Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season VI: Hunt for the Wild Card is on
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Donnie Shulzhoffer
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That is for the entire MLB, not Fenway.
Attendance is up for all teams this year except for the Washington Nationals, San Francisco Giants, the Detroit Tigers and the Red Sox who have gone down.
A bit better attendance on average than last year.
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BruinsFanSince94
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Not sure where you’re getting your info from but per ESPN, the Red Sox are averaging more this year than last.
KrejciMVP
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lol what run, they are 4 out of the last wild card, talk to me about an actual playoff team
I'll never accept mediocrity from this organization the way you do. You miss the playoffs you find someone that will make them. You'll give Bloom all the credit when they win and then deflect to players and coach when they lose
Someone who needs a lefty outfielder for the postseason. And, I’m not talking front of the rotation.
Smitty93
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People realize the whole point of hiring Bloom was to put an end to the year-over-year inconsistency the team has had since Theo left, right?
You do that by building a sustainable foundation that doesn't rely on getting lucky with free agents. They're right on the cusp of having that. Quality youth at the MLB level. A farm system with talent spread across each level. Payroll flexibility.
This was never going to be a 1, 2, or 3 year fix. Fine, fire Bloom, and we get to start this whole process over again with someone new.
Everyone is welcome to having their own expectations as fans. Some are more focused on a little more instant gratification, expecting to compete for a championship every year, others, like myself, look a little more long-term and focus on whether the team seems to be moving forward on a path to contention.
Am I completely satisfied with Bloom's tenure? Of course not. But I see someone who's done what I expected him to do and has an organizational plan that I agree with. As long as that continues, I'm not taking a chance on the possibility the next guy is worse.
You do that by building a sustainable foundation that doesn't rely on getting lucky with free agents. They're right on the cusp of having that. Quality youth at the MLB level. A farm system with talent spread across each level. Payroll flexibility.
This was never going to be a 1, 2, or 3 year fix. Fine, fire Bloom, and we get to start this whole process over again with someone new.
Everyone is welcome to having their own expectations as fans. Some are more focused on a little more instant gratification, expecting to compete for a championship every year, others, like myself, look a little more long-term and focus on whether the team seems to be moving forward on a path to contention.
Am I completely satisfied with Bloom's tenure? Of course not. But I see someone who's done what I expected him to do and has an organizational plan that I agree with. As long as that continues, I'm not taking a chance on the possibility the next guy is worse.
BruinsFanSince94
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Are you deliberately obtuse? Your OP was how you want the Sox to sell the farm for Ohtani and then sign him to a (I think you said) 400M dollar contract.
I am here telling you that the Angels are not selling Ohtani. I am giving you reasons why they're not selling Ohtani. I don't care about LAA's position. I think it's hilarious what they're doing since YES, they are not overly close to a playoff spot, but buying like they are. I'm not arguing about the LAA's position. I'm arguing that they're not going to sell off their best player
I don't accept mediocrity. I just have patience with the direction the team is going. I give Bloom credit and blame when necessary. I do the same with coaches and players. You just see what you want.
McGarnagle
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Good post. The point was organizational stability, and I think that from a big picture perspective we're headed in that direction and have great building blocks toward the future. But like you I do think that he's been far from perfect in building the major league roster and they could've performed better the last couple years than they have.
You could even look at it like the 2021 ALCS run was the worst thing that could happen to Bloom because it set unrealistic expectations for the following years.
I like how our farm system is coming along. I like it a lot compared to the Dombrowski years. But I think the major league scouting has needed some help. They got lucky with Paxton (after like 15 months of patience), but most of the pitchers he's brought in the last couple years have disappointed and there have always been gaps on the roster. But I give him some rope because I think things are overall pointed in the right direction.
BigBadBruins7708
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They're still the Boston Red Sox and not Tampa Bay, you can do both at the same time here. There's no valid reason why they haven't spent the money to put out a winning product while also stocking the farm system, it isn't an A-B choice like with small market teams. Sorry not sorry, the Red Sox should never be perennial basement dwellers.
That's what pisses fans off, the billionaire ownership group with the 3rd highest league revenue and team value running around like the little sisters of the poor and not investing in winning.
Even if LAA was 50 games out of first place with zero hope for the playoffs they still wouldn't trade Ohtani. He is a once in a century player, one you build around.
RockLobster
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I'm not wholly ready to write off Bloom yet, among some of the reasons would be what @Smitty93 laid out in his post.
My question, as a Red Sox fan living in Kansas would be this--how much of the desire to oust him (from those who have it) come from how they followed up 2021's run to the ALCS?
He was hired in 10/2019, we know the 2020 season was shortened by COVID on top of them finishing last in the AL East. It was a bad year, but also the first year with him at the helm and I think the majority of fans--whether you like what Bloom has done or not--recognize this unspoken belief to be fact: one of the things he was told he had to do when getting the job was trade Mookie Betts. He was always going to be giving up the best player in that deal.
2021 comes along and maybe we all think we're further along than we were? Hindsight says we weren't. We traded our homegrown star, our supposed ace has been, seemingly, banished to forever live on the IL, and our roster is just horrendously unbalanced.
I don't give a good god damn whether it's Chaim Bloom or anyone else in that seat, the problems will remain until ownership decides they don't want to be cheapskates. Now, *hopefully* we begin to see the fruits of what they've been building the last couple of years this offseason (regardless of what happens between now and the end of this season). They have a decent stockpile of young talent that they can parlay in to MLB help.
All this to say that...I am good giving Chaim this offseason to see what he does. They're in the race right now, which is better than I'd say they were at this point last year (as in they have a better shot imo). Whether or not they make it, I am real curious to see what they do in the offseason. To me, that's the make-or-break for Bloom.
My question, as a Red Sox fan living in Kansas would be this--how much of the desire to oust him (from those who have it) come from how they followed up 2021's run to the ALCS?
He was hired in 10/2019, we know the 2020 season was shortened by COVID on top of them finishing last in the AL East. It was a bad year, but also the first year with him at the helm and I think the majority of fans--whether you like what Bloom has done or not--recognize this unspoken belief to be fact: one of the things he was told he had to do when getting the job was trade Mookie Betts. He was always going to be giving up the best player in that deal.
2021 comes along and maybe we all think we're further along than we were? Hindsight says we weren't. We traded our homegrown star, our supposed ace has been, seemingly, banished to forever live on the IL, and our roster is just horrendously unbalanced.
I don't give a good god damn whether it's Chaim Bloom or anyone else in that seat, the problems will remain until ownership decides they don't want to be cheapskates. Now, *hopefully* we begin to see the fruits of what they've been building the last couple of years this offseason (regardless of what happens between now and the end of this season). They have a decent stockpile of young talent that they can parlay in to MLB help.
All this to say that...I am good giving Chaim this offseason to see what he does. They're in the race right now, which is better than I'd say they were at this point last year (as in they have a better shot imo). Whether or not they make it, I am real curious to see what they do in the offseason. To me, that's the make-or-break for Bloom.
Smitty93
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I just don't know how we can say this when they've had a top 5 payroll 3 of Bloom's 4 years. Are there signings I wish they had made? Sure, that's why I said I'm not completely satisfied with Bloom. I wanted Correa. In retrospect, I wish they had brought back Eovaldi, but it didn't really bother me at the time.
I'm fine with not spending like a top 5 team in the short-term if it means not handicapping themselves with big money, long-term deals in the future. The type of deals that have killed them in the past.
If there's anything when it comes to spending that we should be complaining about, it's extending their own players. They should be copying the Braves, who have absolutely crushed it there. Casas and Bello should have been locked up last offseason. It shouldn't have taken nearly as long to sign Devers as it did. To me, that sticks with Bloom's greatest weakness so far, which is that he's not definitive enough. There's too much hedging of bets. He needs to be willing to gamble more than he has. I'm glad he's not like Dombrowski, but that was probably Dombrowski's most admirable trait.
BigBadBruins7708
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You hit on another issue.
Even if Chaim's plan works like he wants it to, they better win it all fast before the latest batch of homegrown stars leave town when Henry refuses to pay them market value
quietbruinfan
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His plan will not work. The way things are constructed, it will have to be a total rebuild. That re-starts every three years. I was a big Duquette fan .....with a bias, but Bloom reminds me of late-era bad Dan in many ways, none of them good.
KrejciMVP
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the younger players have put in a big effort to get them back in the hunt. A real GM would get them help at the deadline. The Angels are going for it Im told and the Sox aren't going to try? No need to squander a playoff opportunity
quietbruinfan
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Civale is a Ray for a top prospect. I do not care for Civale, and think the Rays lost this one.
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GatorMike
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This is not entirely accurate.
CBT repeater penalties target a team's draft position and bonus pools they can use to sign both draft picks and international free agents.
For example, one of the penalties the Red Sox incurred as a result of being over the CBT last year was their compensatory picks for losing Bogaerts and Eovaldi came after the 3rd round of this year's draft instead of after the 1st round.
Bloom has said repeatedly that nearly every big free agent contract is signed with the knowledge that it's going to be painful at the end. If the goal is to build a sustainable winner, you want as few of those painful contracts on the books as you can get.
I'm pretty certain that the next phase of the plan is getting guys like Bello, Casas, and Duran under long-term contracts well before they become free agents, as teams like Atlanta and Seattle have done recently.
McGarnagle
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I don't look at it in any designated period of time other than there should never be a season where they are like 14th in payroll with the most expensive gameday experience. That just ain't right.
And what exactly has been consistent in Bloom's tenure? It's entirely reasonable to expect a better product by year 4 of any GMs tenure here. The big league team is in basically the same exact spot as last year. You don't just get to measure progress based on prospects/Casas breaking through. You need to win games too. People like you have given him too much rope like he's the GM of the Reds, Pirates, A's etc. I sure as hell hope you don't pay to go to Fenway Park while also being completely fine with a mid tier payroll either. You're content with mediocrity. John Henry loves you.
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Lugo and Crawford too. they know how to mess with boston
Lugo and Crawford too. they know how to mess with boston
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