2023 NHL Entry Draft

[DramaticGloveSave]

He’s worse at 20 than Reinbacher is at 17/18. Say Reinbacher is available at 8 and a team wants a defenceman, what do you think the response would be if the Habs offered Mailloux for that pick?

Reinbacher is better in every way minus shot.

I’m giving you my opinion. You are talking consensus. Mailloux is bigger, more skilled, more vision, just the better offensive toolkit.

I do think Reinbacher will be a good player, but he’s more a Guhle type- great two way horse.

 

[le_sean]

I’m giving you my opinion. You are talking consensus. Mailloux is bigger, more skilled, more vision, just the better offensive toolkit.

I do think Reinbacher will be a good player, but he’s more a Guhle type- great two way horse.

I know it’s your opinion and I’m giving you mine. Mailloux had trouble against OHL teams playing the trap, so the vision to me isn’t even better. Reinbacher scans the ice quicker and makes smarter plays whereas Mailloux thinks he can just outskill teams.

The only offensive toolkit he has better than Reinbacher is his elite wrist/snap shot.

 

[Mrb1p]

Oh I know, it's just that I always have the bad, disinterested part of him in the back of my brain. I'm happy for him if he finally turn the switch on, as I said.

Ive seen him have the worse game of his life a few weeks ago (I don't remember the date, against SooI think.), so it's not like he's scott free since the coaching change.

 

[NomadSports94]

I’m giving you my opinion. You are talking consensus. Mailloux is bigger, more skilled, more vision, just the better offensive toolkit.

I do think Reinbacher will be a good player, but he’s more a Guhle type- great two way horse.

Mailloux is 6'3, 205 at 20 and Reinbacher is 6'2, 190 at 17. He isn't more skilled other than having an absolute cannon of a shot, his vision is lacking compared to Reinbacher and Reinbacher is the superior passer

 

[Mrb1p]

Mailloux>Reinbacher

No.

Just the fact youre suggesting this tells me you haven't watched Reinbacher, and most likely Mailloux lol.

Lets not start inventing dumb takes on a hunch, please.

If we’re talking “upside”, which this board is obsessed with, then yes.

Still no. Reinbacher has tools as good as Mailloux and he combines this with heaps more of IQ and physicality.

Really though, pick up a game of Reinbacher, you'll fall in love, it's impossible not to.

Also Guhle has more talent than Mailloux, I think that should be evident.

Mailloux is 6'3, 205 at 20 and Reinbacher is 6'2, 190 at 17. He isn't more skilled other than having an absolute cannon of a shot, his vision is lacking compared to Reinbacher and Reinbacher is the superior passer

Reinbacher also has a cannon, both wrister and slapper.

 

[NomadSports94]

No.

Just the fact youre suggesting this tells me you haven't watched Reinbacher, and most likely Mailloux lol.

Lets not start inventing dumb takes on a hunch, please.

Still no. Reinbacher has tools as good as Mailloux and he combines this with heaps more of IQ and physicality.

Really though, pick up a game of Reinbacher, you'll fall in love, it's impossible not to.

Also Guhle has more talent than Mailloux, I think that should be evident.


Reinbacher also has a cannon, both wrister and slapper.

Oh i think Reinbacher has a great shot. But in terms of arguing about whos the better player, the only thing Mailloux does better is he shoots harder.

 

[Mrb1p]

Oh i think Reinbacher has a great shot. But in terms of arguing about whos the better player, the only thing Mailloux does better is he shoots harder.

Mailloux probably shoots harder than almost everyone in the NHL, if were honest. At some point there's no real difference, if your shot is elite it's elite.

 

[JT3]

1. Bedard - No brainer. I'd make a mess of my pants if we win the lotto.
2. Fantilli/Carlsson - Honestly I haven't decided which one I like more yet. They both have their strengths.
4. Michkov - This is the point for me where I don't pass on the talent. I think that would be a mistake in the long run.
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5. Benson/Reinbacher - Another spot I haven't quite worked out who I like more. I see a lot of Marner in Benson, maybe not quite as spectacular offensively but that's my favorite comparable. Reinbacher I'm a huge fan of and he has risen consistently for me all year. I think he is a potential top pair RD and there is a ton of value in drafting that because it will be borderline impossible to get it otherwise.
7. Smith - The offensive game is tantalizing but I think his flaws don't quite make up the gap between him and the two above for me. Still would be excited if we took him.
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8. Leonard/Dvorsky/Barlow - Again, still working out how I would rank these 3 but they are the definite next 3 for me. I love Leonard's all around game and he would fit on the wing like a glove for us. Same goes for Barlow, I know some don't like him but he's a guy along with Leonard that would look great next to either Suzuki or Dach. Dvorsky I'm really really intrigued to see at the u18s. Some around here definitely pegging him as a two-way 2c but his dominance of his peers tells me he can be more than that. U18s will be really important for evaluating these three.

 

[NomadSports94]

Mailloux probably shoots harder than almost everyone in the NHL, if were honest. At some point there's no real difference, if your shot is elite it's elite.

Reinbacher has actual top pairing 25 minutes a night type potential, he reminds me a lot of Seider really

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

No.

Just the fact youre suggesting this tells me you haven't watched Reinbacher, and most likely Mailloux lol.

Lets not start inventing dumb takes on a hunch, please.

Still no. Reinbacher has tools as good as Mailloux and he combines this with heaps more of IQ and physicality.

Really though, pick up a game of Reinbacher, you'll fall in love, it's impossible not to.

Also Guhle has more talent than Mailloux, I think that should be evident.


Reinbacher also has a cannon, both wrister and slapper.

I’m talking upside. They are different players for sure, the comp imo is Guhle who’s a great two way horse.

 

[JT3]

I’m talking upside. They are different players for sure, the comp imo is Guhle who’s a great two way horse.

Guhle is not a bad comp but I think Reinbacher has higher offensive upside than Guhle does.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

This footage is certainly interesting

Yeah, definitely not good. Zero willingness to engage anywhere on the ice. Doesn't even really try to get the puck from anyone.

The thing with NTDP players is that they essentially play their whole season as exhibition, so yeah, work ethic & care varies game to game.

With them, I do value u18 tournaments, as those aren't exhibition. You want to see the competitive spirit come out.

The u18 championship is what the NTDP builds up to for their year. It's their season finals.

Let's see, how things go.

 

[Playmaker09]

Yeah, definitely not good. Zero willingness to engage anywhere on the ice. Doesn't even really try to get the puck from anyone.

The thing with NTDP players is that they essentially play their whole season as exhibition, so yeah, work ethic & care varies game to game.

With them, I do value u18 tournaments, as those aren't exhibition. You want to see the competitive spirit come out.

The u18 championship is what the NTDP builds up to for their year. It's their season finals.

Let's see, how things go.

The issue is their division is going to be a cakewalk, so you won't see anything until the medal rounds. And then how much stock arre you going to put into 1 or 2 games?

I don't think my opinion on any NTDP player is likely to change over this U18.

The Canada/Sweden/Czech/Slovakia division will be much more interesting to watch.

 

[Mrb1p]

I’m talking upside. They are different players for sure, the comp imo is Guhle who’s a great two way horse.

Guhle and Reinbacher both have top 15 D upside. Mailloux has Petry upside.

Yeah, definitely not good. Zero willingness to engage anywhere on the ice. Doesn't even really try to get the puck from anyone.

The thing with NTDP players is that they essentially play their whole season as exhibition, so yeah, work ethic & care varies game to game.

With them, I do value u18 tournaments, as those aren't exhibition. You want to see the competitive spirit come out.

The u18 championship is what the NTDP builds up to for their year. It's their season finals.

Let's see, how things go.

Yeah, on one hand I like the NTDP, but Im also starting to see some drawbacks.

Ive seen a lot of globe trotterism this year and last with Smith and Cooley just holding onto the puck for 2 minutes and finally breaking down a defense. While yeah, offensive expression is important, I dont know if too much of a good thing is useful. Mind you, same thing happens in junior too.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Guhle and Reinbacher could be such an awesome pairing.

 

[NomadSports94]

Guhle and Reinbacher both have top 15 D upside. Mailloux has Petry upside.


Yeah, on one hand I like the NTDP, but Im also starting to see some drawbacks.

Ive seen a lot of globe trotterism this year and last with Smith and Cooley just holding onto the puck for 2 minutes and finally breaking down a defense. While yeah, offensive expression is important, I dont know if too much of a good thing is useful. Mind you, same thing happens in junior too.

The NTDP is so stacked every single season that the higher end guys like Smith, Moore, and Leonard just absolutely make a joke of games and it just doesnt go well. I cannot wait to see how all 3 do next season in Division 1

Guhle and Reinbacher could be such an awesome pairing.

That pairing would be disgusting

 

[Mrb1p]

Guhle and Reinbacher could be such an awesome pairing.

A better Ekholm-Subban or what? Two big boys that can bang and put it in whenever they feel like it. Sounds like problems.

Honestly thats the kind of defining roster building that could change things and allow the Habs to necessarily not have that top 15 offensive forward and still be very successful, just like Nashville a few years back.

 

[NomadSports94]

A better Ekholm-Subban or what? Two big boys that can bang and put it in whenever they feel like it. Sounds like problems.

Honestly, if development went right, they would be one of the top pairings in the NHL

 

[NotProkofievian]

A better Ekholm-Subban or what? Two big boys that can bang and put it in whenever they feel like it. Sounds like problems.

Honestly thats the kind of defining roster building that could change things and allow the Habs to necessarily not have that top 15 offensive forward and still be very successful, just like Nashville a few years back.

Sky would be the limit IMO.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I like Hutson with Reinbacher and Guhle with Barron

 

[SwiftyHab]

No.

Just the fact youre suggesting this tells me you haven't watched Reinbacher, and most likely Mailloux lol.

Lets not start inventing dumb takes on a hunch, please.

Still no. Reinbacher has tools as good as Mailloux and he combines this with heaps more of IQ and physicality.

Really though, pick up a game of Reinbacher, you'll fall in love, it's impossible not to.

Also Guhle has more talent than Mailloux, I think that should be evident.


Reinbacher also has a cannon, both wrister and slapper.

Dammit you sonofabitch! I’m in!

 

[jfhabs]

Taking Reinbacher in front of Benson and Leonard is complete BS.

Yea, i’m certain Leonard will be something special for the team that pick him.

If they pick Benson and Leonard over Reinbacher, I won't be complaining. But I really don't think it's complete BS either.

However I don't hate the (old) concept of building a team from the net out. I think the defense and transition play if they key to success in todays NHL. Of course, you need talented forwards, but the defenseman will make them look better or worse and dictate the possession more then forwards in my opinion.

All in all, just take BPA, even if that means picking a LHD (hopefully not hapenning with the ones available this year).

Maillouxs tools are way better

Reinbacher toolbox is on another level

 

[jfhabs]

1. Bedard - No brainer. I'd make a mess of my pants if we win the lotto.
2. Fantilli/Carlsson - Honestly I haven't decided which one I like more yet. They both have their strengths.
4. Michkov - This is the point for me where I don't pass on the talent. I think that would be a mistake in the long run.
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5. Benson/Reinbacher - Another spot I haven't quite worked out who I like more. I see a lot of Marner in Benson, maybe not quite as spectacular offensively but that's my favorite comparable. Reinbacher I'm a huge fan of and he has risen consistently for me all year. I think he is a potential top pair RD and there is a ton of value in drafting that because it will be borderline impossible to get it otherwise.
7. Smith - The offensive game is tantalizing but I think his flaws don't quite make up the gap between him and the two above for me. Still would be excited if we took him.
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8. Leonard/Dvorsky/Barlow - Again, still working out how I would rank these 3 but they are the definite next 3 for me. I love Leonard's all around game and he would fit on the wing like a glove for us. Same goes for Barlow, I know some don't like him but he's a guy along with Leonard that would look great next to either Suzuki or Dach. Dvorsky I'm really really intrigued to see at the u18s. Some around here definitely pegging him as a two-way 2c but his dominance of his peers tells me he can be more than that. U18s will be really important for evaluating these three.

I'd change Smith and Benson, but pretty spot on with how I see it as well.

 

[BoneHutson]

If FLAs pick ends up at 17th OA, Id like to to move up in the top 10. I feel like WAS would be a solid fit for that as they migh target a guy like But or Gulyalyev who might be available at 17th, need to liberate some salary (Mantha) and could use some extra picks.

Would something like 8th OA + Mantha (cap dump similar to Monahan) for 17th and 37th OA work?

That way we could potentialy get both Benson (at 5th OA) and Reinbacher (at 8th OA) if the draft goes like this :

1. CHI : Bedard
2. CLB : Fantilli
3. ANA : Carlsson
4. SJ : Michkov
5. MTL : Benson
6. ARZ : Smith
7. PHI : Leonard
8. MTL* : Reinbacher

Our D and F would be set imo. Now wed only need a young goalie (Askarov would be the dream).

 

[Vachon23]

I like Hutson with Reinbacher and Guhle with Barron

Same and we could use Guhle-Reinbacher to defend a lead in the last 5 minutes of a game

Would something like 8th OA + Mantha (cap dump similar to Monahan) for 17th and 37th OA work?

Not sure WSH would do it but I would