actually not bad
I was surprised going by naked eye but these stat guys had the info
He seems to lose focus and last 2 weeks his bone head plays cost them in 2 games
He’s certainly better than Butch Hobson
I think he has ability to be average which is good enough
I haven't rooted against the players on the team of the Red Sox in a long time. I root against the front office and the owners. Take some pain now so that they admit they are wrong and build for a better tomorrow. The Chaim Bloom regime isn't working for this team. As much as people want to blame Cora, he's not the one at fault. He has to work with what his boss gives him and when that's nothing, most likely to get the owners to fire Cora and replace him with Chaim's choice, what's he supposed to do? How anyone can continue to see this no talent stiff as some sort of mid 2010s whiz kid who has all the answers when he's produced one winning season with his GM moves is astounding. Mike Milbury arguably had a better GM track record with the Islanders than Bloom has had with the Red Sox.
How's that Mookie Betts fella doing by the way?
Some trade there Chaim...but hey at least you didn't get saddled with that Brusdar Graterol guy...he ended up becoming a massive...piece to...the Dodgers' recent success. You know I'm starting to think that this Chaim Bloom fella isn't really cut out to run a baseball team.
BruinsFanSince94
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This post….sucks….. a lot of ass. You blatantly ignore the Price contract being included in this trade, the fact that Mookie and his season of control brought down his own value and how Bloom still got two good MLB players in the deal.
Every GM in history has bad trades. Did they lose the deal? Of course. You don’t trade an MLB HOFer and not lose. Did he do as bad as you make it seem? Not even close, but you need to be able to take into account more than DURRRR HE TWADED MOOKEY!!! It’s funny you think you did something here but yet again, another brutal post.
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FFS, Mookie's contract only ran through 2020 and he was a UFA who clearly and obviously didn't want to be in Boston long term (despite the PR statements he periodically releases). For one 60-game season of Mookie they got a competent right fielder and an okay catcher. Jeter Downs busted, it is what it is, but he was well regarded at the time.
Why do people keep peddling Mookie myths? Any trade was for 60 games of Mookie, that's it. That's why the value was lower than if they traded him with an affordable 7 year contract. He was headed for free agency and only extended with the Dodgers because his agent panicked during the pandemic and wanted to lock in a long-term deal on the spot.
KrejciMVP
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Gee I wonder what drove him away from Boston. Certainly couldn't have been management lowballing him at every turn and taking him to arbitration. No...absolutely not. :^) Verdugo's an above average player, but not even close to being worth replacing Mookie Betts. The jury is still out on Connor Wong. Even then, your boy traded a bonafide superstar for three magic beans with one of them only providing any sort of substantial return so the Sox could dump Price's contract. Great return.
If it was for "60 games of Mookie" then why is he still a top offensive option on the Dodgers? Why is he still playing at an all star level while Verdugo hasn't been able to match him once in production? Why is it that Betts is still a major contributor to a top team while the Red Sox are treading water with a player that's not been able to fill the void? Stop lying to yourself with the "60 games of Mookie" crap. The Sox could've had the deal done years before but kept taking him to arbitration every single time rather than pay Betts what he's worth, because Tom Werner is a cheap piece of shit owner whose contributing to this team's demise while John Henry is absent minded when it comes to his baseball team.
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KrejciMVP
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well his post makes more sense than this PR piece that John Henry could have written
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EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
Because they signed him to a massive contract extension that took him well past his last remaining contractual season, which was greatly shortened because of COVID.
Hope this helps!
DKH
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You are in Tampa what is the spin on Wander today
As for Betts
Merloni said they offered him 10 yrs max and 300M
He would know more then us
Bloom took job knowing he had to deal him
Personally I have one Sox jersey - Betts
I raised 2 kids
There is a limit- parenting quickest way to learn
I would not give any player more then 10 years including Babe Ruth, Ilya Kovalchuk or Tom Brady
Betts wanted 13
No way
KrejciMVP
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I don't listen to much Rays radio but I think people are in shock. All that talent and money they handed him and this is what he does? I think they cut him right away if true
Betts deal is a bargain now, the contracts will keep going up. I hope everyday Henry and his multiple sports team leave boston to a owner who cares about winning. Can't stand even watching him speak anymore
Well except that he signed long term with the Dodgers. I would think you could forecast that and demand more from the Dodgers. Or shop him to other places he would end up staying long term. I think it's fair to conclude that they should have gotten a better return. The competent RF won't be on this team much longer.
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Love Betts and Bogearts but they don’t get deals from me they got
Betts 10/300 final offer
Bogearts 5/135 final offer
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