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Somebody needs to explain the Bryan Reynolds hype to me.

Complete f***ing just a guy from where I'm sitting.

He's a good ballplayer but so is Gleyber Torres. Would you trade, like, 2 of your top 5 prospects for Gleyber Torres?
 
Somebody needs to explain the Bryan Reynolds hype to me.

Complete f***ing just a guy from where I'm sitting.

He's a good ballplayer but so is Gleyber Torres. Would you trade, like, 2 of your top 5 prospects for Gleyber Torres?

He would not do the team any favors defensively. It’s all about offensive fit for the team. He hits for decent average (.280 career), gets on base (.360 career), ops (career .842), switch hitter (about equally effective both sides), cost-controlled and not UFA eligible for 3 more seasons.

I’m pretty tired of Anthony Rizzo being the only good left handed hitter on the team, and usually the only left handed hitter in the lineup. Pretty f***ing annoying actually, especially in a ballpark tailor-made for lefties.
 
So much fun playing with the Mets lineup card right now. Here is mine:

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
McNeil 2B
Alonso 1B
Lindor SS
Correa 3B
Cahna LF
Vogelbach DH
Nido C

Bench is an embarrassment of riches with some combination of Escobar, Guillorme, Baty, Vientos, Alvarez, Narvaez, and Ruf. Expectations will be very high this season.
I suspect Escobar gets traded.
 
Somebody needs to explain the Bryan Reynolds hype to me.

Complete f***ing just a guy from where I'm sitting.

He's a good ballplayer but so is Gleyber Torres. Would you trade, like, 2 of your top 5 prospects for Gleyber Torres?
The Pirates f***ed up by not moving him after the 2021 season. He was playing as a top 5 CF in baseball. I don't know if he was dealing with an injury last season, but his defense was stellar in 2021 and awful last season.

All that being said, he'd be the Yankees 3rd best bat based on last season (DJ a close 4th). He wouldn't be in CF for the Yankees since Bader is one of the best in the game defensively there. So he'd be asked to play LF, which in Yankees stadium, you want someone that is a good fielder with all the ground you need to cover.

Something I've always wondered about baseball is the OF alignment shouldn't always be permanent. Some stadiums have more difficult LF, some are more difficult in RF. Putting your best defender in the tougher side of the field always made sense to me. Judge already got paid, so put him in LF at home and RF in tougher stadiums (like Fenway).

Also with Reynolds, you get a switch hitter that has a career .281 average from both sides of the plate, but more power as a LHH. I'm not giving up two top 5 prospects to get him, but you'd have control for a decent amount of time, so it increases his value.
 
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The Pirates f***ed up by not moving him after the 2021 season. He was playing as a top 5 CF in baseball. I don't know if he was dealing with an injury last season, but his defense was stellar in 2021 and awful last season.

All that being said, he'd be the Yankees 3rd best bat based on last season (DJ a close 4th). He wouldn't be in CF for the Yankees since Bader is one of the best in the game defensively there. So he'd be asked to play LF, which in Yankees stadium, you want someone that is a good fielder with all the ground you need to cover.

Something I've always wondered about baseball is the OF alignment shouldn't always be permanent. Some stadiums have more difficult LF, some are more difficult in RF. Putting your best defender in the tougher side of the field always made sense to me. Judge already got paid, so put him in LF at home and RF in tougher stadiums (like Fenway).

Also with Reynolds, you get a switch hitter that has a career .281 average from both sides of the plate, but more power as a LHH. I'm not giving up two top 5 prospects to get him, but you'd have control for a decent amount of time, so it increases his value.
I'm not saying don't get him or that it would be the worst thing in the world, but people are discussing Volpe and Dominguez as a return.

You don't trade that for a 3 WAR player.
 
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I'm not saying don't get him or that it would be the worst thing in the world, but people are discussing Volpe and Dominguez as a return.

You don't trade that for a 3 WAR player.
Yeah. Cashman is clearly all in with Volpe and Dominguez. I think there have been far better players than Reynolds that Cashman has already turned down trading either of those guys for. I mean, the shortstop market has been insane two years in a row. Cashman didn’t bother. That tells you all you really need to know that he thinks either Volpe or Peraza are going to be a stud at the position, and he’ll wait to see how it plays out.
 
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I'm not saying don't get him or that it would be the worst thing in the world, but people are discussing Volpe and Dominguez as a return.

You don't trade that for a 3 WAR player.
I wouldn't give up one top 5 prospect to make this move, nonetheless two of them. Someone like Luis Gil is where I would go, so a top 10 guy.
 
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Yeah. Cashman is clearly all in with Volpe and Dominguez. I think there have been far better players than Reynolds that Cashman has already turned down trading either of those guys for. I mean, the shortstop market has been insane two years in a row. Cashman didn’t bother. That tells you all you really need to know that he thinks either Volpe or Peraza are going to be a stud at the position, and he’ll wait to see how it plays out.
You would think he is, but we've heard that song and dance before and then the guy sits in the minors until he's 25.

So, yes, I do understand that side of the argument.
 
You would think he is, but we've heard that song and dance before and then the guy sits in the minors until he's 25.

So, yes, I do understand that side of the argument.

Well in the case of those 2, they literally weren't major league ready at any point last year.

The arb clock is going to be an asshole this year if Volpe rakes in AAA though. I doubt he makes it out of camp and there is no way Cashman calls him up before he can ensure that he doesn't burn that extra year of control.

Hes the one guy I'm confident that they're all in on. Peraza and Dominguez? Less so (though they should probably hold onto Dominguez a bit longer to see if he continues to smash everything.)
 
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"Pete Rose would have been a first ballot HoFer". - This is true when he retired. Before metrics we were mindless cavemen, me included. "He's got 500 homers or 3K hits, he's in". Today with his .409 SLG% and 3.6 WAR/162 I'm not sure if he goes first ballot. The average HoF LFer has a 4.8 WAR/162 and look at the Bad Company (great band) he's keeping above.

"Bonds was a HoFer before he cheated". - Who makes this crap up? He had 176 dingers and was averaging 25 homers a season.

"Clemens should not be a HoFer, because he cheated". - Pitching is technique, not strength. "Steroids can make it more difficult for pitchers to throw the ball. They keep the blood vessels in the tissues from breaking down after throwing around 90 pitches per game". December 6, 2022, https://tbonesbaseball.com/the-battle-against-steroids-in-major-league-baseball/ He's a pitcher who's 8th all time in bWAR ahead of truly elite hitters such as Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Stan "The Man" Musial, and Rogers Hornsby.
 
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Something I've always wondered about baseball is the OF alignment shouldn't always be permanent. Some stadiums have more difficult LF, some are more difficult in RF. Putting your best defender in the tougher side of the field always made sense to me. Judge already got paid, so put him in LF at home and RF in tougher stadiums (like Fenway).
I remember reading this was part of the Mets' idea with Nimmo in CF and Marte in RF. They recognized Marte was the better fielder and also that RF at Citi was the most difficult section to play, so they thought they'd be maximizing coverage with Nimmo in CF and Marte in RF. And so far it has worked out well for them.
 
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I remember reading this was part of the Mets' idea with Nimmo in CF and Marte in RF. They recognized Marte was the better fielder and also that RF at Citi was the most difficult section to play, so they thought they'd be maximizing coverage with Nimmo in CF and Marte in RF. And so far it has worked out well for them.
The only thing was that there was no switch when it came to road games. Like I'd rather have Marte in LF and Nimmo in CF at a game in Yankees stadium and have Canha or whoever fill in at RF. Better example may be Philly for them, where CF is clearly the more difficult of the positions, there was no switch.

I think that might be the next wave of analytics that hits the sport. Same would be for the infield. Without a shift, would you want to flip your SS and 2nd baseman for a batter based on handedness. I know there was that one game where the Mets flipped d'Arnoud from 2nd to 3rd with Cabrera based on who was batting, but that was because he was a catcher.
 
The only thing was that there was no switch when it came to road games. Like I'd rather have Marte in LF and Nimmo in CF at a game in Yankees stadium and have Canha or whoever fill in at RF. Better example may be Philly for them, where CF is clearly the more difficult of the positions, there was no switch.

I think that might be the next wave of analytics that hits the sport. Same would be for the infield. Without a shift, would you want to flip your SS and 2nd baseman for a batter based on handedness. I know there was that one game where the Mets flipped d'Arnoud from 2nd to 3rd with Cabrera based on who was batting, but that was because he was a catcher.
Yeah the fact that they kept that alignment on the road did kind of diminish the logic. Although, I think other than the stadiums with the cookie-cutter outfields, playing a corner is probably at least equally as difficult as playing CF. I think if you have decent range and get a decent first step, you can play an adequate center; playing in a corner you need a lot more "feel" for where you are and I think better instincts, more so than just pure speed and quick-twitch ability. I know the consensus has always been you want your best guy in center, but unless it's somewhere huge like Coors or crazy like Fenway, I'm not sure that's right.

The SS/2B thing is interesting. If you had two guys who could handle the positions equally I think it would be really cool. There's different footwork required for both positions, obviously, so I'm not sure everyone would be able to pull it off without seeing some sort of drop in overall ability, but if you had two guys who could really do it, it could be an advantage.
 
"Pete Rose would have been a first ballot HoFer". - This is true when he retired. Before metrics we were mindless cavemen, me included. "He's got 500 homers or 3K hits, he's in". Today with his .409 SLG% and 3.6 WAR/162 I'm not sure if he goes first ballot. The average HoF LFer has a 4.8 WAR/162 and look at the Bad Company (great band) he's keeping above.

"Bonds was a HoFer before he cheated". - Who makes this crap up? He had 176 dingers and was averaging 25 homers a season.

"Clemens should not be a HoFer, because he cheated". - Pitching is technique, not strength. "Steroids can make it more difficult for pitchers to throw the ball. They keep the blood vessels in the tissues from breaking down after throwing around 90 pitches per game". December 6, 2022, https://tbonesbaseball.com/the-battle-against-steroids-in-major-league-baseball/ He's a pitcher who's 8th all time in bWAR ahead of truly elite hitters such as Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Stan "The Man" Musial, and Rogers Hornsby.

???

Bonds was at 400+ homers before the 1999 season (when most people think he started and he was averaging like 35+ homers a year the 10 years prior to that.

He was 100000000% going to get into the hall of fame if he didn't juice. He won the MVP 3 times before any of the juice stuff was even suspected. Dude was as much of a lock as you're going to get.

He doesn't end his career with the legendary stats that he has with out the use of PEDs, but he was a lock for the hall.

Even with roids, he should be in, especially since they've already enshrined people who have failed a drug test (Ortiz.)
 
Even with roids, he should be in, especially since they've already enshrined people who have failed a drug test (Ortiz.)
This is what really gets me. I'm the purist who doesn't think cheaters like Bonds and Clemens belong in the hall and then Ortiz gets in first ballot despite being a DH and a cheater.
 
This is what really gets me. I'm the purist who doesn't think cheaters like Bonds and Clemens belong in the hall and then Ortiz gets in first ballot despite being a DH and a cheater.

Yup.

Not to mention someone like Piazza had to wait a few ballots to get in because of suspicion of use.
 
obviously behind the athletics paywall but for those looking for a laugh read the comments if you can


my favorite is an executive saying its not collusion but weve had a "verbal understanding" to not pay more then 300 mil for players.....my dude thats collusion
 
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