GDT: 2023-24 season Western Conference Quarter Finals LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers Game 1

Who wins the series

  • Oilers in 4

    Votes: 25 23.8%
  • Oilers in 5

    Votes: 47 44.8%
  • Oilers in 6

    Votes: 15 14.3%
  • Oilers in 7

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Kings in 4

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Kings in 5

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Kings in 6

    Votes: 8 7.6%
  • Kings in 7

    Votes: 6 5.7%

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SettlementRichie10

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I noticed that too, early as well. Kopitar is saint!!!

Honestly though LA should be doing that to McJesus. What's the point of having a tough #6D if he does not play like one?

IN 2022 LA D was so banged up the team found a way to be up 3-2 in the series. McDavid took over in games 6/7.

In 2023 LA never rebounded after being blowing a 3 goal lead in game 5 that would have put LA up 3-2. LA lost in 6.

This year LA is worse than 2023 IMO, and Edmonton is much deeper. Would be shocked if LA made it to game 6.

The Kings were up 3-0 in game four in 2023. They would have gone up 3-1 with a stranglehold on the series. They were better than Edmonton for the entire first half of that series but blew game four and collapsed. Todd McLellan special.
 

BigKing

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I fully agree. I don't like defending PLD but both his penalties were junk. Leon looked off balance and on his way down on the second one. PLD did look good for most of the first, than once the game was out of hand he turned back into what we've seen all year.

I thought doughty had a really rough first 40. That first hyman goal he went down for the block before Hyman had the puck and ended up blocking Talbot as much as Hyman. Just play the firggin man.
Top pairing was abysmal.

PLD could have been called for holding earlier in the shift that he got the interference penalty against McDavid.

Little thing in front of the net with Kopitar was nothing. PLD came from out of nowhere and legit laid a body check on McDavid from behind so, yeah, it was interference.

It would be one thing if PLD was just a big dumb idiot that tried hard but he doesn't try hard and is a complete rocks for brains out there.
 

tny760

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Top pairing was abysmal.

PLD could have been called for holding earlier in the shift that he got the interference penalty against McDavid.

Little thing in front of the net with Kopitar was nothing. PLD came from out of nowhere and legit laid a body check on McDavid from behind so, yeah, it was interference.

It would be one thing if PLD was just a big dumb idiot that tried hard but he doesn't try hard and is a complete rocks for brains out there.
i'm at an absolute loss for what any executive has ever seen in PLD aside from "big"

like maybe you just set it all aside and create a PP merchant out of him, but seriously wtf? $8.5M? while being THIS sheltered?
 
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Schmooley

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Hey fellas I was pretty drunk watching that shit show last night. I just looked and the Kings had 65 hits last night? I don’t remember them being very physical. Did miss something?
Yea didnt seem like it but maybe a lot was behind the camera. They finished their checks a second after an Oiler had already made their outlet pass. Mostly passes connected with no one in lanes. Inconsequential really like late career Clifford type physicality where it just pulls you a step out of the play going the other way.
In parts of the game that really mattered they rolled out the red carpet for Mcdavid Draisaitl and Hyman and gave them any ice and space they desired.
 
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FeartheFur

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I do remember MCDavid had waaay to much time to do whatever he wanted to. It might cause a war but they have to hit him.
 

Choralone

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They also thought Arvidsdon dove on that leg-lock trip. Typical, "my team never does anything wrong, whereas the other team is literally the Devil" fans. Even had at least one fan coming over to our board to police how we viewed penalties being called (mods took out the trash).
 

johnjm22

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Some pre-draft scouting report blurbs on PLD:

The Draft Analyst:
Dubois, who plays center with aplomb, can be used in all situations regardless of how much time is on the clock, or what the scoreboard reads. He wins draws cleanly then positions himself properly immediately thereafter. Dubois does so many things exceptionally well, and playing with menace and snarl evokes memories of hockey’s heroic warriors of the 1960’s or 1970’s. A real leader with elite offensive skills and off-the-charts intangibles, Dubois comes across as the perfect specimen who we feel is less than a year away from the rigors of the NHL. Being a gym rat does have its drawbacks, however, as he seems to forget how strong he is. Dubois shows an occasional lack of discipline and has to learn how to play within the rules.

The Hockey Writers:
The career as a hockey player requires long hours of physical training, long and intensive development of specialized ,and perhaps even more importantly the vow and the mental commitment to do what is necessary to develop the body and the skillset of a hockey player. Marc-Andre Dumont, the Coach of Pierre-Luc Dubois, says that Pierre-Luc is the most professional junior player that he has ever seen. You can see the professionalism in his game. He is high-end in just about everything he does – at all parts of the ice. He can be that impact power forward on offense that can make things happen. He also can be that shutdown guy on defense to keep you in the game. The BMO CHL/NHL Top Prospects is a good example of why Pierre-Luc Dubois is just a pro and can be such a dominant force on the ice.

Elite Prospects:
A phenomenal two-way power forward who thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce.

A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward who excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)
 

kingsfan28

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Absolutely idiotic PK strategy against the Oilers, giving up that goal line. f***in' idiotic.

Power play is equally dumb. Why are the Kings waiting to pass on the power play when the Oilers are playing absolutely aggressive towards the puck carrier? Spending all that time, letting the defender skate up to you, thinking about what you're going to do and then passing. Since the Kings love passing and not shooting, they should at least one touch pass everything before the defender is even halfway there. At least the Oilers will be equally confused as the Kings on where the pucks going.

Gav may have played his worst game as a King. Left the backside post open on two of the pp goals. It was so easy, ever RNH was surprised he scored. Guys were puck watching all night, especially on the pk.
 

fsanford

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Some pre-draft scouting report blurbs on PLD:

The Draft Analyst:
Dubois, who plays center with aplomb, can be used in all situations regardless of how much time is on the clock, or what the scoreboard reads. He wins draws cleanly then positions himself properly immediately thereafter. Dubois does so many things exceptionally well, and playing with menace and snarl evokes memories of hockey’s heroic warriors of the 1960’s or 1970’s. A real leader with elite offensive skills and off-the-charts intangibles, Dubois comes across as the perfect specimen who we feel is less than a year away from the rigors of the NHL. Being a gym rat does have its drawbacks, however, as he seems to forget how strong he is. Dubois shows an occasional lack of discipline and has to learn how to play within the rules.

The Hockey Writers:
The career as a hockey player requires long hours of physical training, long and intensive development of specialized ,and perhaps even more importantly the vow and the mental commitment to do what is necessary to develop the body and the skillset of a hockey player. Marc-Andre Dumont, the Coach of Pierre-Luc Dubois, says that Pierre-Luc is the most professional junior player that he has ever seen. You can see the professionalism in his game. He is high-end in just about everything he does – at all parts of the ice. He can be that impact power forward on offense that can make things happen. He also can be that shutdown guy on defense to keep you in the game. The BMO CHL/NHL Top Prospects is a good example of why Pierre-Luc Dubois is just a pro and can be such a dominant force on the ice.

Elite Prospects:
A phenomenal two-way power forward who thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce.

A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward who excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)
Next year ,I think, you gotta put him on the top line. He will either sink or swim. If they trot out Kopi again on the top line you need to just buyout Dubois

One of the blurbs above on talked about intangibles. A synonym for intangible is insubstantial which (to paraphrase) means lacking substance.

Maybe Kings can hire Marc Andre Dumont in some capacity. I am only half kidding about this :)


Thanks for the good reads 👍
 
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Reaper45

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Some pre-draft scouting report blurbs on PLD:

The Draft Analyst:
Dubois, who plays center with aplomb, can be used in all situations regardless of how much time is on the clock, or what the scoreboard reads. He wins draws cleanly then positions himself properly immediately thereafter. Dubois does so many things exceptionally well, and playing with menace and snarl evokes memories of hockey’s heroic warriors of the 1960’s or 1970’s. A real leader with elite offensive skills and off-the-charts intangibles, Dubois comes across as the perfect specimen who we feel is less than a year away from the rigors of the NHL. Being a gym rat does have its drawbacks, however, as he seems to forget how strong he is. Dubois shows an occasional lack of discipline and has to learn how to play within the rules.

The Hockey Writers:
The career as a hockey player requires long hours of physical training, long and intensive development of specialized ,and perhaps even more importantly the vow and the mental commitment to do what is necessary to develop the body and the skillset of a hockey player. Marc-Andre Dumont, the Coach of Pierre-Luc Dubois, says that Pierre-Luc is the most professional junior player that he has ever seen. You can see the professionalism in his game. He is high-end in just about everything he does – at all parts of the ice. He can be that impact power forward on offense that can make things happen. He also can be that shutdown guy on defense to keep you in the game. The BMO CHL/NHL Top Prospects is a good example of why Pierre-Luc Dubois is just a pro and can be such a dominant force on the ice.

Elite Prospects:
A phenomenal two-way power forward who thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce.

A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward who excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)
Damn what happened to him then?
 

lumbergh

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Hey fellas I was pretty drunk watching that shit show last night. I just looked and the Kings had 65 hits last night? I don’t remember them being very physical. Did miss something?
You see a lot of teams try to step up the physicality after they go down by 3 or 4. You know you can't win, so leave a few bruises for the next game. Maybe start the game with physicality next time?
 

SettlementRichie10

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Some pre-draft scouting report blurbs on PLD:

The Draft Analyst:
Dubois, who plays center with aplomb, can be used in all situations regardless of how much time is on the clock, or what the scoreboard reads. He wins draws cleanly then positions himself properly immediately thereafter. Dubois does so many things exceptionally well, and playing with menace and snarl evokes memories of hockey’s heroic warriors of the 1960’s or 1970’s. A real leader with elite offensive skills and off-the-charts intangibles, Dubois comes across as the perfect specimen who we feel is less than a year away from the rigors of the NHL. Being a gym rat does have its drawbacks, however, as he seems to forget how strong he is. Dubois shows an occasional lack of discipline and has to learn how to play within the rules.

The Hockey Writers:
The career as a hockey player requires long hours of physical training, long and intensive development of specialized ,and perhaps even more importantly the vow and the mental commitment to do what is necessary to develop the body and the skillset of a hockey player. Marc-Andre Dumont, the Coach of Pierre-Luc Dubois, says that Pierre-Luc is the most professional junior player that he has ever seen. You can see the professionalism in his game. He is high-end in just about everything he does – at all parts of the ice. He can be that impact power forward on offense that can make things happen. He also can be that shutdown guy on defense to keep you in the game. The BMO CHL/NHL Top Prospects is a good example of why Pierre-Luc Dubois is just a pro and can be such a dominant force on the ice.

Elite Prospects:
A phenomenal two-way power forward who thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce.

A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward who excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)

You just know Blake and co. read this and convinced themselves they were getting this player despite all current evidence to the contrary.
 

King'sPawn

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Damn what happened to him then?
I obviously don't know him personally, but he strikes me as a very mild-mannered personality. And his first NHL head coach was Tortorella.

Probably took a lot of fun out of hockey where it was easier for him before.

Not excusing it at all and still not a fan of the player, but it's not been a good environment for someone who seems as soft-spoken as he.

Even though we joke about the gold star system, I do think that is an interesting way and attempt at bringing someone back up when yelling is not producing results. And albeit very little, he's had more bouts of effort with that approach.
 

Raccoon Jesus

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The wild thing is, by all accounts, he's a very nice likeable guy

That probably makes it HARDER on his teammates--he's not a stereotypical 'locker room cancer' because he's a good personality, but he's an issue because of his hype vs. play vs. effort. If he was just a dick it would be like 'fine jettison this asshole'
 
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