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OrrNumber4 said:
I wanted to bring attention to this interview of this perspicacious young man:

Were he covering a team like the Maple Leafs or the Canadiens, he'd have 50x the attention, no doubt
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Yea I watched his videos sometimes. Definitely a better listen than something like Locked on Sharks.

OrrNumber4 said:
I was searching for an adjective that didn't seem condescending or hyperbolic and settled on perspicacious.
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Patty Ice said:
Yea I watched his videos sometimes. Definitely a better listen than something like Locked on Sharks.



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I like him too. I do wish he'd ditch the 'class is now in session', but he has a pretty thoughtful perspective, and it fits the persona he created. Ultimately, it contributes to being more memorable, which likely drives subscriptions (which drives content I benefit from), so I get it. It'll be fun to watch him grow and improve.

Spot on with locked on. Feels like state sponsored media which tells me what to think. All the locked on team podcasts kind of sound the same to me (and I do mean beyond the ad scripts), so maybe that's part of it. Teal Town can be amusing occasionally, but I wouldn't seek it out. The one I don't get is the hockey guy- it's just reading lines and puckpedia information- league wide, but I haven't seen any analysis.

Sheng and Keegan remain in a class of their own .
 
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matt trick said:
I like him too. I do wish he'd ditch the 'class is now in session', but he has a pretty thoughtful perspective, and it fits the persona he created. Ultimately, it contributes to being more memorable, which likely drives subscriptions (which drives content I benefit from), so I get it. It'll be fun to watch him grow and improve.

Spot on with locked on. Feels like state sponsored media which tells me what to think. All the locked on team podcasts kind of sound the same to me (and I do mean beyond the ad scripts), so maybe that's part of it. Teal Town can be amusing occasionally, but I wouldn't seek it out. The one I don't get is the hockey guy- it's just reading lines and puckpedia information- league wide, but I haven't seen any analysis.

Sheng and Keegan remain in a class of their own .
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A little ironic when Sheng literally is hired by the Sharks broadcasters, and his coverage clearly changed from independent analysis to who do the Sharks want me to praise this week?

I can't wait for the next feature on how Goodrow is actually really good and every scout says so.
 
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NiWa said:
@Kcoyote3 you guys should consider inviting him some time. He'd be great for end of season analysis.

And @Hobocop could be a fun guest if you do a Barracuda themed one.
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I'm sure that'd be a treat for anyone listening.

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Anomie2029 said:
A little ironic when Sheng literally is hired by the Sharks broadcasters, and his coverage clearly changed from independent analysis to who do the Sharks want me to praise this week?

I can't wait for the next feature on how Goodrow is actually really good and every scout says so.
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But Sheng isn't "hired" by the Sharks broadcasters? He's occasionally paid for a feature article by NBC Sports, so those articles may be more favorable as a handshake agreement with Sharks org, but Sheng is absolutely independent and I am really surprised at this new strand of anti-Sheng convo. Have seen multiple people denegrate him as some milquetoast mouthpiece when he's often highly critical of the team.

Brodie is the mouthpiece, being a direct employee of the org.

The negativity just really seems over the top.
 
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coooldude said:
But Sheng isn't "hired" by the Sharks broadcasters? He's occasionally paid for a feature article by NBC Sports, so those articles may be more favorable as a handshake agreement with Sharks org, but Sheng is absolutely independent and I am really surprised at this new strand of anti-Sheng convo. Have seen multiple people denegrate him as some milquetoast mouthpiece when he's often highly critical of the team.

Brodie is the mouthpiece, being a direct employee of the org.

The negativity just really seems over the top.
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Sheng is paid by the number of times he says "Um" during the podcast.... :sarcasm:
 
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coooldude said:
But Sheng isn't "hired" by the Sharks broadcasters? He's occasionally paid for a feature article by NBC Sports, so those articles may be more favorable as a handshake agreement with Sharks org, but Sheng is absolutely independent and I am really surprised at this new strand of anti-Sheng convo. Have seen multiple people denegrate him as some milquetoast mouthpiece when he's often highly critical of the team.

Brodie is the mouthpiece, being a direct employee of the org.

The negativity just really seems over the top.
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I was a massive fan of Sheng and his work, but in the last couple of season (which just coincidentally coincided with his partnership with NBC Sports) has fallen off a cliff IMO. He isn't "often highly critical of the team" anymore. For example, even after the season he wrote pieces about how making a coaching change didn't make sense and Quinn should be given more opportunity - and then after he was fired, magically it was the right call to make.

It's also funny that when there is an uptick in fan criticism of Ferraro or Kunin, there seems to be an oddly timed article about how they're actually good because of this highly-specific microstat.

No one has ever relied on Brodie for in depth analysis and critique like we did with Sheng. That's why Sheng has copped it in the past year or so - because his writing changed.
 
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Anomie2029 said:
I was a massive fan of Sheng and his work, but in the last couple of season (which just coincidentally coincided with his partnership with NBC Sports) has fallen off a cliff IMO. He isn't "often highly critical of the team" anymore. For example, even after the season he wrote pieces about how making a coaching change didn't make sense and Quinn should be given more opportunity - and then after he was fired, magically it was the right call to make.

It's also funny that when there is an uptick in fan criticism of Ferraro or Kunin, there seems to be an oddly timed article about how they're actually good because of this highly-specific microstat.

No one has ever relied on Brodie for in depth analysis and critique like we did with Sheng. That's why Sheng has copped it in the past year or so - because his writing changed.
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I haven't seen the change to the extent you have. Every one of his game reviews in loss, his public statements on the podcast, all are critical of the Sharks being very very bad and a long way away from good. He often tempers fan excitement about draft picks. He has criticized Grier and asked hard questions to Warso.

What positivity he does show is trying to find silver linings and interest stories about player growth. And he happens to disagree with you and others who think that grinders are totally dog shit and worthless and writes articles about that - that doesn't mean he's some mouthpiece, it just means he sees the game differently than you do (or sometimes I do).

Sheng is an independent journalist - he gets paid by clicks and subs. There's only so many ways you can shit on a team and have people want to read it. People will actually read (and even get pissed off by) stories about how Graf, Thrun are developing, or whether Smith should or shouldn't be in the AHL and what scouts think about that.

At least he has a point of view. What articles I read by Pashelka are just very boilerplate, and Max Miller doesn't get nearly as deep. I just don't agree with you that he's a patsy just because he likes Kunin more than these boards or the average fan.
 
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coooldude said:
But Sheng isn't "hired" by the Sharks broadcasters? He's occasionally paid for a feature article by NBC Sports, so those articles may be more favorable as a handshake agreement with Sharks org, but Sheng is absolutely independent and I am really surprised at this new strand of anti-Sheng convo. Have seen multiple people denegrate him as some milquetoast mouthpiece when he's often highly critical of the team.

Brodie is the mouthpiece, being a direct employee of the org.

The negativity just really seems over the top.
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I'm not sure why anyone really cares about the content that Sheng puts out there. It's fine for what it is but his reach isn't going to be the difference between someone staying or being moved. Even if he was a complete Sharks org sycophant, there isn't any substantial action made because of it. If we were Montreal or New York where a writer may have some discernable affect on how the fan base makes their feelings known then I could see that but we're not. Our base is entirely passive and doesn't have a unifying voice of any sort.
 
“Sheng does not agree with me and is therefore a shill” is a real hot take.

I think the thing Sheng has repeatedly said was guys like Goodrow and a much higher extend, Kunin, are better right now than some of the guys we can bring up from the Barracuda, particularly in the role they’re playing. And that is, I believe, true. It’s not that they’re AMAZING players it’s that they’re better than what we have.

He regularly talks about how painful it is to watch the team and how much he’d like to watch real hockey again, I’m not sure that’s the words of a guy who gets “paid by the Sharks.”

I think Sheng is quite good and actively asks good questions/has interesting insights and I think we’re pretty lucky to have him in the Bay Area.
 
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If you look back at the Grandlund trade, and listen to how critical he was, it becomes obvious in my mind and that Sheng isn't some shill for the team. While I don't always agree with his opinions, or the rationale behind them, he's certainly not afraid to critique the team, or the management. And this is coming from somebody who often has a hard time listening to the podcast due to him consistently talking over Keegan and their guests.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
We know that not too long ago, Grier wanted a first-round-pick for Ferraro. I can't see why he would have backed off that demand.
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That would be ideal but if we can't get it I think targeting an established NHL center or RD who's younger than Ferraro might be the right play.
 
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